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Beaty Swollocks Freelancing Corp	Posted - 2008.11.27 08:38:00 - [1] Edited by: Beaty Swollocks on 27/11/2008 08:39:52 As i see it now, once you hit -5 and below with any faction (be it Pirate or Empire) you are unable to get it back into +standing right ?. Even with the skills currently avalible to us its still a no go. So please ccp give us a way to get it back, im not asking for easy mode 'instant reset iwin button', i would gladly 'grind' it back if i was able to and im sure anyone else in the same position would. All im asking for is a viable way to gain it back, i got new friends who joined the game in the last 2 weeks but due to my standing im unable to help them out as im Kos in the space they started in.

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Verx Interis Amarr Modicus Dementis	Posted - 2008.11.27 09:14:00 - [3] There's 2 ways 1. (unconfirmed but most likely) if your standing is with one of the four main factions, join a corp in their militia and go plexing. However I don't know the details as to what would happen so could someone in FW help? 2. run missions for the faction with a friend and have him turn it in for the gang. This gives you a bit of a standing boost and after a while can get you into the recoverable zone. having the Diplomacy skill trained up also helps. Also I don't think it's -5, it's whatever is the number where having max diplomacy still won't let you talk to a L1 Q-18 agent. Maybe it happens to be -5, but I doubt it. -- Your bad loan management perfectly strikes the stock market, wrecking for -777.68 points.
Dictum Factum Gemini Sun Violent-Tendencies	Posted - 2008.11.27 09:15:00 - [4] It would be even better if the skills required a base charisma of 4 or higher. I know less than you think I do. Gemini Sun is Recruiting
Nicholas Barker Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.11.27 09:16:00 - [5] sisters of eve? ------
Rellik B00n Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.11.27 09:25:00 - [6] Originally by: Dictum Factum It would be even better if the skills required a base charisma of 4 or higher. wat?
Shirley Serious Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.11.27 09:33:00 - [7] For most factions, there's a back door, as it were, whereby working for them will raise your standings with the one you want. Except for Blood Raider/Sansha/Guristas. -5 or more to them, and you're shafted for good. Like, for Amarr, there's the Khanid Kingdom. Doing missions for them will eventually raise your Amarr standing enough to do missions for them. Akita T will probably arrive to vomit out their not inconsiderable knowledge on the matter. But here's what I know. Raise Gallente by working for Sisters of Eve, Raise Amarr by working for Khanid Kingdom, Raise Caldari by working for Mordu's Legion, There's others. Joining a player militia corp to try raising standings via faction warfare might work too. Yes. Yes, I am.
Vikarion Caldari White Rose Society	Posted - 2008.11.27 09:58:00 - [8] Yeah, I just got shafted good with the Blood Raiders/Guristas/Sanshas problem...I got more than -5 when still a newbie, and now that I'm RPing a Sansha sympathizer...well, it sucks. I tried petitioning, but the general GM response is "screw off", except said really nicely. Right now I'm a little bummed about it, since that pretty much throws a wrench in what I had decided to do as a role in Eve. Everything (mostly) I'd found was pretty boring in the end, save for Empire wars, and I can even get tired of those. So, here's the offer - if a member of CCP can figure out how to get me a way to be able to increase my standings with Sansha, I will send them 30 U.S. dollars for that all-important necessity - beer! And should a podder manage it, I will buy them a PLEX, free. It's about all I have left. I sure wish someone had told me about standings when I was a newbie.
Naolas	Posted - 2008.11.27 10:10:00 - [9] You could try failing storyline missions on purpose. For example, fail a mission for Amarr Epire and Sansha faction should go up. Idea comes from http://www.newedenlibrary.net/eon/standings.shtml
Vikarion Caldari White Rose Society	Posted - 2008.11.27 10:18:00 - [10] Originally by: Naolas You could try failing storyline missions on purpose. For example, fail a mission for Amarr Epire and Sansha faction should go up. Idea comes from http://www.newedenlibrary.net/eon/standings.shtml If that works, you'll have earned yourself a plex license, Naolas. But the beer offer is still open, as well as any other ideas. And if anyone thinks this is unfair...well, I'm perfectly willing for CCP to confiscate all of my accumulated wealth up to this point, (5-6 billion, maybe 7) if they'll just help me a tiny, weensy bit. (Yes, I'm desperate, I've been trying to figure out a solution for about three weeks. I would really, really like to have good standings with Sansha. Weird, I know. But free beer!
