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Dantes Revenge
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.11.27 10:45:00 -
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Originally by: Shirley Serious What's the billion dollars compared to the number of people that play MMO's ?
What you should be asking is: What is a billion dollars worth to you personally?
This isn't a system where the income is shared out among everyone, this is a business where individuals are profiting from the work of others.
Example: If you own a car and I start sending people around to your house because you are soft enough to give them a lift, it would probably annoy you. If you then found out I was charging these people but not offering you a cut, you would be outraged. If you then found out I was making a fortune from doing it to several people who own cars, you'd be furious. Now imagine how you'd feel if you found out I had made a billion dollar business from doing it.
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Karille
Gallente Lordless
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Posted - 2008.11.27 11:19:00 -
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What's a billion dollars compared to just don't buy that ****?
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Tiirae
The New Era HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.11.27 12:34:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
You also flailed about the billion USD magnitude order in your second post as if it actually meant "a lot of money" on a global scale. It doesn't, it's quite minuscule for a WORLDWIDE market. At the article-listed estimate of 2 bil a year, that's not even 30 cents a year per human alive.
You are a first class moron. I would never suggest that a billion dollars was significant on a global scale, that's absurd. However, a billion dollars is huge on the scale of an industry with only a handful of people at the top of the tree.
My point, seeing as you are so feeble minded as to have not yet grasped it, is that with a billion dollars a year at stake, there's ALWAYS going to be people to step in and keep it up, regardless of whatever the MMO companies do to the current offenders.
Your whole argument about it being a tiny market is the dumbest thing I have read in weeks.
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Shirley Serious
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.11.27 12:45:00 -
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was just trying to get a grasp on the scale of things.
So it's a billion dollar industry.
how many people play mmorpgs?
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ouroboros trading
Gallente Medics On Fire
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Posted - 2008.11.27 12:54:00 -
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a beeeeeeeeeeeeeeelion dollars!
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TU144 TEPPOPNCT'CMEPTHNK
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.11.27 16:15:00 -
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hmmmmm......a Billion $$$$
i'd buy a heavily armored ship, fit lots of weapons on the high slots, webbers, scramblers, ECM, long range Tracking and big engines on the mids, and speed boosters and big powerplant and heavy armour on the lows.
I'd then hire a team of ex-Militry guys from Eve-Online(who wants to go play pew-pew) and we'd all go play real Pew-Pew with the Pirates off the coast of yeman and somalia/ethiopia, and for a holiday we'd go visit hong kong and have some fun with the pirates over there on the way...
Yarrrr.....
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YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2008.11.27 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: Tiirae
Just read the article.
How about you summarize it?
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.11.28 03:00:00 -
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Originally by: Tiirae I would never suggest that a billion dollars was significant on a global scale, that's absurd. However, a billion dollars is huge on the scale of an industry with only a handful of people at the top of the tree.
The very nature of the "business" MAKES it global. And just like the article denotes, the age of single big conglomerates with a handfull of people at the top has all but ended... with loads of smaller-scale "phantom" businesses being more likely to succeed.
Quote: My point, seeing as you are so feeble minded as to have not yet grasped it, is that with a billion dollars a year at stake, there's ALWAYS going to be people to step in and keep it up, regardless of whatever the MMO companies do to the current offenders.
Wow, good going - you berate me for "not getting it" and you reach the exact same conclusion I did. Way to go ! Or "way to not read the entire post at all", whichever you prefer.
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Tiirae
The New Era HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.11.28 07:28:00 -
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Originally by: YouGotRipped
Originally by: Tiirae
Just read the article.
How about you summarize it?
Sure: People involved in the RMT business are turning over a billion dollars a year or more.
You're welcome.
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Victor Valka
Caldari Kissaki Corporation
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Posted - 2008.11.28 07:30:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Toothpicks are a billion dollar industry...
As is manure. I think we've made our point.
Originally by: Spaztick You are not outnumbered, you are in a target-rich environment.
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Tiirae
The New Era HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.11.28 07:32:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Wow, good going - you berate me for "not getting it" and you reach the exact same conclusion I did. Way to go ! Or "way to not read the entire post at all", whichever you prefer.
Yeah whatever. Your blathering about a billion dollars a year not being much money pretty much made anything else you said not worth reading. I've had more interest in the welfare of my dog's fleas than I have for your opinions.
