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Mos Pheric	Posted - 2008.11.26 20:38:00 - [1] Knowing your enemy fleet is composed primarily of Logistics ships, what would you compose your fleet of before hand?
StoreSlem Minmatar 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.11.26 20:40:00 - [2] falcons and curses.
Cpt Cosmic	Posted - 2008.11.26 21:00:00 - [3] Originally by: StoreSlem falcons and curses. this pretty much =D or domis
Mos Pheric	Posted - 2008.11.26 21:01:00 - [4] Domis to neut?
XFreedomX	Posted - 2008.11.26 21:27:00 - [5] Massive Alpha
Baka Lakadaka Gallente Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2008.11.26 21:31:00 - [6] ECM - if they can't remote rep, they're stuffed. ______________________ Isn't it time you learned to fight back? Agony Unleashed Home of the PvP University. Now Recruiting.
Needle Juice Caldari Stellar Crime Syndicate	Posted - 2008.11.26 23:13:00 - [7] lots of recons, mostly falcons
Tac Ginaz Gallente Coalition of Nations	Posted - 2008.11.26 23:30:00 - [8] If they're all nicely bunched together.. a few stealth bombers. a void bomb followed by a couple of damage bombs = dead logistic blob. ------------------------------------------------- Re-Design Stealth Bomber Weapons!
Won Ton Art of War Exalted.	Posted - 2008.11.26 23:37:00 - [9] ecm
Trellish Ten Ton Hammer Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2008.11.27 04:23:00 - [10] Edited by: Trellish on 27/11/2008 04:23:27 If you don't have enough ECM or neuts, just keep switching primaries. it's harder for them to keep up with switches than it is for you to make the switches in the first place. It will always take more time for them to bring their reppers fully to bear than it will for your fleet to bring DPS fully to bear. That's your opportunity for the kill. edit... specially since you don't need to be all that worried about the incoming dps
Lance Fighter Amarr	Posted - 2008.11.27 05:10:00 - [11] hope they mess up big time. Originally by: Akita T Seriously ? ...wow... I'm such a forum ho' !
Tronjay Caldari THE INSURGENCY DEFI4NT	Posted - 2008.11.27 10:31:00 - [12] Originally by: Needle Juice lots of recons, mostly falcons I would go for the Rook, it is able to dish a decent dps aswell.
Dihania Gallente SniggWaffe	Posted - 2008.11.27 12:13:00 - [13] You need any combination of ships that can break their chain. Logistic heavy compositions use a logistic chain, either cap, armor, etc. in order to sustain their life and damage longer than the opposing fleet, think of it like the "bleeder punisher". So if you want to kill such a fleet you need to simply break their chain. Either ECM, RSD (not likely these days), neutralizers, huge alfa strikes or well timed bumps can render such a fleet helpless. You should also divide and conquer. [hrhr] Sniggwaffe is recruiting. Visit channel "join sniggwaffe" in game.
Crellion Art of War Exalted.	Posted - 2008.11.27 13:50:00 - [14] Edited by: Crellion on 27/11/2008 13:50:56 As mentioned above ECM and Neuts > RR but for an extra lovey touch load a Scorp with 8 ECM Bursts and warp it on top of their fuzzball of love :D. Having said that TRUE logistics fleets dont need to be next to each other but someone has to DPS and RR BSs will almostalways figure hence the fuzzball of love Edit: Be warned RR BSs will always have 1 ECCM fitted barring cases where they have two :D Arguably my opinions represent to an extent the opinions of my alliance and in particular circumstances give rise to a valid "casus belli" claim.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Home 0f Bored Occultists	Posted - 2008.11.27 14:22:00 - [15] Ok so a very ecm heavy fleet counters rr fleets. What counters ecm heavy fleets then? ----------------------------------------- [Video] The Cruise
Norwood Franskly Minmatar Fleet of the Damned Dark Trinity Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.27 14:23:00 - [16] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Ok so a very ecm heavy fleet counters rr fleets. What counters ecm heavy fleets then? more ecm. Or blob
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Home 0f Bored Occultists	Posted - 2008.11.27 14:30:00 - [17] Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 27/11/2008 14:30:05 Originally by: Norwood Franskly Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Ok so a very ecm heavy fleet counters rr fleets. What counters ecm heavy fleets then? more ecm. Or blob So this means always fit an ecm heavy gang/fleet. ----------------------------------------- [Video] The Cruise
Dihania Gallente SniggWaffe	Posted - 2008.11.27 14:32:00 - [18] Edited by: Dihania on 27/11/2008 14:32:43 Originally by: Norwood Franskly Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Ok so a very ecm heavy fleet counters rr fleets. What counters ecm heavy fleets then? more ecm. Or blob less ecm (like bursts) coupled with rsds and neuts and if you want inties. or super drone heavy and less ecm. also if you come in super ecm heavy we will come in super super smart bomb heavy. [hrhr] Sniggwaffe is recruiting. Visit channel "join sniggwaffe" in game.
