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Animenick
Mobius Rising
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Posted - 2008.12.02 03:49:00 -
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This may just be me but in the last few weeks it seems as if belts in Hi-Sec just don't have ore. Now I know some areas get mined out heavily for periods of time. I know this so I've spent the last 3-4 days exploring to try to find halfway decent belts. I can't find anything decent. The sentiment of miners who I meet is the same. WTF is going on? It's like the belts aren't even spawning. Now granted I haven't traveled everywhere in hi sec but its been the same wherever I have gone. Is this something others are seeing as well or is it just me?
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Lord Zarcam
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2008.12.02 04:05:00 -
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Yes, I have noticed this myself since QR was released in my home system in the Kador region. Sometimes they do not respawn for 2 weeks. I was just thinking that with the holidays in the US, college students were out of school and mining during the day when I'm at work.
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Animenick
Mobius Rising
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Posted - 2008.12.02 04:12:00 -
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 Originally by: Lord Zarcam
Yes, I have noticed this myself since QR was released in my home system in the Kador region. Sometimes they do not respawn for 2 weeks. I was just thinking that with the holidays in the US, college students were out of school and mining during the day when I'm at work.
Yea, thats possible. Winter is coming so that always means more people on eve.
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Brock Nelson
Caldari
Flux Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2008.12.02 05:44:00 -
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Orca?
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Arnold Kruger
Superior Systems
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Posted - 2008.12.02 07:49:00 -
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Originally by: Brock Nelson
Orca?
Oh yeah. Good point. Seems everyone has one now. 
Damn that's a sexy lookin' ship though. I wish it looked like the Nostromo a bit though. That would be way cool.
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Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.02 09:22:00 -
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It's not just the look of the Orca.. everyone wants to test a large mining op with the Orca running bonuses. My corp had nearly everyone out mining for a whole day testing and took out many belts.. other corps and alliances have done the same. give it a month and it will be back to business as usual for the belts.
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Pwett
Minmatar
QUANT Corp.
QUANT Hegemony
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Posted - 2008.12.02 16:46:00 -
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This always happens after expansions - there are lots of dynamic variables that we are not aware of that regulate isk faucets into the game - this is most likely one of them. It takes a couple weeks for everything to normalize.
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Lady Natacha
Minmatar
Water and Power
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Posted - 2008.12.02 17:40:00 -
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Originally by: Barbara Nichole
It's not just the look of the Orca.. everyone wants to test a large mining op with the Orca running bonuses. My corp had nearly everyone out mining for a whole day testing and took out many belts.. other corps and alliances have done the same. give it a month and it will be back to business as usual for the belts.
This..
...and 4 isk/pu tritanium isn't helping stabilize things either.
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Animenick
Mobius Rising
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Posted - 2008.12.02 18:09:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Natacha
This..
...and 4 isk/pu tritanium isn't helping stabilize things either.
Yea, but is 4 p/u the cause of this problem or a result?
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Mernor Akat
Gallente
Black Bag Operations
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Posted - 2008.12.02 20:36:00 -
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It can't be the result, usually more supply means a lower price.
But hell I'm not complaining, 4 isk a unit is sweet.
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Karanth
Gallente
Independent Fleet
Space Exploration and Logistic Services
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Posted - 2008.12.03 02:12:00 -
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I dunno, I can get Omber and all sorts of other ores easily where I mine, and in good amounts like before.
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Smeck
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Posted - 2008.12.03 11:13:00 -
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Actually this is a normal game mechanic that has been around since Time began in EVE, well thats what i was told... heres how it works.
Every day at DT, the computer scans the universe and calculates ore depletion. in areas that are mined heavily constantly, the ore spawns less and less... and spreads out among other systems in different areas... basically if an area is mined heavily for so long, its going to splash the ore and move it to a new area. regions keep their rare ores, but the ores are moved around in concentration. like if its heavy in one constellation one month, then the next few months it will be low concentration and heavy in another constellation...
I dont know if im explaining this right, but basically the game mechanics prevent people from living in one system cause it ALWAYS spawns heavily... it spreads the ore out over time to prevent hordes, and people claiming systems in empire for mining purposes... i dont know if the same is true for 0.0... but maybe it is.
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Aion Amarra
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.12.03 11:32:00 -
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Smeck: First time I heared of that.
Afaik, the roids are supposed to respawn around twice a week, and grow over downtimes when they are not depleted. Which leads to huge rocks in systems that are never visited.
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Pwett
Minmatar
QUANT Corp.
QUANT Hegemony
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Posted - 2008.12.03 17:32:00 -
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Roids all have a maximum upper limit. For Veldspar roids, it's roughly 2 jetcans worth.
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Animenick
Mobius Rising
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Posted - 2008.12.03 21:19:00 -
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Originally by: Aion Amarra
Smeck: First time I heared of that.
Afaik, the roids are supposed to respawn around twice a week, and grow over downtimes when they are not depleted. Which leads to huge rocks in systems that are never visited.
