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EnslaverOfMinmatar
Yarsk Hunters
DeaDSpace Coalition
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Posted - 2008.11.27 20:16:00 -
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ur fubard reprocess ur karictur nao
uʍop ǝpısdn ǝɹnʇɐuƃıs ʎɯ ƃuıpɐǝɹ ǝɹɐ noʎ
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Vikarion
Caldari
White Rose Society
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Posted - 2008.11.27 20:18:00 -
[32]
 Originally by: Beaty Swollocks
Nope, i think it works just like it would going the other way - Like if you got 1.11 corp standing but got 2.22 faction standing then which ever is the greater works in you're favor.
Unfortunately, this is the case. That sounds more like how factional warfare works.
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Vikarion
Caldari
White Rose Society
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Posted - 2008.11.27 20:44:00 -
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Oh, and incidentally, I did check the players guide: it appears to be referring to the Empire factions, and never points out that some factions are impossible to recover standings with. In fact, it implies that it is possible to fix them by running missions for friendly factions, which is not the case with Sansha/Blood/Gurista.
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Jeran Tek
Real Nice And Laidback Corporation
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Posted - 2008.11.27 22:48:00 -
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Putting some facts about standing & mission running together, some from this thread, some from personal experience:
The Level / Quality agents you can use is based on your BEST standing value from the 3 following: personal standing with the agent, standing with the agent's corp, standing with the agent's faction.
HOWEVER: If your standing with the agent's faction is below -2.0 (after Diplomacy) then they won't talk to you regardless of the other two standings. I presume the same is true for the other two standings as well but who gets -5.0 standing to a corp, or worse, to a single agent??
-5.0 faction standing is significant in 2 ways - <1> They'll start shooting you when you come into their space :) but more importantly <2> With -5.0 standing Diplomacy level 5 will raise you to -2.0. If you go below -5.0 raw standing then Diplomacy doesn't help with mission running.
Most factions have various back doors for gaining standing by running for friends etc.
The "Axis of Evil" factions don't like anyone very much so if you're -5.0 to all 3 of them it's bad luck for you.
It was once possible to gain faction standing by failing a storyline mission for a faction that your target faction disliked. This was removed about 18 months ago.
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Stephen HB
Mystical Knights
Legionnaire Services Ltd.
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Posted - 2008.11.28 00:09:00 -
[35]
Edited by: Stephen HB on 28/11/2008 00:12:04
Originally by: Vikarion
Originally by: Beaty Swollocks
Nope, i think it works just like it would going the other way - Like if you got 1.11 corp standing but got 2.22 faction standing then which ever is the greater works in you're favor.
Unfortunately, this is the case. That sounds more like how factional warfare works.
That's almost how it works. For basic agents the highest of personal, corporation and faction standing is used to decide if you can run missions (R&D agents have some extra requirements). However, there is an additional provision that personal, corp and faction standing must ALL be >-2.0 to run missions. Thus the -5.0 hole, where even Diplomacy V will only get you to -2.01.
Once you fall past -5.0 to a faction, only referred standings gains from a friendly faction (or FW, no experience there for me) can get you up again. So if you've ****ed off the Amarr too much, run storylines for Khanid/Ammatar/Caldari and use the referred standings to bump you up above -5.0. Once you escape the standings hole, a friend running missions can bump you up with a specific corp till you can grind lv4 storylines to get up you faction standing faster.
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One more thing, referred negative standings (i.e. Amarr storylines giving negative standing to Minmatar) will only take you to -5.0, not below. Only shooting a faction's ships will take you below that, and will do so rapidly. One Lv5 with my corp cost me >3.0 loss with Caldari. So avoid missions where you shoot an empire faction's ships (i.e. Enemies Abound) and you can be 'safe' with Diplomacy V.
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Originally by: Adonis 4174
You killed him to annoy him. He self-destructed to annoy you. You're annoyed thus he wins.
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Vikarion
Caldari
White Rose Society
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Posted - 2008.11.28 04:27:00 -
[36]
The problem is that there is one set of factions (Blood Raiders, Sansha, and Guristas) that have no "back door", like all the other factions. For example, Gallente and Minmatar have Sisters of Eve, etc.
I personally hit the no-return area for those factions long before I knew anything about standings, and I'm sure many other people have too. I'd really like a way to get around that or fix that, and I'm willing to sacrifice a lot in Eve or a good bit out of it to get that. I just don't want to have to basically reprocess my character to fix a mistake from my noob days.
