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This NameTaken
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Posted - 2008.12.03 15:05:00 -
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My alt has started a new corp so we can set a pos in high sec. His standings with Caldari are over 6.0. The corp has been going for almost a week, and he did a storyline mission right after the corp was started. All of his corp standings are still at 0...... Anybody know what's up with that?
On a side note, I filed a petition about this a couple of days ago, still no answer. What's a guy got to do to get some customer support around here? I've actually filed petitions in the past that have timed out and closed before getting an answer. On that one, they answered right before they closed it saying it would fix it's self. Of course, that never happened! I don't understand why they don't work harder to keep long time customers happy. You know it's much more expensive to attract new customers than it is to maintain old ones THAT ARE PAYING THE BILLS! I'm not asking for much, just tell me how to fix the problem, or tell me to go away and play WOW. Or whatever the other game of the month is. <end rant>
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Tinker1947
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Posted - 2008.12.03 15:16:00 -
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Try looking at the Alt's standing with another Character......you should get 10 days standings rise with 1 storyline and storylines stack so do 2 one after the other and get 20 days rise time.....
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Sir Jake
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Posted - 2008.12.03 17:52:00 -
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New corps since patch has been taking 7 days to update with standings
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Bloody Rabbit
Jita Miners
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Posted - 2008.12.03 18:35:00 -
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 Originally by: Sir Jake
New corps since patch has been taking 7 days to update with standings
This,
It takes a member to be in a corp 7 days for the corp to reflect the standings on the new member. This works both ways so after you get to your magic spot, it will take 7 days from the joining of the member to reflect the new corp standings.
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Avalira
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.12.03 18:51:00 -
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Do you still have to do a storyline mission?
Originally by: CCP Tuxford
Its been fixed. All in all its one of the more embarrassing mistakes I made, but it made game design laugh. Now lets never speak of this again.
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Pwett
Minmatar
QUANT Corp.
QUANT Hegemony
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Posted - 2008.12.03 19:45:00 -
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No, now it basically just takes the average of all ACTIVE members in the corp every seventh day, with no other variables included.
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Pwett
Founder
<Q> QUANT Hegemony
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This NameTaken
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Posted - 2008.12.04 03:31:00 -
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Ok, thanks guys. It's good that you're here, cause I still haven't heard a responce from ccp. 
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Argyle Wynter
Minmatar
4 Marketeers
Rura-Penthe
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Posted - 2008.12.04 05:17:00 -
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Yes the standings thing is a little borked in the display.
Right click the Caldari standings in your corp tab. This should give the the option to "show composition". In that tab, you should be able to see your "true" current standing for your corp. If it shows zero there, you will need to run some additional missions to get it moving.
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Clansworth
Burning Sky Labs
Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2008.12.04 06:30:00 -
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Originally by: Argyle Wynter
Yes the standings thing is a little borked in the display.
Right click the Caldari standings in your corp tab. This should give the the option to "show composition". In that tab, you should be able to see your "true" current standing for your corp. If it shows zero there, you will need to run some additional missions to get it moving.
This is no longer the case. there is no need to run a mission to 'get it moving'. As there is no longer and moving involved. The standings have been simplified greatly (in an effort to reduce database work). Faction -> Corp standings is now equal to the average of the Faction -> Character standings (before skills) of all corp members who have been in corp for at least 7 days.
In the OP's case, it was a new corp, that hadn't been around 7 days yet, so obviously, no members had been in the requisite time, so there WERE no Faction -> Corp standings. On day 8, of a one person corp, the Faction -> Corp standings should equal Faction -> Lone Member (before skills).
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dobi woobie
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Posted - 2008.12.04 09:37:00 -
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Is it the average of all members or only of corp member with standings to that faction?
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Estel Arador
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.12.04 10:41:00 -
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Originally by: dobi woobie
Is it the average of all members or only of corp member with standings to that faction?
It's the average of corp members with a non-zero standing towards that faction. To make things interesting, a non-zero standing can be rounded to 0.0 if it's tiny...
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Kingslayer2
Gallente
Lords of Thunder
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Posted - 2008.12.04 13:19:00 -
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i have found that if you are running vista you might need to empty eve cache out.if you dont do it every once in a while your standing for the corp will take a long while to go up.
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Erin Holoborg
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Posted - 2008.12.04 14:55:00 -
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Although I can't claim to fully understand the standings calculations before or after QR, I can state that our POS corp lost ALL its faction standings, apparently due to a combination of two things:
1. A member violated our rule and ran one or more missions for (of all places!) State War Academy, gaining 0.7 standing with SWA but no other standings, and
2. The ninja change to the standings calculations apparently now includes a member with any standings at all into all the averaging calculations.
My understanding before the change was that our errant member should only have affected standings with SWA or possibly Caldari State (even though he had no standing with the latter). Before the change I had seen standings contractors come in and raise selected standings without affecting other standings.
Note that our faction standings didn't lower, they disappeared entirely. I don't know whether standings that were formerly >0 and then go to 0 disappear, but ours disappeared. All of them disappeared, including the Amarr Empire standings which were the basis for anchoring towers in hi sec Amarr space.