This is where the real bot problem comes in. In my home system, there are around 4-5 bots. They mine 23/7 no matter the roid size. This means that even small roids are totally annihilated. It does seem to lessen the rock spawns.
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Lyvanna Kitaen
Minmatar
Noonday Sun Corp
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Posted - 2008.12.04 03:35:00 -
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I've been doing a lot of exploration recently. I always try to check out belts in out of the way systems. It used to be that you could always find low traffic systems here and there that weren't mined out. Recently, that's changed. Pretty much everywhere I look the big veld roids are gone. I think the price increase has made everyone and their brother head out to the belts to mine veld.
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AusTerror
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Posted - 2008.12.04 04:09:00 -
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Well in the last week I have found the biggest high sec asteroids I have ever seen.
I went back to a low traffic system I was once based in and it seems no one was really mining their.
Thus the roids were HUGE.
Post patch I have noticed no difference in what I haul in.
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Kordel Trask
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Posted - 2008.12.08 05:31:00 -
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I have to say I just noticed a huge depletion myself.
I hadnt' crunched any rocks for about 5 weeks prior to QR being release.
I checked out all of my old systems and they were all 'nada' for rocks.
One system with 14 belts had all but 1 completely wiped.
Not sure what if anything changed.
I do know that I always had at least 12 good belt's to work in that system before.
Basically, I'm clueless.
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Josie Kaiser
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Posted - 2008.12.08 09:35:00 -
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I have only been at this game for about two weeks and am adequately inexperienced in the mining field, however, I have flown some missions that contained a decent amount of large Veldroids and am wondering if it's worth the time / effort to track them down using this method.
I understand there may be a considerable amount of time between missions containing enough Veldspar, but when, if at all, does it compare to the time spent jumping from belt to belt, system to system in search of a decent haul?
I am also unsure about quantity, perhaps my mission mining method is only viable for fledgling miners and nothing more than a drop in the bucket for a larger strip miner.
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Animenick
Mobius Rising
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Posted - 2008.12.08 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: Josie Kaiser
I have only been at this game for about two weeks and am adequately inexperienced in the mining field, however, I have flown some missions that contained a decent amount of large Veldroids and am wondering if it's worth the time / effort to track them down using this method.
I understand there may be a considerable amount of time between missions containing enough Veldspar, but when, if at all, does it compare to the time spent jumping from belt to belt, system to system in search of a decent haul?
I am also unsure about quantity, perhaps my mission mining method is only viable for fledgling miners and nothing more than a drop in the bucket for a larger strip miner.
Your absolutely right about this. I had forgot about this possibility until you mentioned it. Its quite possible to run Lvl 4s with some mining barges standing by. Obviously the problem is the frequency of missions in which there are large roids.
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Spartus Raile
Gallente
Distinguished Gentleman's Boating Club
Burning Horizons
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Posted - 2008.12.08 15:37:00 -
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Everyone will have their own theroies, the likely scenario is that demand for minerals have risen, and so it has once again become more profitable to mine than say for example mission running (not for everyone though, obviously), therefore the amount of miners out will be higher than "usual" and so the belts don't last as long.
I have noticed the same thing, belts in systems are not lasting as long and it has caused me to move to a lower sec system, I suggest you all try something similar if your having problems, I seriously doubt any respawn mechanic has changed with QR.
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Red lensman
Gallente
BlackSky inc.
Vanguard.
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Posted - 2008.12.09 21:14:00 -
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Edited by: Red lensman on 09/12/2008 21:14:46
to many people mining to produce orca's and using orca's to do it
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Dave Davies
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Posted - 2008.12.09 22:29:00 -
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Edited by: Dave Davies on 09/12/2008 22:30:11
Originally by: Red lensman
Edited by: Red lensman on 09/12/2008 21:14:46
to many people mining to produce orca's and using orca's to do it
This.
The Orca has a mineral cost that's roughly comparable to 4 tier 2 battleships, and on top of that it's designed to be used by high sec miners. You think those miners are out hunting down hauler spawns? Hell no, they're mining it themselves on top of whatever else they're normally doing with the minerals they acquire... or at least I've got 5 ISK that says a lot of them are.
On the downside I'd guess that a pretty large percentage of people who mine with even just two accounts are looking to get into an Orca, even if it's just for hauling purposes. Hell, even with one account you can still haul your rigged hulk plus 12m units of minerals anywhere you'd like faster than a freighter, which is pretty handy.
On the upside I'd expect the Orca's attrition rate to be fairly low, so the market should fall off considerably at some point -- at which point the high sec belts should be less distressed, if indeed it's the Orca that's responsible here.
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Ky Vatta
Caldari
Majority 12
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Posted - 2008.12.10 14:55:00 -
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Originally by: Aion Amarra
Smeck: First time I heared of that.
Afaik, the roids are supposed to respawn around twice a week, and grow over downtimes when they are not depleted. Which leads to huge rocks in systems that are never visited.
AFAIK, only 2 ore types respawn twice a week, Omber and Kernite: all the others respawn after every daily downtime
Rocks only grow large if not mined (but for some reason Omber and Kernite growth is restricted)
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