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Ivy Axisur	Posted - 2009.02.10 03:47:00 - [61] War-decking is lame and needs to go. High-Sec should be consensual PVP only. You cannot force someone to play with you, this is a GAME, and people play it for THEIR OWN enjoyment, not yours. That said, I doubt many actually quits, itÆs easy enough to drop to a NPC corp or create an alt-corp or two to move your guys too.
PrimaryIsYou	Posted - 2009.02.10 03:53:00 - [62] Originally by: Ivy Axisur War-decking is lame and needs to go. High-Sec should be consensual PVP only. You cannot force someone to play with you, this is a GAME, and people play it for THEIR OWN enjoyment, not yours. That said, I doubt many actually quits, itÆs easy enough to drop to a NPC corp or create an alt-corp or two to move your guys too. Heh.
Alekseyev Karrde Noir.	Posted - 2009.02.10 04:19:00 - [63] Yeaaah PVPers are subscribers too, and empire fighting is frought with problems already. If your corps keep collapsing because they get war dec'd *STOP JOINING WEAK CORPORATIONS TOO DUMB OR SPINELESS TO FIGHT BACK/TOUGH IT OUT*. Stop blaming others and take some personal responsibility for your associations. If war decs are broken in any way, it's that the only way to really "win" is for the attacker to get discouraged or the defender to disband. Would love to see more diverse goals added as mechanics but right now that's all the game itself supports. And yeah, i suppose decs to corps could be increased to 5mil instead of 2. Would make more sense. --- Zombie Apocalypse Guitar-Wielding Superteam
Ivy Axisur	Posted - 2009.02.10 04:48:00 - [64] Originally by: Alekseyev Karrde If your corps keep collapsing because they get war dec'd *STOP JOINING WEAK CORPORATIONS TOO DUMB OR SPINELESS TO FIGHT BACK/TOUGH IT OUT*. Stop blaming others and take some personal responsibility for your associations. There is plenty of unregulated PVP space in EVE. If ya want to fight, grow a pair and fight. Instead of looking for an easy win againt a mining corp. And ya, IÆm there too on occasion when IÆm in the mood for a fight.
Kalia Masaer Rosa Castellum	Posted - 2009.02.10 06:12:00 - [65] Edited by: Kalia Masaer on 10/02/2009 06:15:46 How many new players are going to stick out that sort of harassment that becomes the dominating event in their playing the game in the first couple months, all they think is that everyone in eve is a bunch of jerks and it isn't worth playing. How many of you who claim to be doing everything legitimately wouldn't start saying it was unfair if someone say as powerful as the Goons dec'd you and just sat camping your home stations 24/7 with superior ships and numbers. I wonder how many of you would just quit the game. This is more a matter of peoples lack of compassion than game mechanics. I like the fact that you can be war'dec at anytime by anyone. I don't even really have a problem with the extortion that is buisness and not an issue as long as the demands are reasonable considering the length of time the targets have been playing. It is when it crosses those lines I have a problem, there are people who war dec just to pad their killboard with easy kills and the enjoyment of making other people misserable. Perhaps if a corp suffers a certain number of losses and no kills of their own the war dec should expire and not be renewable for a certain length of time, it would seem in Concords interest not to let a peaceful corp be butchered. This would allow the pirates some kills and still protect newer players from excessive harassment.
bigbillthaboss2	Posted - 2009.02.10 07:38:00 - [66] Wardecs are fine, they should just have an "up front" payment b/c people can wardec a corp for a while without ever paying - ******ED. Then you get the message "Wardec has been canceled due to lack of payment from war'er" or whatever it says - GREAT, I lost 2 freighters and a marauder in highsec (hypothetically speaking) even though the guys never paid to get a chance to shoot at me!
Psihius Caldari Atomic Scrapyard	Posted - 2009.02.10 08:55:00 - [67] I think it just needs a few changes as whole: 1). Disallow entering other corp if you left a wardec'ed corp until wardec ends or for 2 weeks max (if wardec goes more that 2 weeks). 2). Make docking games more harder for corp, that wardec'ed your corp - if THEY wardec'ed you and don't want to fight - make it hard. That will stop pointless wardecs by carebear corps. 3). If player leaves wardec'ed corp many times, make a counter in it's info and restrict him from leaving corp for some time. The more he leaves, the more time he has to wait. 4). Make corps, with wardec and don't fight next time pay more. Make that exponential, like with skills. So that if first time it costs 10 mil, on 5-th time it costs a few hunder millions. Why such an opinion? I'm in a corp right now witch was wardec'ed with no apparent reason (corp is small and 80% are players playing eve for 1.5-2 months) - we are not afraid, we are willing to fight our enemy even we are smaller in numbers then they are. The thing is - they HIDE and make demands to pay them money to remove wardec. Isn't that just silly? The only thing that has changed for us - we have an enemy we have right to kill, but we haven't seen any around because they hide.
