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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2008.12.02 03:18:00 -
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Edited by: cosmoray on 02/12/2008 03:21:54
Edited by: cosmoray on 02/12/2008 03:18:56
Chapter 1 ū Summary
I am looking to raise 8B ISK at a fixed interest rate for 6 months.
The auction will run until 23.59 GT 11th December or unless guarantee is reached.
Rates = 4.8 ū 8.0%
Current Bids
give me a chance to post the plan !
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Frenden Dax
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Posted - 2008.12.02 03:20:00 -
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1b at 8%
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Kwint Sommer
Caldari
XERCORE
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Posted - 2008.12.02 03:21:00 -
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Edited by: Kwint Sommer on 02/12/2008 03:25:03
8B at 8%
EDIT: I'm assuming that rate is monthly but will payment be made monthly? If not can we expect it to compound or are getting rate*6 at the end of 6 months?
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2008.12.02 03:21:00 -
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Chapter 2 ū Business Plan
The 8 Billion will be used to complete a contract in T1 production. I realize this is not completely specific but what I will be doing is fairly common but has fairly defined markets and profitability.
Even if the contract fails the market price for the products that are required can be sold easily in a very liquid market.
The money will be used for a mix of BPOĘs and minerals to run continuous production.
This contract is independent from Cosmoray Construction which I do not want to expand at this time, and is in a separate industry segment.
Chapter 3 ū Who am I (Trust)
Hopefully I am reasonably well known on this forum, as I have been annoying people here for over a year now.
I am currently running a successful (I havenĘt scammed and I pay regular dividends) IPO called Cosmoray Construction launched for 16B ISK in June this year.
Kazuo Ishiguro completed a successful (gave me a clean bill of health) audit on my above business operations.
These two reasons above are not enough for you to trust me. You need to make up your own mind. Do a search on eve-search and make up your own mind.
Do not invest if you are unsure about me or you do not have the spare capital to take part. If you have an interest rate minimum donĘt bid under it just because other people may.
Chapter 3 ū Dutch Auction
I will auction 80 bonds worth 100M ISK each.
Any player may bid on a minimum of 1 and up to 10 bonds (100M-1B)
The player must indicate the rate of monthly interest they will accept on the bond.
All bonds will earn the same rate of interest. The highest rate of interest for the 80th bond (from bottom) unless guarantee is reached.
3.1 Interest Gaurantee
What is this you ask?
Well I will set the lowest interest rate of the bond at 4.8% per month. The highest I will pay is 8%
I have chosen this rate as I want to set myself a minimum rate at which I see my value in the market. I wouldnĘt agree that my credit rating is as good as RayĘs Bonds (4.5%) or SharĘs which is even lower.
Chapter 4 ū Audit
I thought about releasing my API code on the forum, which I realized wasnĘt that smart. I donĘt want to pick up a wardec for my logistics.
Now if anyone wants an audit give me a shout and I will send the API code for the toons that will be used for this.
The audit is not mandatory, and if the money is raised without the requirement for an audit I will release the bond with preference to the players who do not need an audit. This will certainly be the case if the 80 bonds are bid on at the guarantee rate.
Chapter 5 ū Monthly Payment
I will pay interest via a dividend mechanism. I have created a holding corp. called CosmorayBond Manager with 8000 shares. 1 bond equals 100 shares. This makes the bond tradable. If and when EBank launches their market I will list the bonds there (if I can).
Chapter 6 - Bidding
Please indicate 3 things:
Number of bonds = 1 - 10
Interest Rate =
Audit = yes or no
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2008.12.02 03:28:00 -
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Rate will be paid monthly, via divs. NO compounding.
First payment will be Jan 1st and will be pro-rated for time bond starts.
Official bond will end June 30th 09.
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Kwint Sommer
Caldari
XERCORE
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Posted - 2008.12.02 03:30:00 -
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 Originally by: cosmoray
give me a chance to post the plan !
 Sorry about that.
Clearly, I have enough confidence in you to give you a no-questions asked 8B loan at 8%. Take it as a compliment.
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Frenden Dax
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Posted - 2008.12.02 03:33:00 -
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Originally by: Kwint Sommer
Originally by: cosmoray
give me a chance to post the plan !
Sorry about that.
Clearly, I have enough confidence in you to give you a no-questions asked 8B loan at 8%. Take it as a compliment.
This. I call 1b of that, Kwint; got in a second before you. 
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.12.02 03:34:00 -
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3b at 7.5%
To Shar -verb:
1 - To say what you mean.
2 - To say what it means.
3 - To say something mean. |
Lancer Maelstorm
Amarr
Art of War
Exalted.