Norwood Franskly Minmatar Fleet of the Damned Dark Trinity Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.27 14:40:00 - [19] Originally by: Dihania Edited by: Dihania on 27/11/2008 14:32:43 Originally by: Norwood Franskly Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Ok so a very ecm heavy fleet counters rr fleets. What counters ecm heavy fleets then? more ecm. Or blob less ecm (like bursts) coupled with rsds and neuts and if you want inties. or super drone heavy and less ecm. also if you come in super ecm heavy we will come in super super smart bomb heavy. Thats assuming you know the enemies fleet composition in advance. There's also the lol FOF's option. ECCM is worth fitting too if you have a spare mid, with reduced web efficiency I'm tending to fit an eccm in place of the web on a few setups.
Rexthor Hammerfists Rage of Inferno	Posted - 2008.11.27 15:06:00 - [20] Most of all, ECM and damps. Then high alpha damage ships and alot of neuts as well. And remote rep yourself ;) - Boosters and PirateProfessions
SheriffFruitfly Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.28 05:37:00 - [21] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Ok so a very ecm heavy fleet counters rr fleets. What counters ecm heavy fleets then? Someone's never heard of rock-paper-scissors, it seems. Or knifey-spoony. :P
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Xi Tzu Amarr Relentless Storm Cartel	Posted - 2008.11.28 11:36:00 - [23] Originally by: Crellion Edited by: Crellion on 27/11/2008 13:50:56 As mentioned above ECM and Neuts > RR but for an extra lovey touch load a Scorp with 8 ECM Bursts and warp it on top of their fuzzball of love :D. Having said that TRUE logistics fleets dont need to be next to each other but someone has to DPS and RR BSs will almostalways figure hence the fuzzball of love Edit: Be warned RR BSs will always have 1 ECCM fitted barring cases where they have two :D unless something has changed last time i tried fitting multiple bursts i got a message saying i could only activate one at a time... tbh thought it made em rather pointless as i wanted to use the scorp as a flyby suicide fleet lockbreaker... would love to know if this has changed tho... and yes massive alpha combined with ecm or neuts... or both works well
Tozmeister Caldari Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2008.11.28 15:47:00 - [24] 2 or 3 DiscoPhoon with a staggered ECM burst. Fill remaining slots with nos/neut and armour tank. Several lachs/celestises slowing their locktimes down to make the bursts work to maximum effect. Sprinkle with rooks, curses and high alpha HAC's (munins and zealots) Just remember the smartbombs will kill your drones and missiles so hold them back till the logistics start dropping. +++????+++Out of Cheese Error. Redo From Start+++
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Home 0f Bored Occultists	Posted - 2008.11.28 16:53:00 - [25] Originally by: SheriffFruitfly Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Ok so a very ecm heavy fleet counters rr fleets. What counters ecm heavy fleets then? Someone's never heard of rock-paper-scissors, it seems. Or knifey-spoony. :P Uhm what? I'm trying to find the rock paper and scissors. rr fleet is rock, ecm fleet is paper and what might scissors be? Tell me. ----------------------------------------- [Video] The Cruise
Crellion Art of War Exalted.	Posted - 2008.11.28 17:39:00 - [26] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: SheriffFruitfly Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Ok so a very ecm heavy fleet counters rr fleets. What counters ecm heavy fleets then? Someone's never heard of rock-paper-scissors, it seems. Or knifey-spoony. :P Uhm what? I'm trying to find the rock paper and scissors. rr fleet is rock, ecm fleet is paper and what might scissors be? Tell me. I r the scissors fool...but these days I don't log in much... well other than whorum foring that is Arguably my opinions represent to an extent the opinions of my alliance and in particular circumstances give rise to a valid "casus belli" claim.