Ankhesentapemkah	Posted - 2008.11.27 10:19:00 - [11] I'll bring this issue up in Iceland, so be patient. The blood/sansha/guristas are a problem, and I also fail to see the reason why Interbus was removed as the slow (has only a +1 or so modifier) but sure safety net for Empire standings. Then there's the issue that standing can only be gained reliably through missions, factional warfare is a start to changing that, but will only give a very limited amount. Originally by: Verx Interis 2. run missions for the faction with a friend and have him turn it in for the gang. This gives you a bit of a standing boost and after a while can get you into the recoverable zone. Won't work as faction standing gain is not shared. Originally by: Naolas You could try failing storyline missions on purpose. For example, fail a mission for Amarr Epire and Sansha faction should go up. Idea comes from http://www.newedenlibrary.net/eon/standings.shtml That used to be the case years ago but now there is no positive standing gains resulting from any negative initial standing penalty anymore.
Myrhial Arkenath Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.11.27 10:19:00 - [12] Edited by: Myrhial Arkenath on 27/11/2008 10:20:25 removed, above posts answered my question
Vikarion Caldari White Rose Society	Posted - 2008.11.27 10:21:00 - [13] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah That used to be the case years ago but now there is no positive standing gains resulting from any negative initial standing penalty anymore. Crud. What if I offer free beer, all my Eve possessions, and they can change other standings to compensate? Say, Gallente Federation to -10?
Ankhesentapemkah	Posted - 2008.11.27 10:26:00 - [14] Originally by: Vikarion Crud. What if I offer free beer, all my Eve possessions, and they can change other standings to compensate? Say, Gallente Federation to -10? I'm a CSM, not a GM, and if I was, I'm not bribable. You'll have to wait till the January meetings before I get any official answer on this, I'm affraid.
Abrazzar	Posted - 2008.11.27 10:28:00 - [15] Originally by: Naolas You could try failing storyline missions on purpose. For example, fail a mission for Amarr Epire and Sansha faction should go up. Idea comes from http://www.newedenlibrary.net/eon/standings.shtml This doesn't work anymore for a long time now. You will only get the standings hit but not any associated gain with opposing factions. If you can not do any missions for a faction friendly with the one you're -5 with, you're stuck. I have had some ideas for Getting out of the Standings Hole which could be expanded on or varied more. -------- Ideas for: Mining
Dirtee Girl Omega Enterprises 0mega Factor	Posted - 2008.11.27 10:29:00 - [16] Edited by: Dirtee Girl on 27/11/2008 10:31:15 any empire faction standing can be gained back by doing missions for associated faction which you have access to for instance: recently a corp mate who was past -5 with galente federation recovered it by doing missions for the minmatar in caldari space . until he was able to fly in galente space . * *
Lady Aja Caldari Ore Mongers Black Hand.	Posted - 2008.11.27 11:03:00 - [17] Originally by: Beaty Swollocks Edited by: Beaty Swollocks on 27/11/2008 08:39:52 All im asking for is a viable way to gain it back, i got new friends who joined the game in the last 2 weeks but due to my standing im unable to help them out as im Kos in the space they started in. There is 2-3 social skills you can train up to get youre standings to below -5. thats the best you can do short of talking them into comming to youre space.
Ass Eels	Posted - 2008.11.27 11:13:00 - [18] Edited by: Ass Eels on 27/11/2008 11:13:17 Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Originally by: Verx Interis 2. run missions for the faction with a friend and have him turn it in for the gang. This gives you a bit of a standing boost and after a while can get you into the recoverable zone. Won't work as faction standing gain is not shared. Would it not be possible to use this approach to gain corp standing until you could eventually use corp agents on your own and start getting storyline missions?
