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Wardeneo
DEADLY RENEGADE ELITE ASSASSIN MERC SQUAD Rogue Intentions
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Posted - 2008.11.29 16:12:00 -
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Edited by: Wardeneo on 29/11/2008 16:12:23 and yes i know theres no best hac but i want 2 know ppls oppinion
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lebrata
Hedion University
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Posted - 2008.11.29 16:15:00 -
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Edited by: lebrata on 29/11/2008 16:15:37 Best gunship = Zealot.
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Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr Shadow Company Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.11.29 16:27:00 -
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The ishtar still rocks. One of the greatest strengths of the ishtar is that beyond drones (all sorts of drones) you never know what an ishtar pilot is packing. Could be armor tank and a rack of E-war, could be a shieldtank and rails/blasters for extra gank or anything else really. Powerful but incredibly versatile. ______________________________________________ -My respect can not be won, only lost. It's given freely and only grudgingly withdrawn. |
Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.11.29 16:31:00 -
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Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel The ishtar still rocks. One of the greatest strengths of the ishtar is that beyond drones (all sorts of drones) you never know what an ishtar pilot is packing. Could be armor tank and a rack of E-war, could be a shieldtank and rails/blasters for extra gank or anything else really. Powerful but incredibly versatile.
And with sentrys its also long range hard hitting :)
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Cyb3r Thr3at
Southern Cross Empire
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Posted - 2008.11.29 17:50:00 -
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Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel The ishtar still rocks. One of the greatest strengths of the ishtar is that beyond drones (all sorts of drones) you never know what an ishtar pilot is packing. Could be armor tank and a rack of E-war, could be a shieldtank and rails/blasters for extra gank or anything else really. Powerful but incredibly versatile.
Agreed.. Ishtar is a dam good HAC but, since QR Im favoring the Zealot ( guess cause i prefer straight out gunboats best)
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Artemis Rose
Sileo In Pacis
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Posted - 2008.11.29 18:16:00 -
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Considering all of the HACs fill different roles, you can't impartially compare them. However, these are some strong ones of them.
Ishtar (flexibility) Zealot (gunship) Cerb (DPS at range) Vagabond (skirmish)
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Lord Zap
Caldari Retrofitted Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.11.29 18:40:00 -
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moomin is best
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Poena Loveless
Minmatar Dawn of a new Empire
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Posted - 2008.11.29 22:33:00 -
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I have to say, the sniper muninn is quite fun now a days too.
all around, ishtar and zealot are top dogs, rest just have their select uses. well, most-- sorry deimos.
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Precisionist
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Posted - 2008.11.29 23:04:00 -
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Deimos is good with gangs for gank. vaga fast ishtar versatile muninn not too good but some ppl have fits for it mostly for gangs or sniping alpha strikes. zealot good mid range dmg best gunship prob. eagle 200km sniper or blaster(not too good tho.) cerb has missles good with gangs I suppose
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Ess Erbe
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.11.29 23:55:00 -
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Sacrilege is still awesome.
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Removal Tool
Reptilian Reality
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Posted - 2008.11.30 00:55:00 -
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Ishtar and Sac.
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Lilith Velkor
Minmatar DEATH'S LEGION Red Box.
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Posted - 2008.11.30 04:47:00 -
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I'd say 1st place is going to zealot and vagabond.
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Derek Sigres
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Posted - 2008.11.30 05:24:00 -
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As others have pointed out, it's hard to quantify what makes a HAC the best.
Cerberus - the BEST HAC for shredding smaller ships. It's position as best anti-support HAC is the subject of much speculation. It does more damage at extreme ranges than it's peer (the eagle) but it has a lower sensor strength and delayed damage.
Eagle - More or less the best anti-support HAC. It's got the reach and the sensor strength to both reach ECM ships and cushion itself agianst ECM. The damage output is fairly low, but the ships it's countering generally have little in the way of legitimate defense anyway.
