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Kyt Thrace
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Posted - 2008.12.05 18:24:00 -
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Have been doing alot of level one missions now. I would like to do a little mining to keep making isk, but go AFK so I could do things around the house & not have to be at the pc all the time.
Is this possible & what would I need to get the most AFK time out of it, while making isk. I am of the Caldari race.
What ship, fittings? I have about half a million isk for this?
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highonpop
Gallente
Tri-Mining Corp
Ethereal Spawn
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Posted - 2008.12.05 18:32:00 -
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Edited by: highonpop on 05/12/2008 18:33:16
 Originally by: Kyt Thrace
Have been doing alot of level one missions now. I would like to do a little mining to keep making isk, but go AFK so I could do things around the house & not have to be at the pc all the time.
Is this possible & what would I need to get the most AFK time out of it, while making isk. I am of the Caldari race.
What ship, fittings? I have about half a million isk for this?
AFK mining is never a good thing. I do it sometimes. but only when i have to.
The problem with AFK mining, is you have to check your screen every few minutes. Once your cargo hold is full of ore, your lasers turn off.
The best thing for you to do is to get into a frigate with mining lasers. If you are just doing it to make extra ISK on the side, there is no need to train for barges or t2 stuff.
If you are industrail ship capable, then jetcan mining may be the best route. otherwise you will be constatnly warping in and out of the belt to unload your ore. and since frigates have a small cargo hold, you will not be able to stay AFK very long, since you will have to keep an eye on it.
AFK mining is also RARELY safe. Even if you are in highsec. Being that you will more than likely have to use a jetcan, being AFK opens you up to can flippers much more. Since you are a noob, people WILL target you for can flipping.
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Dyaven
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2008.12.05 18:36:00 -
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You can mine almost completely AFK, but it's far from efficient. Find a big ol' Veldspar roid, bring in an Industrial with Cargo Expanders, turn on the lasers and take a nap. However, I imagine in a few hours doing of this you'd make around the same amount of ISK as if you were mining in a frigate for 20 minutes.
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Xanos Blackpaw
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2008.12.05 18:44:00 -
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actualy its not a bad idea to fit a indy with a bunch of cargo expanders and a mining laser when you are just starting eve.
that way you can boost your economy alittle bit while being in school or at work...just leave it mining on a big ass veld rock and you might have an extra mil when you get back home.
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Crushed Ambitions
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Posted - 2008.12.05 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw
PS: HIGHSEC ONLY!!
When you're brand new (very low SP) I'd actually recommend only in .9 or 1.0 systems.. those frigate rats are just annoyances for decent pilots but for a noob in a hauler that goes AFK they'll eventually chew through his ship.
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Joe Starbreaker
Starbreaker Frigateers
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2008.12.05 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: Kyt Thrace
Have been doing alot of level one missions now. I would like to do a little mining to keep making isk, but go AFK so I could do things around the house & not have to be at the pc all the time.
Is this possible & what would I need to get the most AFK time out of it, while making isk. I am of the Caldari race.
What ship, fittings? I have about half a million isk for this?
Aren't you buying a GTC? What do you need to AFK mine for?
Furthermore, why would you pay to play a computer game and then seek an AFK strategy for making ISK. For pete's sake, go do something FUN in the game. Run missions. Ninja salvage. Both activities make much more than they cost, and you can get started with virtually nothing.
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Posted - 2008.12.06 01:53:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Starbreaker
Originally by: Kyt Thrace
Have been doing alot of level one missions now. I would like to do a little mining to keep making isk, but go AFK so I could do things around the house & not have to be at the pc all the time.
Is this possible & what would I need to get the most AFK time out of it, while making isk. I am of the Caldari race.
What ship, fittings? I have about half a million isk for this?
Aren't you buying a GTC? What do you need to AFK mine for?
Furthermore, why would you pay to play a computer game and then seek an AFK strategy for making ISK. For pete's sake, go do something FUN in the game. Run missions. Ninja salvage. Both activities make much more than they cost, and you can get started with virtually nothing.
