EVE Search - Minmatar AF vs. Ishkur

All Channels

Ships and Modules

Minmatar AF vs. Ishkur

» Click here to find additional results for this topic using Google

Monitor this thread via RSS [?]

Pages: 1 2 :: [one page]
Author	Thread Statistics \| Show CCP posts - 0 post(s)
Burn Mac Minmatar The Tuskers	Posted - 2008.12.04 18:34:00 - [1] So ive been flying around in my jag and wolf a little since Ishkur Rise was released, and hell i cant think of a way to take it down i mean i cant fit lolbombs cause even if i did have cap for it and the ishkur pilot didnt just recall his drones it whould take about a minute to take out a set of warrior II's with it. I cant beat him in by simply trying to do business as usual (load up barrage try to tank his drones and take him out while avoiding his blasters in my falloff range). So all in all i need HAPL on how to take out an Ishkur with either a Wolf or a Jaguar... or should i simply just bring friends?
Mortuus Minmatar Fat J Elitist Cowards	Posted - 2008.12.04 18:38:00 - [2] Well, first off they are highly resistant to Kinetic damage, so Barrage is not the best choice. I always preferred to get in close with EMP or Hail ammo. Both tear them down fast. Hail you need to make sure you do not let him start a close orbit though.
Burn Mac Minmatar The Tuskers	Posted - 2008.12.04 18:52:00 - [3] Originally by: Mortuus Well, first off they are highly resistant to Kinetic damage, so Barrage is not the best choice. I always preferred to get in close with EMP or Hail ammo. Both tear them down fast. Hail you need to make sure you do not let him start a close orbit though. What i mustve been misinformed, there IS an actual use for Hail ammo post nerf? and with hail wont that put you in blasters optimal, and that plus his drones will outgank you?
Razie Minmatar 181st Legion	Posted - 2008.12.04 19:09:00 - [4] make him go away with a jag +tremor ? Vengence will be swift and violent.
Mortuus Minmatar Fat J Elitist Cowards	Posted - 2008.12.04 19:11:00 - [5] 400mm plate adds a LOT of HP. =) Same with the Jags MSE. And yes, Hail has uses. Mostly vs Gallente t2.
Burn Mac Minmatar The Tuskers	Posted - 2008.12.04 19:22:00 - [6] Originally by: Razie make him go away with a jag +tremor ? His drones will kill me alot faster than i will kill him with arties.
T'rek	Posted - 2008.12.04 19:59:00 - [7] Originally by: Burn Mac Originally by: Razie make him go away with a jag +tremor ? His drones will kill me alot faster than i will kill him with arties. start fitting smartbomb highs.
Mortuus Minmatar Fat J Elitist Cowards	Posted - 2008.12.04 20:26:00 - [8] I would use something like... 4x 150mm t2, arb rocket 1x Cold Gas Arcjet, 1x Scram t2 1x Small Armor Rep t2, 1x 400mm RT, 2x N-type energized of choice
yakks Prophets Of a Damned Universe Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2008.12.04 20:59:00 - [9] Edited by: yakks on 04/12/2008 21:00:21 Since Quantum Rise, I have yet to meet any other solo AF to beat my Ishkur either on tranquility or on Sisi. The only AF that gives me a run for my money are the Amarr AFs and the main issue with them are their tank and the range on their lasers. The best way to beat an Ishkur is either to stay out of my blaster range while taking out my drones(all 10 of them) then go in for the kill. Or use ECM before I can deploy my drones. These are just a few ways I can think of at the moment. yakks Hint: My lowest resist is EXP.
Dr Sheepbringer Gallente	Posted - 2008.12.04 21:06:00 - [10] If you can't kill him before his drones take you out...take out his drones. While doing that just hope he's got rails and not blasters. Otherwise he will fry your bottocks while you are dealing with his drones. Don't forget that those babies have guns + drones. I pretty much follow the rule that if it's a droneboat, bring friends. Stop whining.