I'm only posting this because you are probably one of those 'must have last word' people and with any luck I can keep this going for days.
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Victor Valka
Caldari Kissaki Corporation
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Posted - 2008.11.28 07:35:00 -
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Originally by: Tiirae
Originally by: Akita T
Wow, good going - you berate me for "not getting it" and you reach the exact same conclusion I did. Way to go ! Or "way to not read the entire post at all", whichever you prefer.
Yeah whatever. Your blathering about a billion dollars a year not being much money pretty much made anything else you said not worth reading. I've had more interest in the welfare of my dog's fleas than I have for your opinions.
I'm only posting this because you are probably one of those 'must have last word' people and with any luck I can keep this going for days.
Pot calling kettle black.
If you did not care about peoples' opinions you would not be arguing with them on an Internet spaceship forums.
Originally by: Spaztick You are not outnumbered, you are in a target-rich environment.
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Gentle Wind
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Posted - 2008.11.28 08:40:00 -
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Originally by: Tiirae The only way this can be fixed is to drag every 3rd world country on the planet into the 21st century and therefore make legal stuff enforceable. And that's never going to happen.
Let's not forget the people buying the product are those who are in your corp and you play with on a regular basis.
Aside from that, at least 1 of the major RMT companies is based in Ohio (U.S.A.) and buys currency from U.S. players to resell. They have a near 0 ban rate because their IP address is US based which keeps them under the radar.
I'm amazed how much ignorance there is about farming and RMT. A lot of people are talking but few having any idea what they are talking about.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.11.28 17:05:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 28/11/2008 17:10:08
Originally by: Tiirae Yeah whatever. Your blathering about a billion dollars a year not being much money pretty much made anything else you said not worth reading. I've had more interest in the welfare of my dog's fleas than I have for your opinions.
It's a lot of money if you talk single-company or single-individual. But when you talk "INDUSTRY" and "global scale", it's not.
The article you posted pretty much already spelled it to you that even if it MIGHT have been possible in the past to concentrate most of that "industry" in a couple of hands (as it was the case with IGE), due to the risen awareness in all MMO operators and increased visibility in judicial circles, that's not likely to be possible anymore - any LARGE "legitimate" company that operates TRADING virtual currency and items is likely to be slapped with some kind of lawsuit sooner or later. The article further explains the problems "suppliers" of such wannabe trading companies face, how badly they get hit by waves of banning and such. It pretty much spells to you that everything past a certain volume is likely to be detected by the MMO operators and eventually get destroyed in a very (financially) painfull fashion. So, the "one big trading company" is not feasable anymore... "professional gold farmers" get hit increasingly often... this all leaves in just all those "fish too small to fry" as the only serious problem. Sure, the fact the potential clientelle has a lot of money to spend makes place for a LOT of small-time operators, but even if it was just a million-dollar "business" that would still be the case.
Yeah, I did make fun of your "OMGWTF billion dollar industry SHOCK" statement. That's because it was obvious for years. If you NEEDED that article to spell it for you... what the hell does that mean ? Oh, right... that you had no clue, that's what it means.
Barring that (for you) startling revelation of just how big the market is (a sub-unitary fraction of what MMO subscription costs are, that is), there was nothing more you said that hasn't been said for a very, very long time.
OF COURSE *SOMEBODY* will always try to sell virtual currency/items even if it's "not EULA legal" to do so, but that doesn't have anything to do with the TOTAL potential market - somebody would do that even if the potential market would be tiny. It has to do with the "value of time" across the globe... when one hour of work in the USA pays over 7$, but somewhere else 35 cents is a decent deal, OBVIOUSLY you will get a situation where somebody in the "poorer" country will recruit people to do what the people in the "rich" country don't feel like doing, ESPECIALLY if the goods are immaterial and easily transferrable from one party to the other even across the entire globe.
You get the "DUUH" award.
Originally by: Gentle Wind Aside from that, at least 1 of the major RMT companies is based in Ohio (U.S.A.) and buys currency from U.S. players to resell. They have a near 0 ban rate because their IP address is US based which keeps them under the radar.
What keeps them safe is mainly the average low volumes of trade per account, only then the not-farming-specific IPs. Don't worry, just like IGE was sued, they will get sued too, eventually - as soon as they get "high profile" enough to become either a juicy class action lawsuit target, or a corporate lawsuit target.
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