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Vikarion
Caldari
White Rose Society
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Posted - 2008.11.28 05:47:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Stephen HB
Once you fall past -5.0 to a faction, only referred standings gains from a friendly faction (or FW, no experience there for me) can get you up again.
But this only works if the faction still has friendly allies. For example, Blood Raiders/Sansha/Guristas all tend to go down at the same time. Right now, no matter what you do, it is impossible to ever fix that with those factions.
I really think that this should be fixed. And yes, I know that you are probably tired of reading that. 
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Mark Interiis
Gallente
Disorder.
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Posted - 2008.11.28 08:04:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Verx Interis
There's 2 ways
2. run missions for the faction with a friend and have him turn it in for the gang. This gives you a bit of a standing boost and after a while can get you into the recoverable zone.
Faction standings aren't shareable
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Triskadecaphobia
Minmatar
Sounds Of Violence
Rogue Intentions
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Posted - 2008.11.28 15:18:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Vikarion
The problem is that there is one set of factions (Blood Raiders, Sansha, and Guristas) that have no "back door", like all the other factions. For example, Gallente and Minmatar have Sisters of Eve, etc.
I personally hit the no-return area for those factions long before I knew anything about standings, and I'm sure many other people have too. I'd really like a way to get around that or fix that, and I'm willing to sacrifice a lot in Eve or a good bit out of it to get that. I just don't want to have to basically reprocess my character to fix a mistake from my noob days.
Quoted for the thruth....
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Sonorra Baki
Interstellar eXodus
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.28 17:13:00 -
[40]
Missioning for Sansha raises Guri standings, dunno if the opposite is also the case. I can haz beer can ?
This may not be work safe  -Capsicum |
Spectre80
Caldari
The Knights Templar
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.11.28 18:19:00 -
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-7.81 to gallente federation... -5.68 with diplomacy.. i find this annoying and almost impossible to get back so i could use gallente systems. all that gone so far down have been by missions. but since i cant do missions for gallente its for stay for me. i would like to have option to get it raised back so i could again hang in gallente systems, but at the moment it seems impossible. needs fixing.
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Vikarion
Caldari
White Rose Society
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Posted - 2008.11.28 18:25:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Sonorra Baki
Missioning for Sansha raises Guri standings, dunno if the opposite is also the case. I can haz beer can ?
The problem with that is that Gurista/Sansha/Blood Raider standings all tend to go down at the same time, and the players guide never mentions anything about faction standings being unrecoverable. In fact, it implies the opposite.
So, no, you can't typically mission with the Guristas or Blood Raiders either. This is unlike the Gallente/Minmatar and Caldari/Amarr sides who have a few "side factions" that you can use to get associated standings increases. And this needs to be fixed.
"Reprocess your character and try again" is not a valid form of advice, but it's the only effective one for someone who wants standings to those three.
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Vikarion
Caldari
White Rose Society
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Posted - 2008.11.28 18:26:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Spectre80
-7.81 to gallente federation... -5.68 with diplomacy.. i find this annoying and almost impossible to get back so i could use gallente systems. all that gone so far down have been by missions. but since i cant do missions for gallente its for stay for me. i would like to have option to get it raised back so i could again hang in gallente systems, but at the moment it seems impossible. needs fixing.
Try working for Sisters of Eve. They can usually get you some boosts to Gallente if you run their storylines.
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Vikarion
Caldari
White Rose Society
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Posted - 2008.11.29 02:38:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Spectre80
-7.81 to gallente federation... -5.68 with diplomacy.. i find this annoying and almost impossible to get back so i could use gallente systems. all that gone so far down have been by missions. but since i cant do missions for gallente its for stay for me. i would like to have option to get it raised back so i could again hang in gallente systems, but at the moment it seems impossible. needs fixing.
After further research, you could also do missions for ORE or the Society of Conscious Thought, if they have agents. That might help improve your Gallente standings.
Oh, and I apparently got my really bad Sansha standings while doing missions against Guristas and Blood Raiders, which I find odd. I may try doing a reimbursement petition or something.
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Flushot
Amarr
Flu shots here
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Posted - 2009.01.06 11:31:00 -
[45]
bump.
But no really. I find this an important topic.
I firmly believe we should have the option to remain in good standing with all empire agents in eve. Its our Emergency fall back plan for anyone in low/null sec. If something serious happens people tend to run to where they are most secure. Empire is that area. We should have the ability to repair our standing within the empire of our choosing. Sure it make come and a great expense in the form of isk, time, missions, service to the empire, etc.