Tozmeister Caldari Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2008.11.28 18:01:00 - [27] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Uhm what? I'm trying to find the rock paper and scissors. rr fleet is rock, ecm fleet is paper and what might scissors be? Tell me. Ah, This would be the Lyria Stealth-Whine(tm) about falcons and ECM then would it? Perhaps Murina will join this thread so you two can renew your acquaintance? +++????+++Out of Cheese Error. Redo From Start+++
SheriffFruitfly Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.28 19:15:00 - [28] Originally by: Tozmeister Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Uhm what? I'm trying to find the rock paper and scissors. rr fleet is rock, ecm fleet is paper and what might scissors be? Tell me. Ah, This would be the Lyria Stealth-Whine(tm) about falcons and ECM then would it? Perhaps Murina will join this thread so you two can renew your acquaintance? Oooh - I didn't realize he was a falcon-whiner. My bad in even responding. __________________________________________________________
uzumoreru	Posted - 2008.11.29 00:24:00 - [29] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: SheriffFruitfly Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Ok so a very ecm heavy fleet counters rr fleets. What counters ecm heavy fleets then? Someone's never heard of rock-paper-scissors, it seems. Or knifey-spoony. :P Uhm what? I'm trying to find the rock paper and scissors. rr fleet is rock, ecm fleet is paper and what might scissors be? Tell me. Sniper fleet drop a RR blob on them and they melt, but drop them near an ecm blob, and they can wipe them out and then maintain range on the dps component while chewing them down.
steveid Killed In Action Zenith Affinity	Posted - 2008.11.29 19:44:00 - [30] the same way you kill a fleet of rr battleships. Have multiple primaries, split your offensive ships into several groups and switch primaries when needed.
Inertial The Suicide Kings True Reign	Posted - 2008.11.30 16:20:00 - [31] Edited by: Inertial on 30/11/2008 16:22:48 Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: SheriffFruitfly Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Ok so a very ecm heavy fleet counters rr fleets. What counters ecm heavy fleets then? Someone's never heard of rock-paper-scissors, it seems. Or knifey-spoony. :P Uhm what? I'm trying to find the rock paper and scissors. rr fleet is rock, ecm fleet is paper and what might scissors be? Tell me. Super Cap Fleet, obviously. I got a couple of motherships laying around, in case I encounter a ECM heavy force. Another alternative is the ULTIMA MEGA BLOB, but that only works assuming the enemy doesn't have sub commanders etc. we are recruiting!
Stitcher Caldari Duty.	Posted - 2008.11.30 18:41:00 - [32] Edited by: Stitcher on 30/11/2008 18:45:05 Amarr recons, mostly. Neut them all to hell and back, then unleash the BEES or, bring along something that can fire citadel torps. With enough webbing and painting going on, those things'll happily pop a logistics cruiser. - Captain Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain.
Funkcikle Gallente DEATHFUNK Doctrine.	Posted - 2008.12.01 03:48:00 - [33] is this a trick question ? I would ignore a fleet comprised of logistics ships what they gonna do Rep u to death ??
Dihania Gallente SniggWaffe	Posted - 2008.12.01 11:58:00 - [34] Originally by: Funkcikle is this a trick question ? I would ignore a fleet comprised of logistics ships what they gonna do Rep u to death ?? What are you going to do when you need those insurance money? [hrhr] Sniggwaffe is recruiting. Visit channel "join sniggwaffe" in game.
Artemis Rose Sileo In Pacis	Posted - 2008.12.01 12:41:00 - [35] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Uhm what? I'm trying to find the rock paper and scissors. rr fleet is rock, ecm fleet is paper and what might scissors be? Tell me. Scissors:: Eos w/ information warfare mindlink and a gang packing lots of ECCM? *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats
Kadoes Khan	Posted - 2008.12.01 20:11:00 - [36] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Ok so a very ecm heavy fleet counters rr fleets. What counters ecm heavy fleets then? I'd go with drones, most ECM ships can't really effectively field disco setups to fend them off. That or you could hot drop a mothership or two and ruin their day real quick. -=^=- "Someday the world will recognize the genius in my insanity."