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Posted - 2008.12.02 04:25:00 -
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Correct me if I am doing this wrong, but 500m @ 7.5%
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Manalapan
Dynasty Banking
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Posted - 2008.12.02 04:39:00 -
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8B @ 7.5%
Dynasty Banking |
Amarr Citizen 155
Tleilex Developments
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Posted - 2008.12.02 04:41:00 -
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8b @ 7%
Quote:
Ricdic (about starting ebank, July 2007): Think of it as a miniature EIB done right. I cannot see this getting anywhere near 700b any time in the future tbh.
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2008.12.02 04:45:00 -
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Originally by: Lancer Maelstorm
Correct me if I am doing this wrong, but 500m @ 7.5%
Yes your bidding correctly.
You bid the amount of money you want and at a lower interest rate than previous bids until you want to stop
Dutch Auction Definition
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Kwint Sommer
Caldari
XERCORE
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Posted - 2008.12.02 05:41:00 -
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8B at 6.7%
That's as low as I'm going.
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EBANK Ricdic
Eve-Tech Savings n Loans
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Posted - 2008.12.02 06:14:00 -
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Originally by: Kwint Sommer
8B at 6.7%
7.5b at 6.6%
Leaving some for the others so they can't say EBANK is killing the secondary market!!
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2008.12.02 06:15:00 -
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I'd love to, but I loathe dutch auctions, so Ebank can have it |
Ray McCormack
hirr
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Posted - 2008.12.02 06:16:00 -
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What's a guarantee?
8b @ 4.8%.
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Frenden Dax
Dax Acquisitions
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Posted - 2008.12.02 06:17:00 -
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Originally by: Ray McCormack
What's a guarantee?
8b @ 4.8%.
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Brock Nelson
Caldari
Flux Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2008.12.02 06:29:00 -
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Edited by: Brock Nelson on 02/12/2008 06:30:48
Well, lets admit it; we all knew it was going to hit 4.8 since its cosmoray...
10% for Returning Customers |
Kwint Sommer
Caldari
XERCORE
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Posted - 2008.12.02 06:53:00 -
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Originally by: Ray McCormack
What's a guarantee?
8b @ 4.8%.
I saw that coming from a mile away. Though, I figured it would take ~12 hours.
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EBANK Ricdic
Eve-Tech Savings n Loans
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Posted - 2008.12.02 07:44:00 -
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Originally by: Kwint Sommer
I saw that coming from a mile away. Though, I figured it would take ~12 hours.
Lol me too, I knew it would knock EBANK out of the running when it did 
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2008.12.02 12:59:00 -
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Originally by: Ray McCormack
What's a guarantee?
8b @ 4.8%.
Thx Ray, nice and easy raising the capital.
At work now, I'll send you the shares tonight when I get home, about 10p.m game time. It will be from CosmoBond Manager - 8000 shares.
Send the ISK whenever today.
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Amarr Citizen 155
Tleilex Developments
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Posted - 2008.12.02 19:37:00 -
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How about next time you ask for the amount you want at the % you want instead of this dutch auction nonsense. I hate dutch auctions and dutch ovens.
Quote:
Ricdic (about starting ebank, July 2007): Think of it as a miniature EIB done right. I cannot see this getting anywhere near 700b any time in the future tbh.
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2008.12.02 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155
How about next time you ask for the amount you want at the % you want instead of this dutch auction nonsense. I hate dutch auctions and dutch ovens.
Appreciate that, but I don't want to be presumptious about the rate I can get. nothing would be worse than asking for 4.8% and not getting it.
It is upto the buyer to aacept what rate they will take also. As I set a minimum it was available from the start.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2008.12.02 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: cosmoray
Appreciate that, but I don't want to be presumptious about the rate I can get. nothing would be worse than asking for 4.8% and not getting it.
It is upto the buyer to aacept what rate they will take also. As I set a minimum it was available from the start.
I think what Amarr was getting at is that giving the history of your offerings, posting history, etc.. dealings and what not it was a pretty well given you'd get 4.8  |
Ray McCormack
hirr
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Posted - 2008.12.03 05:31:00 -
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Originally by: cosmoray
Send the ISK whenever today.
Just having a bit of an internet problem at home, should be able to get in tonight and transfer the ISK.
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Proton Power
Amarr
Tleilex Developments
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Posted - 2008.12.03 11:51:00 -
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Edited by: Proton Power on 03/12/2008 11:51:55
No plan, no reasons stated for needing the isk, no nothing other than I need 8bil send me isk.
In my research 55% of the time this is a scam.
EDIT: Looks like a post or 2 was skipped then your plan was posted. My research still says its a scam though 
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.12.03 12:06:00 -
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Originally by: Proton Power
EDIT: Looks like a post or 2 was skipped then your plan was posted. My research still says its a scam though
Wow, not looking to get into a fight with you (as we seriously dislike each other) but this statement was a bit... ... irresponsible. Originally by: Proton Power
In my research 55% of the time this is a scam.