Vanthropy Minmatar	Posted - 2008.12.04 21:09:00 - [11] [Wolf, New Setup 1] Damage Control II 400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Reactive Plating II Gyrostabilizer II Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters Faint Epsilon Warp Prohibitor I 200mm AutoCannon II, Hail S 150mm Light AutoCannon II, Hail S Rocket Launcher II, Phalanx Rage Rocket 150mm Light AutoCannon II, Hail S 200mm AutoCannon II, Hail S Projectile Collision Accelerator I Projectile Burst Aerator I "SPEED + GANK = SPANK... Spank that ***** up"
Grarr Dexx Amarr Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2008.12.04 21:09:00 - [12] Originally by: Burn Mac Originally by: Razie make him go away with a jag +tremor ? His drones will kill me alot faster than i will kill him with arties. Kill his drones, then? -----
Vanthropy Minmatar	Posted - 2008.12.04 21:12:00 - [13] ishkur is a blaster boat, but with this wolf fit, you out dps and out tank any fit an Ishkur might have. really, really really. "SPEED + GANK = SPANK... Spank that ***** up"
Felix Dzerzhinsky Caldari Wreckless Abandon G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.12.04 21:54:00 - [14] You have to kite it. . .if it gets a web on you. . .you are toast. Thats the way it should be. . .same logic from AFs to BBs. ---- ECCM is a Counter-measure not a defense.
Mortuus Minmatar Fat J	Posted - 2008.12.04 23:30:00 - [15] The Wolf will do slightly less DPS (187 vs 210), this includes drones. It will have almost 2x the EHP, and able to rep. Go ahead and close to blaster range if you want. Those 150's will have no trouble tracking.
Vanthropy Minmatar	Posted - 2008.12.05 01:52:00 - [16] im not sure which ship you are referring to in your post... the wolf can rep and has 2x ehp? "SPEED + GANK = SPANK... Spank that ***** up"
Megan Maynard Minmatar Out of Order	Posted - 2008.12.05 01:56:00 - [17] Plate, 200 mm, nos, small rep overheated with right ammo will cause a close fight.
Vanthropy Minmatar	Posted - 2008.12.05 02:19:00 - [18] is this the wolf you're talkin about megan? [Wolf, New Setup 2] Small Armor Repairer II 400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II Micro Auxiliary Power Core I 1MN Afterburner II Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Small Diminishing Power System Drain I 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] ive never flown a wolf like that... but it's not bad :) "SPEED + GANK = SPANK... Spank that ***** up"
Vaurion Infara Gallente Cloak and Daggers	Posted - 2008.12.05 02:25:00 - [19] Originally by: Vanthropy im not sure which ship you are referring to in your post... the wolf can rep and has 2x ehp? Wolf can't tank 5 warrior IIs plus 170 gun dps. Not in my experience anyway. Southside OMS yo'.
Vanthropy Minmatar	Posted - 2008.12.05 02:27:00 - [20] I wouldn't imagine... at least.. I've never tanked 90 dps in my wolf.. but I have dished out 300+ explosive damage with hail and pwned some blaster fits. "SPEED + GANK = SPANK... Spank that ***** up"
Corstaad Minmatar Vardr ok Lidskjalv	Posted - 2008.12.05 02:40:00 - [21] 170 DPS is pretty much you saying you have EFT balls. When it comes down to it you maybe get half that.
eXtas Atomic Battle Penguins	Posted - 2008.12.05 02:53:00 - [22] dunno how a jaguar with 2x medium extenders would do? you get 11-12k ehp ? not tryed to fight a ishkur with it but they are a pain to kill 3x 150mm II, rocket ? ab, point, 2x med extander 2x gyro, maux (maybe a dcu?) kin + exp resist rigs or core field extenders.. its fast and should be able to kill ze drones.. --------
Mortuus Minmatar Fat J	Posted - 2008.12.05 03:38:00 - [23] That DPS difference is the Wolf and the Iskur with drones accounted for. The DPS difference is not that much. The Wolf has a bunch more EHP. And yes, I have and will kill Iskurs in Wolves and Jags. But to show numbers you have to look at them each on paper. Wolf > Iskur if you know what you are doing. I would personally use RF EMP, damage is almost the same, and it cuts through the tank just as well.