Zealot - When it comes to shooting people and making it hurt the Zealot tops the list, either from close range or medium-long range. There isn't a lot of versatility but the Zealot can muster enough damage to worry just about anything that takes the field.
Ishtar - the ultimate in flexibility. Able to tank, tackle and gank all by itself. It can snipe with sentries, maul with heavies and shred with light drones. It's only downside is the vulnerability of it's primary weapon systems.
Sacriledge - Hard hitting AND hard tanking, the Sac is one of the ships still truly viable for solo PVP. Versatility was nerfed thanks to the now reasonable Javelin HAM's and the general slowdown of ships. Still, if you want a ship that can stand up under heavy hostile fire while slugging back and holding the enemy in place the Sac is the ship for you.
Vagabond - Suffers from an identity crises these days. It's still the fastest cruiser around but that speed advantage is no longer measured in several km/s. It delivers adequate levels of damage at many range all while holding a point. Pretty much the last word in HAC tackling.
Deimos - More or less overshadowed by the Brutix. This hard hitting ship can muster truly terrifying levels of damage but it's flimsy construction and incredibly short range coupled with exhorbinat cost have cost the Deimos.
Munin - A solid mid range sniper. It's overshadowed by the Zealot in most every capacity except alpha strike. It's performance as an autocannon ship leads most people straight into the Hurricane. The classic case of minmatar flexibility in all the wrong places.
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ViolenTUK
Gallente Vindicated Exiles V.I.R.A.L.
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Posted - 2008.11.30 05:44:00 -
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If you have rep/cap support from your gang the Deimos is great.
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Jordan Musgrat
H A V O C Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.11.30 06:01:00 -
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Edited by: Jordan Musgrat on 30/11/2008 06:02:03 Ishtar/Sac/Vaga are the best (only) solo HACs, Munnin/Zealot/Eagle all make for extremely good 120km sniping HACs, Eagle easily reaches 190km so in that sense it's the king of sniping, Deimos is okish, not really that good at sniping, not even really that good at ganking unless it's a neutron/triple dmg mod deimos, in which case it does insane dps but paper thin, Vaga is still the best speed tackler, but I agree that if you're wanting to know what HAC to train, the Ishtar/Deimos combo is probably the best to train simply because they rule in terms of maximum dps, soloability, and flexibility.
edit: Cerb is great for small/medium gangs, since it does nice dps with a nice buffer, but not too great with sniper gangs. -----------
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Posted - 2008.11.30 06:28:00 -
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Good synopsis, Derek. Gives me an idea what HAC to fly if I ever get out of my learner ship. ;p
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2008.11.30 08:11:00 -
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Ship by ship:
Cerberus: damage to small ships is nerfed considerably, but it's still a good choice for providing both good dps on the primary and 0-250km capability against cruiser-size support. Just note: unless you're using the AML fit, keep a solid range buffer between you and any hostile frigates, unless you have anti-frigate support ready to clear them away.
Eagle: still the best sniper HAC. It's the reverse of the Cerberus, better against small targets (at least at range), weaker against cruisers.
Deimos: still the second-worst HAC (and only because the Muninn somehow sucks even more). Its speed advantage over the Brutix does not make up for its lower dps, lower tank, and much higher cost. A ship class designed to exploit superior range and/or mobility does not work well in a point-blank-range slugging match.
Ishtar: still pretty underwhelming. Heavy drones suck, damage is much weaker with anything else, and the Dominix is just too good. Drone ships get screwed over by the fact that the battleship can fit frigate, cruiser AND battleship weapons all at once, along with much better capwar. It's not a bad HAC, but I wouldn't train for it.
Zealot: still awesome, but definitely a glass cannon. Fast, hard-hitting, and tracks nearly anything at its optimal. The only way it could be more perfect is if they swapped the mid/lows and gave it Minmatar T2 resist along with some more CPU.