I petitioned it but responses from GMs have been entirely unsatisfactory. GMs don't seem to understand how the standings calculations worked before QR nor how they work now. This means that I have been unable to get a determination by petition of whether what happened is in fact the way the new calculations work or whether, as often happens, the patch had unintended consequences involving lost data.
I have checked with other POS corp owners who used contractors to raise their faction standings and they have not been affected since the change in the calculations. As far as I can tell the only difference between our corp and theirs is that we had one member who gained 0.7 standing with just one NPC corp unrelated to any of our important NPC corp or faction standings, yet all our faction standings disappeared. Our NPC corp standings remain as they were, with the addition of that 0.7 with an NPC corp we don't care about.
I'd still like to understand what's going on here, but since the petition responses were entirely unacceptable I informed the GMs that I will take what this has cost us out of CCP's revenue stream, which I am finding is often the only way to get reimbursement.
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Estel Arador
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.12.04 20:06:00 -
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Originally by: Kingslayer2
i have found that if you are running vista you might need to empty eve cache out.if you dont do it every once in a while your standing for the corp will take a long while to go up.
That's only a display problem/bug. The standings are changed but you just don't see that (yet) because they're cached and your client takes them from the cache instead of from the server.
Originally by: Erin Holoborg
2. The ninja change to the standings calculations apparently now includes a member with any standings at all into all the averaging calculations.
Have you checked the compositions?
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Passin Through
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Posted - 2008.12.04 20:32:00 -
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Originally by: Clansworth
This is no longer the case. there is no need to run a mission to 'get it moving'. As there is no longer and moving involved. The standings have been simplified greatly (in an effort to reduce database work). Faction -> Corp standings is now equal to the average of the Faction -> Character standings (before skills) of all corp members who have been in corp for at least 7 days.
So what you are saying is that no one needs to run any more storyline missions once they have standings high enough to gain the factional standings required.
Does this mean on the 7th day the corp suddenly shows this average? And if your alt is in a corp with no one else it will show that persons factional standing?
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Estel Arador
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.12.04 20:44:00 -
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Originally by: Passin Through
So what you are saying is that no one needs to run any more storyline missions once they have standings high enough to gain the factional standings required.
Correct. The only requirement is being in the corp for 7 days, nothing else is needed. I personally tested this by sitting in a corp doing nothing for 7 days 
Originally by: Passin Through
Does this mean on the 7th day the corp suddenly shows this average?
Almost correct. The standings will be updated the first downtime after the member has been in the corp for 7 days, so it will take 8 downtimes after joining for the standings to update.
Originally by: Passin Through
And if your alt is in a corp with no one else it will show that persons factional standing?
Correct.
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Pwett
Minmatar
QUANT Corp.
QUANT Hegemony
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Posted - 2008.12.04 21:11:00 -
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Originally by: Estel Arador
Correct. The only requirement is being in the corp for 7 days, nothing else is needed. I personally tested this by sitting in a corp doing nothing for 7 days
Actually there's two requirements
1) As you stated
2) The account is active
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Pwett
Founder
<Q> QUANT Hegemony
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Estel Arador
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.12.04 22:52:00 -
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Originally by: Pwett
Actually there's two requirements
1) As you stated
2) The account is active
I stand corrected; for obvious reasons I haven't been able to include the second requirement in my testing.
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Argyle Wynter
Minmatar
4 Marketeers
Rura-Penthe
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Posted - 2008.12.05 05:07:00 -
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Edited by: Argyle Wynter on 05/12/2008 05:11:10
Noted on the fact that you no longer need to run missions to get your standings moving.
We had this similar "no standings" issue with a jumpclone corp we just set up.
After two weeks the corp standings did not appear to update at all, but in the show compositions field, the correct standings were displayed. Additionally, you can see all the contributors to your corp standing and if anyone in particular is dragging your standings down.
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This NameTaken
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Posted - 2008.12.08 00:40:00 -
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Just an update for you guys. I finally got an answer to my petition. They replied that I must wait 7 days for my standings to update, just like others said here. Since they were so slow in answering, I only had to wait 1 more day. I'm now on day nine...... Still 0 standings. :(
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Vorte X
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Posted - 2008.12.08 11:18:00 -
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Edited by: Vorte X on 08/12/2008 11:22:22
As a part time standings merc :) I just wanted to say here that 7-8 days is too long, way too long.
Originally by: Erin Holoborg
Before the change I had seen standings contractors come in and raise selected standings without affecting other standings.
Yes this was possible before the changes, more so on the NPC Corp level as some standings are derivied. |
This NameTaken
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Posted - 2008.12.08 18:11:00 -
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New update.
After reading the info here, I tried to set up my pos even though my standings still claimed neutral. IT WORKED. I assume I need to clear my temp directory. I also got a similar answer on my petition. This last responce came in a much more reasonable amount of time.
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Carnage42
Amarr
Khar-Toba Factory
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Posted - 2008.12.09 18:21:00 -
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Don't know how it's working now due to the recent patch that modify the Corp Standing Calculation.
But before that patch, the only easy method to see your standing, was to erase the folder "MACHONET" of your cache & @ the next login you can check your real corp standing.
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