Vanthropy Minmatar	Posted - 2008.12.05 04:05:00 - [24] Originally by: Corstaad 170 DPS is pretty much you saying you have EFT balls. When it comes down to it you maybe get half that. true, but then I can only assume that the same is relatively true of the ishkur. I'd probably use rf emp as well because i wouldn't wanna get kited by an ishkur with a t2 web and overdrive injector. "SPEED + GANK = SPANK... Spank that ***** up"
speed creature Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.12.05 05:46:00 - [25] well/ i can't see it above. but most iskurs like to go with a small armor rep. wolf works best passive with a dmg ctrl 400 plate and exp hardener. for this job at least exp hardeners makes his warrior II's laughable dps. your next trick is for that spare high you have. you need to squeeze a small neut on there. then just go in for the kill. dont ever waste your time trying to kill its drones. warrior IIs are a *** to hit evenn for 125 autos . negate his drones with an exp hardener and you win on overall dps. tried and tested. the mwd speed fitted iskur how ever . will ** you silly.
Burn Mac Minmatar The Tuskers	Posted - 2008.12.05 08:04:00 - [26] Maybe its my tracking skills but T2 AC's with RF EMP ammo wont track warrior II's even if i have webs on em. and even if i do it will have a second flight of em :/ and it will be really hard to take out the drones if i have some nano-jaguar w/ arties setup to kite the ishkur. But thx alot for the wolf setup i will try it out.
Burn Mac Minmatar The Tuskers	Posted - 2008.12.05 08:06:00 - [27] Originally by: speed creature well/ ... tried and tested. the mwd speed fitted iskur how ever . will **** you silly. Well i normally probe out the ishkurs when their baiting so i know that i will drop within 10 km of them, so i can rule that possibility out.
Nian Banks Minmatar Berserkers of Aesir	Posted - 2008.12.05 08:30:00 - [28] How about something like this? [Jaguar] High 3x 150mm Light AutoCannon II 1x Small Diminishing Power System Drain I Medium 1x Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster 1x Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction 1x Warp Scrambler II 1x 1MN Afterburner II Low 2x Gyrostabilizer II 1x Basic Capacitor Flux Coil Rigs 1x Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I 1x Core Defence Operational Solidifier I
Cpt Cosmic	Posted - 2008.12.05 08:39:00 - [29] Edited by: Cpt Cosmic on 05/12/2008 08:40:27 jag: Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Pseudoelectron Containment Field I Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Medium Shield Extender II 150mm Light AutoCannon II 150mm Light AutoCannon II 150mm Light AutoCannon II offline heat sink Projectile Collision Accelerator I Projectile Burst Aerator I wolf: Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Pseudoelectron Containment Field I 400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I 125mm Gatling AutoCannon II 125mm Gatling AutoCannon II 125mm Gatling AutoCannon II 125mm Gatling AutoCannon II offline heat sink Projectile Burst Aerator I Projectile Collision Accelerator I just gank the crap out of the ishkur and watch him die pretty fast (faction ammo + overheat is your friend)
Cyb3r Thr3at Southern Cross Empire	Posted - 2008.12.05 12:01:00 - [30] Edited by: Cyb3r Thr3at on 05/12/2008 12:02:41 Originally by: yakks Edited by: yakks on 04/12/2008 21:00:21 Since Quantum Rise, I have yet to meet any other solo AF to beat my Ishkur either on tranquility or on Sisi. The only AF that gives me a run for my money are the Amarr AFs and the main issue with them are their tank and the range on their lasers. The best way to beat an Ishkur is either to stay out of my blaster range while taking out my drones(all 10 of them) then go in for the kill. Or use ECM before I can deploy my drones. These are just a few ways I can think of at the moment. yakks Hint: My lowest resist is EXP. Actually.. a dual repped Vengeance can be pretty dangerous! found that out last night. 