Sacrilege: hit hard by the nano nerf. Without its speed tank gone, and HAM range nerfed, I'm not sure I'd take this over a Drake. Again, not so much a bad ship as an underwhelming one.
Vagabond: nerfed, but better than people think. Hint: fit a shield tank and use your speed for mobility, not god-mode tanking. What you can't out-run, you out-gun, and what you can't gank, you can easily out-run.
Muninn: still the worst HAC. The only possible explanation for this ship is that some dev got killed one time too many by a Vagabond, and so decided to have his revenge on Minmatar. It's just a confused mess of a ship, the resists of a shield tanker, the slot layout of an armor tanking AC boat, an optimal bonus favoring artillery, drones/missiles favoring shorter range. As an artillery ship, it's a bad Zealot/Eagle. As an AC ship, it's a bad Hurricane/Vagabond. Stay far, far away from this ship until CCP finally gets around to fixing it.
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Naomi Knight
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.11.30 08:14:00 -
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Ah Merin nice list ,but it is as far from the truth as it can be.
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2008.11.30 08:20:00 -
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Originally by: Naomi Knight Ah Merin nice list ,but it is as far from the truth as it can be.
You want to back that up with some specific disagreements, or should I consider this a troll post? ----------- Blaster sig removed for now, pending those "changes we've been working on all day". CCP, don't screw this up.
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techzer0
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.11.30 08:31:00 -
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Edited by: techzer0 on 30/11/2008 08:31:31
Originally by: Merin Ryskin Vagabond: nerfed, but better than people think. Hint: fit a shield tank and use your speed for mobility, not god-mode tanking. What you can't out-run, you out-gun, and what you can't gank, you can easily out-run.
God-mode tank eh? I must have been flying the wrong ship pre-nerf because you just made no sense at all. You got most of your last sentence correct, but you can't out-gun everything, vagas always were horribly vulnerable to web-fit interceptors and are even worse off now. (Hint: if you know how to fly a ceptor you would know what I mean)
Meh.. I've had mixed results since the patch, more fights that I've had to run away from than before for sure due to the fear of scramblers completely disabling my ship... and Rifter or similar T1 fit tackling frig will do the job
Broadsword is my new favorite cruiser sized ship for now... Can't fly an Ishtar for another week
Edit: Originally by: Merin Ryskin You want to back that up with some specific disagreements, or should I consider this a troll post?
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NAFnist
Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.11.30 11:00:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Zap muunin is best
i was just thining about that bird
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2008.11.30 11:13:00 -
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Originally by: techzer0 God-mode tank eh? I must have been flying the wrong ship pre-nerf because you just made no sense at all. You got most of your last sentence correct, but you can't out-gun everything, vagas always were horribly vulnerable to web-fit interceptors and are even worse off now. (Hint: if you know how to fly a ceptor you would know what I mean)
"God mode" is an obvious exaggeration. WTS: Common Sense I.
As for interceptors, if only the Vagabond had a drone bay... -----------
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McFly
C0LDFIRE RUDE Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.30 11:19:00 -
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I'm just wondering how people are fitting the ishtar these days. I've been playing with mine wondering what to do next with it. And based on what people are saying here I'll have to EFT with some Zealot setups, and see whats what about it. I tried an AB Vaga but I wasn't too impressed, it was nice getting the 425mm's on there but they just dont track fast enough for smaller targets imho.
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sAyArrrr
Minmatar Omyst Inc.
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Posted - 2008.11.30 12:08:00 -
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Stabber fleet issue > vaga imho
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Felix Dzerzhinsky
Caldari Wreckless Abandon G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.11.30 14:27:00 -
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Munin still sucks. . .its used by desparate Mini pilots who did not train either Gallente or Amarr. ----
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Merull
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Posted - 2008.11.30 21:17:00 -
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I've been flying the sac lately with some success. Like someone else said though, broadsword is tops.
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