Brilieth	Posted - 2008.11.27 11:19:00 - [19] Originally by: Vikarion Yeah, I just got shafted good with the Blood Raiders/Guristas/Sanshas problem...I got more than -5 when still a newbie, and now that I'm RPing a Sansha sympathizer...well, it sucks. I tried petitioning, but the general GM response is "screw off", except said really nicely. Right now I'm a little bummed about it, since that pretty much throws a wrench in what I had decided to do as a role in Eve. Everything (mostly) I'd found was pretty boring in the end, save for Empire wars, and I can even get tired of those. So, here's the offer - if a member of CCP can figure out how to get me a way to be able to increase my standings with Sansha, I will send them 30 U.S. dollars for that all-important necessity - beer! And should a podder manage it, I will buy them a PLEX, free. It's about all I have left. I sure wish someone had told me about standings when I was a newbie. Talk about being masochist. I understand being bummed about not being able to raise one of the only 3 npcs factions currently suffering from not having a "recovering plan". But talking about putting everything you have got on the line just because you can't get good sansha standings seems really absurd to me. You can RP a thousand different chars without having to petition changes (that are unlikely to be implemented just for you) or bribing GMs (wich btw usually do not take kindly to jokes about being bribed...). Of course, it's your time and game assets we are talking about, you are free to do anything with them, from destroying everything and rage quit to let them sit while you brood, it's just strange to me that you are raising the issue in the first place. Just choose a different faction to roleplay.
Joey2cool A Galatic Exploration	Posted - 2008.11.27 11:26:00 - [20] maybe a system where if you dont do bad stuff to a faction that is already -5 or more, then slowly it moves back to less than this (-4.9) etc. Base it off of other corp members standing, and the corp standing as a whole. Kind of like how the corp's standing moves to reflect the average of all the players; if many players in the corp are friendlier with a faction, then the -5's and higher slowly move back into a safer zone. Admittedly this should take a while, and you would have to not doing something to **** the corp off in say a period of 60 days, and then it will begin to move back into the safe zone. comprende?
Killer Gandry Caldari Red Horizon Inc	Posted - 2008.11.27 11:26:00 - [21] Originally by: Verx Interis There's 2 ways having the Diplomacy skill trained up also helps. Also I don't think it's -5, it's whatever is the number where having max diplomacy still won't let you talk to a L1 Q-18 agent. Maybe it happens to be -5, but I doubt it. Well I can help you with the last point. I have Diplomacy lvl 5 and I actually have 1 Gallente Corporation a positive standing, however my Gallente Faction standing is very poor and even Diplomacy 5 won't let me do the lowest agent of the corporation i have some standing for. So having Diplomacy 5 doesn't do anything for you in regards of running missions for a faction you have high bad standing with. I reckon best thing to do is having a mate run a crapload of lvl 3's while being ganged with him. Don't loot or salvage, just do them asap and keep doing them to get standings up. This might open up the first lvl 1 agent in time for that corporation.
Shirley Serious Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.11.27 11:27:00 - [22] Originally by: Ass Eels Edited by: Ass Eels on 27/11/2008 11:13:17 Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Originally by: Verx Interis 2. run missions for the faction with a friend and have him turn it in for the gang. This gives you a bit of a standing boost and after a while can get you into the recoverable zone. Won't work as faction standing gain is not shared. Would it not be possible to use this approach to gain corp standing until you could eventually use corp agents on your own and start getting storyline missions? the faction standings override the corp standings. So, if you have 9.0 to Federation Navy, but -2 to Gallente, then you can't run missions for Fed Navy. Yes. Yes, I am.
Babel Utopian Research I.E.L. Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2008.11.27 13:04:00 - [23] Only 3 confirmed ways to raise factional standing back from below -5 .... 1. Train Diplomacy more. 2. Run missions for a faction liked by your target faction, storylines will raise faction standings of friendly factions somewhat also. 3. Join a FW corp [that can cope with averaging in your low standings and remain in FW] and go capping plexes to gain promotions and faction gains. Once you reach -2, you can now use agents of the target faction. Other suggested means don't work :) PS. being -5 or lower does not mean you instantly explode when entering unfriendly hisec .... Yes you are shot at [graded response from 0.5 -> 1.0], No you cannot cloak, No you are never scrambled by NPC navys. Makes unfriendly hisec inconvenient to travel thru, but by no means does it bar you from that space at all. ------- * Your signature is too wide. Please note, we require signatures to be no larger than 400x120 pixels - Fallout "Out of the good of evil born, Came Uriel's voice of cherub scorn"
Aurora Nyx Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.11.27 14:07:00 - [24] FW plexes will earn you standing with the MILITIA corp and ranked promotions. The promotions give you a massive standing increase to the FACTION, however....... as i have found out through personal experience.... you do not get promotions from plexing if your standing with the relevant MILITIA corp is negative.