2008.12.04 21:19 Victim: *********** Corp: *********** Alliance: None Faction: NONE Destroyed: Ishkur System: Balle Security: 0.5 Damage Taken: 6090 Involved parties: Name: ******** (laid the final blow) Security: 5.0 Corp: ********** Alliance: None Faction: NONE Ship: Vengeance Weapon: Phalanx Rage Rocket Damage Done: 5697 Name: Serpentis Guard / Serpentis Corporation Damage Done: 393 Destroyed items: Federation Navy Antimatter Charge S, Qty: 34 ML-3 Amphilotite Mining Probe (Cargo) Federation Navy Antimatter Charge S, Qty: 780 (Cargo) Warrior II (Drone Bay) Dropped items: Federation Navy Antimatter Charge S, Qty: 17 Light Ion Blaster II Light Ion Blaster II Light Ion Blaster II Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters Small Capacitor Booster II Warp Scrambler II Small Armor Repairer II Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Cap Booster 100, Qty: 14 (Cargo) Null S, Qty: 2364 (Cargo) Warrior II, Qty: 2 (Drone Bay)
Vanthropy Minmatar	Posted - 2008.12.05 12:17:00 - [31] ^^ yep, blaster fit vengeance with a dual rep tank :) "SPEED + GANK = SPANK... Spank that ***** up"
Equilbrium	Posted - 2008.12.05 12:55:00 - [32] just finished training for the ishkur (or at least my alt has) and was wondering how things stack up when using EC-300 against another AS. The EC-600's i carry in my myrmidon (a little off topic i know) seem to shut down most, if not all ships I've encountered, that an the nos/neut + web/warp scram in the mids allows me to warp in behind the tackler and take over there role. Having never tried the EC-300's on anther assault ships I'm not sure of their effectiveness as of yet. if anyone has, I would be interested in how they performed. At the end of the day it doesn't matter how much DP you have if you cant us it
Burn Mac Minmatar The Tuskers	Posted - 2008.12.05 13:24:00 - [33] Originally by: Equilbrium just finished training for the ishkur (or at least my alt has) and was wondering how things stack up when using EC-300 against another AS. The EC-600's i carry in my myrmidon (a little off topic i know) seem to shut down most, if not all ships I've encountered, that an the nos/neut + web/warp scram in the mids allows me to warp in behind the tackler and take over there role. Having never tried the EC-300's on anther assault ships I'm not sure of their effectiveness as of yet. if anyone has, I would be interested in how they performed. At the end of the day it doesn't matter how much DP you have if you cant us it Considering that all AF:s have quite low sensor strength i guess you will totally pwn with. Now how many smartbombs do i need to fit untill they go poof?
Vanthropy Minmatar	Posted - 2008.12.06 06:15:00 - [34] if ur flying an ishkur you should never have a problem with enemy ecm drones as you lock faster than they can get a jam on u... or even before an enemy pilot could send them on you. "SPEED + GANK = SPANK... Spank that ***** up"

Pages: 1 2 :: [one page]

COPYRIGHT NOTICE
EVE Online, the EVE logo, EVE and all associated logos and designs are the intellectual property of CCP hf. All artwork, screenshots, characters, vehicles, storylines, world facts or other recognizable features of the intellectual property relating to these trademarks are likewise the intellectual property of CCP hf. EVE Online and the EVE logo are the registered trademarks of CCP hf. All rights are reserved worldwide. All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners. CCP hf. has granted permission to EVE-Search.com to use EVE Online and all associated logos and designs for promotional and information purposes on its website but does not endorse, and is not in any way affiliated with, EVE-Search.com. CCP is in no way responsible for the content on or functioning of this website, nor can it be liable for any damage arising from the use of this website.