Alekseyev Karrde Noir.	Posted - 2009.02.10 10:41:00 - [68] Originally by: bigbillthaboss2 Wardecs are fine, they should just have an "up front" payment b/c people can wardec a corp for a while without ever paying - ******ED. Then you get the message "Wardec has been canceled due to lack of payment from war'er" or whatever it says - GREAT, I lost 2 freighters and a marauder in highsec (hypothetically speaking) even though the guys never paid to get a chance to shoot at me! War decers do pay upfront, that message is because they declined to pay for the second week. full disclosure i'm the CEO of a mercenary corporation. One of our most common job requests is wardecs, and it's a pretty even split between getting hired on corps to make their game unplayable and getting hired by corps who are being harassed (suicide gank, wardec, lowsec ganking w/e) by another entity. If anything, wars are too easy to duck for small corporations. --- Zombie Apocalypse Guitar-Wielding Superteam
Rordan D'Kherr	Posted - 2009.02.10 12:09:00 - [69] Edited by: Rordan D''Kherr on 10/02/2009 12:10:45 Originally by: Ice Caster Solution: Make war'dec cost more money or shorter, otherwise...or this trend will continue. -500 Mil for Alliance -100 Mil for Corp -Make war'dec 3 Days -Renewal fee is Double -Surrender option for victim, money goto CCP not pirates, Cost 5 mils to surrender Agreed, IF - victims do not get insurance payouts - war targets couldn't dock anymore during these 3 days. - targets must be logged on to count down these 3 days - Surrender costs 100 mil for corps and 500 mil for alliances, that goes to pirates - minus 10% commission which goes to my wallet EVE is a cruel game.
Cpt Constantinus Celestial Janissaries	Posted - 2009.02.10 14:24:00 - [70] Wardecs are perfectly fine. Get your people into frigs/cheap cruisers ( Rifters, punishers, those heathen Gallente frigs, Vexors, Arbis, Ruptures, Raxes are all perfectly capable pvp ships for newbies ) and learn to defend yourself. If that is too hard for your corp then go back to WoW.
Astria Tiphareth Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2009.02.10 14:33:00 - [71] walks into the thread, and looks surprised This thread is still going after two months? reads some posts Originally by: Ivy Axisur War-decking is lame and needs to go. High-Sec should be consensual PVP only. You cannot force someone to play with you, this is a GAME, and people play it for THEIR OWN enjoyment, not yours. Originally by: Cpt Constantinus Wardecs are perfectly fine. Get your people into frigs/cheap cruisers ( Rifters, punishers, those heathen Gallente frigs, Vexors, Arbis, Ruptures, Raxes are all perfectly capable pvp ships for newbies ) and learn to defend yourself. If that is too hard for your corp then go back to WoW. yawns at the same boring tired refrains (on both sides) from two months ago Seriously, get some new material to troll threads. It's getting dull reading the same arguments in every thread about this - or I don't know, actually talk about compromises like adults, instead of acting like immature children? walks out of thread
Cpt Constantinus Celestial Janissaries	Posted - 2009.02.10 15:42:00 - [72] Originally by: Astria Tiphareth walks into the thread, and looks surprised This thread is still going after two months? reads some posts Originally by: Ivy Axisur War-decking is lame and needs to go. High-Sec should be consensual PVP only. You cannot force someone to play with you, this is a GAME, and people play it for THEIR OWN enjoyment, not yours. Originally by: Cpt Constantinus Wardecs are perfectly fine. Get your people into frigs/cheap cruisers ( Rifters, punishers, those heathen Gallente frigs, Vexors, Arbis, Ruptures, Raxes are all perfectly capable pvp ships for newbies ) and learn to defend yourself. If that is too hard for your corp then go back to WoW. yawns at the same boring tired refrains (on both sides) from two months ago Seriously, get some new material to troll threads. It's getting dull reading the same arguments in every thread about this - or I don't know, actually talk about compromises like adults, instead of acting like immature children? walks out of thread So not agreeing with your opinion is trolling nowadays? Eve is and has always been a game where nonconsentual pvp is possible and valid. If you dont like it that way then play something else. The current wardec system needs no tweaks or improvements because it is already perfectly possible to defend yourself against wardecs. Of course, some people find the idea of actualy, you know, fighting their enemies abhorrent, but perhaps eve is the wrong game for them.