Your research is incomplete. You didn't factor in the known success factor. However in your case, with so many abandoned projects, perhaps past history is something you need people to forget.
To Shar -verb:
1 - To say what you mean.
2 - To say what it means.
3 - To say something mean. |
Ricdic
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.12.03 12:47:00 -
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Here come the low blows. You know Shar he has only had one abandoned project right?
Bit of an over-dramatisation of "so many".
I agree his post was harsh or sarcastic (can't figure out which) but at least it wasn't a lie... |
Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.12.03 13:06:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdic
Here come the low blows. You know Shar he has only had one abandoned project right?
Bit of an over-dramatisation of "so many".
I agree his post was harsh or sarcastic (can't figure out which) but at least it wasn't a lie...
I figured one low blow deserves another. And I'd rather not get into the debate of what over dramatization is more appropriate. How many is it? 1? 2? Any we don't know about in addition?? The point is this: If he doesn't want drama directed at him, he needs to learn to stop shooting his mouth off. PS: You could also learn that lesson yourself. For instance, instead of immediately saying I'm lying why don't you either say "Shar, I think you are mistaken" or even just with the "What projects are you talking about?" However that doesn't serve your needs or your inclinations.
To Shar -verb:
1 - To say what you mean.
2 - To say what it means.
3 - To say something mean. |
Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2008.12.03 13:13:00 -
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Originally by: Proton Power
Edited by: Proton Power on 03/12/2008 11:51:55
No plan, no reasons stated for needing the isk, no nothing other than I need 8bil send me isk.
In my research 55% of the time this is a scam.
EDIT: Looks like a post or 2 was skipped then your plan was posted. My research still says its a scam though
Quite possibly, but the OP has raised a sizeable amount previously with successful returns on that for the last 3 months, so while the risk might be elevated based on the initial proposal given the history behind it, I'd say there is a mitigating factor there. |
cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2008.12.03 13:15:00 -
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Edited by: cosmoray on 03/12/2008 13:17:43
Originally by: Proton Power
Edited by: Proton Power on 03/12/2008 11:51:55
No plan, no reasons stated for needing the isk, no nothing other than I need 8bil send me isk.
In my research 55% of the time this is a scam.
EDIT: Looks like a post or 2 was skipped then your plan was posted. My research still says its a scam though
As long as you still love me PP I am happy!!
1 quick note: Those buggers Kwint and Franden were so quick to bid while I was still cutting and pasting the plan into the first reply page!
On a side note about raising capital. All the scams occured when the party was an unknown.
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Proton Power
Amarr
Tleilex Developments
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Posted - 2008.12.03 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
Originally by: Proton Power
EDIT: Looks like a post or 2 was skipped then your plan was posted. My research still says its a scam though
Wow, not looking to get into a fight with you (as we seriously dislike each other) but this statement was a bit... ... irresponsible. Originally by: Proton Power
In my research 55% of the time this is a scam.
Your research is incomplete. You didn't factor in the known success factor. However in your case, with so many abandoned projects, perhaps past history is something you need people to forget.
In my research I add in what ever factors I decide to put into it since its MY research. As per abandoned projects I can only think of 1 that I actually abandoned that actually started, I did many talks and rounds of other idea's but none ever really left the idea stage. My first IPO was closed out after over a year of running it and paying out I think 250% maybe more in dividends.
I am going to IRAQ in January, but will continue to help EBANK were I can, but not abadoning them per say.
Anyway my post was more of a joke than anything, even cosmary figured that out. I am not saying he is or isnt a scam being serious, I don't follow him well enough to say that, but I knew this would sell out quickly knowing others that like him.
Cosmary best of luck to you mate and sorry for derailing your thread some was just having some fun as per your post above I think you knew.
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Ray McCormack
hirr
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Posted - 2008.12.03 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: Proton Power
Cosmary
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YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2008.12.03 14:58:00 -
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Edited by: YouGotRipped on 03/12/2008 15:01:23
Originally by: Ray McCormack
Originally by: Proton Power
Cosmary
hahahahah, hahahahahahahah x3
You've almost killed me there PP. I dunno if laughter induced cardiorespiratory arrest can account for attempted murder first degree but you sure scored high.
Black Sun Empire |
Proton Power
Amarr
Tleilex Developments
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Posted - 2008.12.03 14:59:00 -
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Originally by: Ray McCormack
Originally by: Proton Power
Cosmary
Yea I knew was not right but on very very slow internet worse than dial up, so didnt bother to go back and check out correct spelling and made my own up.
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Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.12.03 15:01:00 -
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Originally by: Proton Power
I am going to IRAQ in January, but will continue to help EBANK were I can, but not abadoning them per say.
Good lucky buddy.