Vikarion Caldari White Rose Society	Posted - 2008.11.27 18:00:00 - [25] Uh-uh, I'm not talking about bribing a GM, I'm talking about giving a "Dev" beer moneyz if they solve a problem near and dear to me. As I understand, one or two of them have already said that they want to change the system; I'm just trying to make it a bit more enticing to do so. And yeah, I'd be willing to sacrifice all of my in-game wealth for it, because, frankly, ISK doesn't mean all that much to me. I know how to get it, and how to get it fast, so why not? But no, I'm not going to rage-quit or anything - that would be rather childish. I would enjoy what I do much more if I could use Sansha agents, but I don't think that that's tantamount to leaving if I cannot. Yes, I'm sure it's not exactly the most important thing in the world of Eve to most of you, but it's important to me, and I doubt CCP minds me advocating it or even dangling rewards for what some of them have already indicated an inclination to do. What I would like to see is a once-in-a-lifetime "amnesty day", where, if you so choose, you can agree to having all of your standings (positive and negative) reset. I think that would both fit the bill of there being consequences to your actions while giving some forgiveness to those who were not aware of those consequences.
Karille Gallente Lordless	Posted - 2008.11.27 18:03:00 - [26] Every once in a lifetime opportunity leads people to entitlement whining. You'll even have people saying they didn't realize the consequences of using the amnesty.
Vikarion Caldari White Rose Society	Posted - 2008.11.27 18:38:00 - [27] Edited by: Vikarion on 27/11/2008 18:38:23 That's true, but I'm thinking of it as a temporary fix. I mean, what I'd really like to see is something like factional warfare for the pirate factions - it would solve my problem and be a lot of fun - but that's not gonna happen. The fact remains that CCP wants to get people out to 0.0, and that they want people to participate in RP stuff, and making it possible to recover from newbie mistakes - a recovery that really doesn't have any bad effects upon risk/reward or balance - is a good idea. I think it's such a good idea, and has so many simple fixes (always-usable 0-level agents/addition of two more diplomacy skills/paying exobitant fees for standings increase) that it should be implemented quickly, and I'm willing to toss down some...er..."beer-bery" (it's not bribery!) as an enticement to fixing something they already want to fix. That can only be right.
Beaty Swollocks Freelancing Corp	Posted - 2008.11.27 19:20:00 - [28] Thanks for the posts so far, some stuff i didn't know thats for sure. As for training diplomacy, yes i know about that but in some case it still wont work. @Ankhesentapemkah - Thanks and i appreciate takeing it to the dev's. By all means im not asking for a easy mode instant reset and im sure the majority of people in the same situation as me would agree to. See my problem is my current agent since the latest patch offers me so many missions vs amarr when im doing missions in amarr space, very soon im im gonna be KoS to them :( (tho someone did say above me that they don't insta pop ya ?)
Verx Interis Amarr Modicus Dementis	Posted - 2008.11.27 19:28:00 - [29] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Originally by: Verx Interis 2. run missions for the faction with a friend and have him turn it in for the gang. This gives you a bit of a standing boost and after a while can get you into the recoverable zone. Won't work as faction standing gain is not shared. But corporation standing is right? Even with low faction standing, if you get your corporation standing up enough to run missions for the corporation, then you can grind that and get your own storylines.. amirite? -- Your bad loan management perfectly strikes the stock market, wrecking for -777.68 points.
Beaty Swollocks Freelancing Corp	Posted - 2008.11.27 19:30:00 - [30] Originally by: Verx Interis Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Originally by: Verx Interis 2. run missions for the faction with a friend and have him turn it in for the gang. This gives you a bit of a standing boost and after a while can get you into the recoverable zone. Won't work as faction standing gain is not shared. But corporation standing is right? Even with low faction standing, if you get your corporation standing up enough to run missions for the corporation, then you can grind that and get your own storylines.. amirite? Nope, i think it works just like it would going the other way - Like if you got 1.11 corp standing but got 2.22 faction standing then which ever is the greater works in you're favor.

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