Falun Assad Caldari Shadows of the Dead	Posted - 2009.02.10 16:33:00 - [73] the wardec system doesnt need a fix, it needs adjustment! first of all there should be a goal setting mechanism aka victory condition that basically decides what ruleset applies to your war. secondly leaving a corp that is a war shoudlnt be as easy as it is today, imo once the wardec hits the deck it should take you at least 5 days to get out of there. thirdly, the cost to issue a wardec should be calculated by the factors membercount, combatrelevant skillpoints (or certificates), victory condition and number of wars already issued against your target. BTW: cheap ships like cruisers and frigs.... well guys just remember how much isk your first cruiser cost you... 4.9 mill is something i spend today without thinking about it, when i started out that was something completely different...
TimMc Gallente Pilots Of Honour Axiom Empire	Posted - 2009.02.10 16:42:00 - [74] War decs should cost proportionally based on size of aggressor and defender, not these insane static numbers. And there should be a surrender option, but needs to be hefty and partly controlled by the attacking corp.
Ivy Axisur	Posted - 2009.02.10 17:09:00 - [75] The War-Dec system is a prime example of why EVE, while successful, will never be a huge success. There simply arenÆt enough hard core players who enjoy unregulated PVP. CCP has created a system that awards aggression. The problem is that EVE is a realistic game with hard consequences, and in the real world most people will choose peace over chaos. Like reality, most players in EVE want to live under the protection of high-sec.
Astria Tiphareth Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2009.02.13 18:08:00 - [76] Originally by: Cpt Constantinus So not agreeing with your opinion is trolling nowadays? Eve is and has always been a game where nonconsentual pvp is possible and valid. If you dont like it that way then play something else. The current wardec system needs no tweaks or improvements because it is already perfectly possible to defend yourself against wardecs. Of course, some people find the idea of actualy, you know, fighting their enemies abhorrent, but perhaps eve is the wrong game for them. Heh you so completely misunderstood my point. Both sides are still arguing the same tired points of view (without any willingness to move on that or compromise) that cover the exact same argument that has actually raged for years and years in various threads. Hence the desire for new material. You can claim your viewpoint is the right one and that people who disagree should leave EVE all you like. It's not going to change the opposing side's view that you're only there to grief and irritate, whether you truly are or not. Neither side is being fair, and, it seems, are stuck on the idea of resorting to childish insults & rants and generally acting like children instead of looking at the problem from a perspective of trying to solve it. Your post is a classic example - I try and make the above point, albeit in a rather sarcastic manner, and you allege I'm the one who should leave EVE because I don't get non-consensual PvP. I find this amusing considering my corp tag clearly shows I'm in Factional Warfare. I've fought in both low and high sec and been podded in both. Curiously I can manage to see other people's points of view despite that. ___ My views may not represent those of my corporation, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties... Environmental Effects
Esmenet Gallente	Posted - 2009.02.13 18:29:00 - [77] Originally by: Ivy Axisur War-decking is lame and needs to go. High-Sec should be consensual PVP only. You cannot force someone to play with you, this is a GAME, and people play it for THEIR OWN enjoyment, not yours. That said, I doubt many actually quits, it’s easy enough to drop to a NPC corp or create an alt-corp or two to move your guys too. Wow is that way --->
Esmenet Gallente	Posted - 2009.02.15 01:55:00 - [78] Originally by: Ivy Axisur War-decking is lame and needs to go. High-Sec should be consensual PVP only. You cannot force someone to play with you, this is a GAME, and people play it for THEIR OWN enjoyment, not yours. That said, I doubt many actually quits, it’s easy enough to drop to a NPC corp or create an alt-corp or two to move your guys too. Wow is that way --->
Khrillian Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2009.02.15 01:59:00 - [79] Solution: join a real corp that can defend itself. Your 5 man corp might as well be an NPC corp.
Darwin's Market	Posted - 2009.02.15 04:03:00 - [80] this is a pvp game, the pve only exists to lure in carebears from wow in hopes you change into a pvper
Martha Lightyear	Posted - 2009.02.15 15:34:00 - [81] totally agree

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