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Home 0f Bored Occultists	Posted - 2008.12.02 01:47:00 - [37] Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 02/12/2008 01:47:14 Originally by: Artemis Rose Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Uhm what? I'm trying to find the rock paper and scissors. rr fleet is rock, ecm fleet is paper and what might scissors be? Tell me. Scissors:: Eos w/ information warfare mindlink and a gang packing lots of ECCM? Good answer. Allthough gallente players dont seem to realise they have a scissors in their hands. All I hear are whines about eos... ----------------------------------------- [Video] The Cruise
Roemy Schneider BINFORD	Posted - 2008.12.02 05:29:00 - [38] well... ecm may seem like _the_ thing to do but experienced logis pack an eccm or two these days. or they just warp/jump out real quick, back after not much more than 30 seconds. neuts are a lot sneakier, 100% certain and without cap they're even more useless. dont think you have to destroy all the cap yourself; they do that quite nicely on their own, you just have to topple their cap stability. logis just create more HP out of cap - destroying it indericetly destroys a whole lot of HP. so if you're in one of those battleship "short range ammo, warp to 0" skirmishes, feel free to let a heavy neut wander over to one of the logis - i'm sure they're hugging their big friends anyway. if they're some km off, yes, send in the curses. only if those arent available, start jamming. until then, let those loose on _their_ curses -.- - putting the gist back into logistics
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2008.12.04 07:50:00 - [39] Originally by: Norwood Franskly more ecm. Or blob That can work -- sadly. "The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of ~~gold~~crap"
Unfamed II Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2008.12.07 09:38:00 - [40] ECM works. Nerf falcons! Actually, please don't. Originally by: Sandslinger of CA So this wasn't a straightoff logoffski from our point of view, rather a tactical manoeuvre
Funkcikle Gallente DEATHFUNK Doctrine.	Posted - 2008.12.07 11:38:00 - [41] Originally by: Dihania Originally by: Funkcikle is this a trick question ? I would ignore a fleet comprised of logistics ships what they gonna do Rep u to death ?? What are you going to do when you need those insurance money? Insurance is for the weak and sensible
The Tzar Malicious Intentions	Posted - 2008.12.08 13:20:00 - [42] Originally by: Crellion Be warned RR BSs will always have 1 ECCM fitted barring cases where they have two :D Taking down enemy RRBS gangs would be a lot harder if this were the case. Agreed any RRBS should fit ECCM but by judging on the number of falcon whines I would say this is not the norm. __________________________________________ 'Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear intelligent until they speak' __________________________________________
Lord Zoran House of Tempers	Posted - 2008.12.08 15:17:00 - [43] a lot of smartbombs......
Dimitryy	Posted - 2008.12.08 19:42:00 - [44] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Ok so a very ecm heavy fleet counters rr fleets. What counters ecm heavy fleets then? Heavy ECCM fleets, stealth bombers with void bombs.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Gunship Diplomacy	Posted - 2008.12.09 01:16:00 - [45] Originally by: Dimitryy Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Ok so a very ecm heavy fleet counters rr fleets. What counters ecm heavy fleets then? Heavy ECCM fleets, stealth bombers with void bombs. Heavy ecm fleet does not mean ecm only ships. Only 2-3 zealots would face melt two dussin SBs in seconds. That won't work. ----------------------------------------- [Video] The Neverending Story
Karash Amerius Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.12.09 23:38:00 - [46] Have your fleet trained to lock up 3 of their own targets, and have them damage cycle those 3 targets every 30 seconds or so. If the logistics fleet is small-ish you can have the FC call the 3 targets, but any mid sized fleet with over 10 to 15 logistics probably needs to be dealt with on individual target basis. Battleships kill the DPS ships, and support goes after the logistics component. They will be giving up a lot of DPS, and if they are not highly trained, it fails pretty fast. ____________________________________________ "Fighting Broke" - An Ex-Merc Blog

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