I have even made a futures and ideas post here: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=965644
reguarding this very issue. Feel free to post to this thread in support or critique.
I just don't see why mining should be the only trade to do that is "safe" for all walks of eve. Even NPCing has its downfalls with at least one faction but this is not that huge of an issue other than having to be in a decent alliance to get and value of rats worth shooting.
With jita being the only main market hub, it seems ironic that its so easy to destroy our movements in empire because we pick an agent or two to make our money. This may not be a good argument but it has some relevance.
thanks,
Flushot
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Mikal Drey
Minmatar
Priory Of The Lemon
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.06 12:20:00 -
[46]
Originally by: EnslaverOfMinmatar
ur fubard reprocess ur karictur nao
NO.
Oh and to stay on topic. Faction standings should NEVER be recoverable. it would be like michael jackson working in a nursery.
Its harder to live with low standings but certainly not impossible. So what if you accidentally go afk and ap through amarr space in a TII fitted tempest without insurance and come back flying a pod. 
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.01.06 12:27:00 -
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Originally by: Flushot
I firmly believe we should have the option to remain in good standing with all empire agents in eve.
We already have that option: don't shoot empire-faction ships and don't do too many storyine/COSMOS/radar missions for one faction in a row.
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“If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡…
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
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Phil Exon
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Posted - 2009.01.06 12:32:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Vikarion
The problem is that there is one set of factions (Blood Raiders, Sansha, and Guristas) that have no "back door", like all the other factions. For example, Gallente and Minmatar have Sisters of Eve, etc.
I personally hit the no-return area for those factions long before I knew anything about standings, and I'm sure many other people have too. I'd really like a way to get around that or fix that, and I'm willing to sacrifice a lot in Eve or a good bit out of it to get that. I just don't want to have to basically reprocess my character to fix a mistake from my noob days.
what he said ^^ trying to run missions for Sansha been my desire for a long time so im looking towards some answers from CSM/CCP
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Novantco
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2009.01.06 14:15:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Dictum Factum
It would be even better if the skills required a base charisma of 4 or higher.
Heh very clever.
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La Muerte
Amarr
Sounds Of Violence
Rogue Intentions
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Posted - 2009.01.06 14:25:00 -
[50]
I wonder how many devs have knowledge about this stuff... It would be nice to see someone from CCP acknowledge this situation.
Last live dev blog I tried to pose a question regarding this matter , but somehow my question was misunderstood. (Most probable cause me being no native English speaker , thus I might have posed my question in an awkward way...)
My pirate faction standings got ruined before I fully realized there were pirate agents , or even stations in 0.0. And yes , I would too sacrifice most of my stuff for a solution. 
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el caido
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Posted - 2009.01.06 14:50:00 -
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I would sleep with any CCP employee if it meant I could rescue my Thukker standings. 
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La Muerte
Amarr
Sounds Of Violence
Rogue Intentions
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Posted - 2009.01.06 15:27:00 -
[52]
Originally by: el caido
I would sleep with any CCP employee if it meant I could rescue my Thukker standings.
Well , link one of your photos , and keep checking your mailbox for CCP mail... 
This just shows how desperate we are!
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Cyrus Brown
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Posted - 2009.01.06 15:57:00 -
[53]
What is the best way to raise my faction standing to the Angel Cartel?
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.01.06 16:40:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Vikarion
Originally by: Naolas
You could try failing storyline missions on purpose.
For example, fail a mission for Amarr Epire and Sansha faction should go up.
Idea comes from http://www.newedenlibrary.net/eon/standings.shtml
If that works, you'll have earned yourself a plex license, Naolas. But the beer offer is still open, as well as any other ideas.
And if anyone thinks this is unfair...well, I'm perfectly willing for CCP to confiscate all of my accumulated wealth up to this point, (5-6 billion, maybe 7) if they'll just help me a tiny, weensy bit. (Yes, I'm desperate, I've been trying to figure out a solution for about three weeks.
I would really, really like to have good standings with Sansha. Weird, I know. But free beer!
It was corrected as a bug 1 or 2 years ago. Now you only lose standing.
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Xiaodown
coracao ardente
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.01.06 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: Vikarion
Oh, and incidentally, I did check the players guide: it appears to be referring to the Empire factions, and never points out that some factions are impossible to recover standings with. In fact, it implies that it is possible to fix them by running missions for friendly factions, which is not the case with Sansha/Blood/Gurista.
People more versed in running missions than me: You guys keep saying "Sansha/blood/gurista" are impossible to recover from. Is it possible to recover from Angel and Serpentis?
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