Although id rather my tax dollars send you to go hang in that low sec again, shooting at pirates who brandish their rifles at cruise ships. Far more humor value in knowing someone who is gate camping pirates in RL than sending you to Iraq.
:)
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Proton Power
Amarr
Tleilex Developments
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Posted - 2008.12.03 15:05:00 -
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Originally by: Treelox
Originally by: Proton Power
I am going to IRAQ in January, but will continue to help EBANK were I can, but not abadoning them per say.
Good lucky buddy.
Although id rather my tax dollars send you to go hang in that low sec again, shooting at pirates who brandish their rifles at cruise ships. Far more humor value in knowing someone who is gate camping pirates in RL than sending you to Iraq.
:)
Thanks mate. Actually this time around I am going with Special Opps (Some De-Bombing Squad) and the Army. This will be my 4th tour but first with the Army so somthing new.
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Ray McCormack
hirr
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Posted - 2008.12.03 15:08:00 -
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Some good loving to be had in the army...
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Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.12.03 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: Proton Power
Originally by: Treelox
Originally by: Proton Power
I am going to IRAQ in January, but will continue to help EBANK were I can, but not abadoning them per say.
Good lucky buddy.
Although id rather my tax dollars send you to go hang in that low sec again, shooting at pirates who brandish their rifles at cruise ships. Far more humor value in knowing someone who is gate camping pirates in RL than sending you to Iraq.
:)
Thanks mate. Actually this time around I am going with Special Opps (Some De-Bombing Squad) and the Army. This will be my 4th tour but first with the Army so somthing new.
Them UDT guys are crazy......
I have a bruised liver and dead brain cells to prove it
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.12.03 15:13:00 -
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Originally by: Proton Power
Anyway my post was more of a joke than anything, even cosmary figured that out. I am not saying he is or isnt a scam being serious, I don't follow him well enough to say that, but I knew this would sell out quickly knowing others that like him.
Liar. You said what you said to spite Cosmo for the time Cosmo said the same thing about a friend of yours. You said it after is was already sold out. As for your real life situation: I wish you luck as I know naval forces are at risk patrolling the Persian gulf almost as much risk as any ground troop actually in Iraq. That being said, still doesn't remove the fact that you make your plans, build in no contingency for activation, and expect to get a bye on the irresponsible behavior? So, in retrospect, you should've kept your trap shut instead of trying to snipe. Once someone called you on it you should've bowed out politefully instead of being aggressive and trying to draw sympathy. As to your previous ventures... you are talking amongst people with the same accomplishments. You are better off just stroking one thing daily instead of adding in your much bigger ego.
To Shar -verb:
1 - To say what you mean.
2 - To say what it means.
3 - To say something mean. |
Proton Power
Amarr
Tleilex Developments
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Posted - 2008.12.03 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
Originally by: Proton Power
Anyway my post was more of a joke than anything, even cosmary figured that out. I am not saying he is or isnt a scam being serious, I don't follow him well enough to say that, but I knew this would sell out quickly knowing others that like him.
Liar. You said what you said to spite Cosmo for the time Cosmo said the same thing about a friend of yours. You said it after is was already sold out. As for your real life situation: I wish you luck as I know naval forces are at risk patrolling the Persian gulf almost as much risk as any ground troop actually in Iraq. That being said, still doesn't remove the fact that you make your plans, build in no contingency for activation, and expect to get a bye on the irresponsible behavior? So, in retrospect, you should've kept your trap shut instead of trying to snipe. Once someone called you on it you should've bowed out politefully instead of being aggressive and trying to draw sympathy. As to your previous ventures... you are talking amongst people with the same accomplishments. You are better off just stroking one thing daily instead of adding in your much bigger ego.
I said it as a nothing because I knew it would sell out (Or as you pointed out sold out prior), it didnt matter what I said. Your correct I said it due to our previous encounter but still does not change the fact that it was a joke, what I said had no effect what so ever on this. If you cant figure that out then you really need to learn to relax some and realize this is a GAME.
Per the RL Comment thanks. Per the plans, I make tons of plans and have lots of idea's. It's what I do, some are not worth even starting others are. Somtimes I bring them to MD to see how others feel about them. Like it or not its what I do and will continue to do.
No sypathy is needed, the fact remains you attacked what you think is a serious matter when most people that know anything about me, the previous thread with my friends bond, understand and know this is / was nothing more than a joke your trying to make bigger, even Cosmo replied a joking type thread after.
Only reason I brought up previous ventures is because you brought them up. I explained in other words that I have started 3, finished 1 off beyond expectations, closed 1 pre-maturly (still cant spell), and still with the 3rd.
Again you really need to learn to relax and try not to attack everything that is said, that is my main problem with you, it seems you take everything personal and don't realize this is not RL, its a GAME as said before.
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