I can totally see the need for that strategy. Some of us have laundry to do, dishes, cleaning up the house. The fun stuff is what we do while we arent doing that. That said, there is no true afk mining really. You can only go AFK for as big as your hold is, but even when I do that, Im still in ears reach of the computer so I can hear the rats chewin on my shields. It's not something I would suggest doing unless you CAN hear the computer should they come to attack, at least when you're new. Also, as a Caldari, you might want to get an Osprey. Isnt too much training away from frigates and its built to mine as a cruiser. toss in a few civi mining drones and 2 mining lasers and you're rockin
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Wayson
Minmatar
Trans Nebula Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.06 08:21:00 -
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AFK mining is only really 'safe' for newbie players if done in 0.9-1.0 systems. For highsec in general having a flight of light drones orbiting your ship is usually enough protection; I guess you could also rig up some sort of permatank on an industrial. For lowsec and 0.0 you're just gankbait, even in a permatanked Hulk; don't afk mine there.
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Case Kovaks
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2008.12.06 10:50:00 -
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The problem with indistrial mining is it takes so long to fill a cargo hold. Yes, you will get some ore in an hour but you are really looking at 5-6 hours to fill some of the larger holds (and most roids only last for 3h or so).
If you really want to make AFK cash find an item on the market where there is a decent difference between the highest buy order and the lowest sell order and then place a buy order higher than the one there (which means everyone sells to you since you are offering the most) and then set a sell order under the lowest one there (which means everyone buys off you becuase you are cheapest).
For instance, item A. Best sell order is 400k, best buy order is 200k. Place a by order at 210k and then start selling them at 390k. You make (minus taxes) 180k off each sale which is basically an entire days AFK mining for every item you sell. Its not uncommon to find a niche which gives you 700k profit of every sale. Just remember to keep an eye on orders to see if you are undercut and to check the volume of sales before placing order using the table part of the price history tab (in the market window).
This is called margin trading.
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Flavan
Gallente
legion industries ltd
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Posted - 2008.12.08 02:30:00 -
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Originally by: Case Kovaks
The problem with indistrial mining is it takes so long to fill a cargo hold. Yes, you will get some ore in an hour but you are really looking at 5-6 hours to fill some of the larger holds (and most roids only last for 3h or so).
Roids don't pop after 3 hours.
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Ardene System
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Kyt Thrace
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Posted - 2008.12.08 13:57:00 -
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Thanks for everyones help.
I have decided to buy me a Badger II & put a laser miner on it. Go to .9/1.0 space & find a big o roid & start the mining.
This is just to have me doing something to make some isk, while doing housechores & giving my dog some attention. I do keep an eye on it, just in case the roid pops & I have to change to another one.
Yes I know this is not the most efficent way to mine, but I can make money when I have other things to do.
Thanks again for you help,
Kyt
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Mara Rinn
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.12.08 15:03:00 -
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Depending on the time you spend away from the keyboard, you might be better off fitting your Badger with Mining Laser Upgrade I modules. This will make slightly better use of your ship's time, and covers the usual case for hisec belts where the valuable asteroids (Veldspar, mostly) are smaller than your ship's hold.
If your ship is still mining the rock when you get back, and the hold is not full, swap out the cargo expanders for MLUs. If the hold is not full and the laser is not going, you picked a rock that was too small. Use the Survey Scanner module to pick rocks with large volumes of ore.
At present, Veldspar is the highest value hisec ore - though Kernite has its uses if you're willing to haul 9000m3 of it to a storyline agent station.
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Borun Tal
Minmatar
Virtual Rock Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.08 18:11:00 -
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It's absolutely possible. My best suggestion would be to train up drones & scout drones, get a ship with a decent drone bay (30-50 m3 or more), and drop some Hammerheads in there. Launch the drones when you start the mining, and go vacuum your apartment. :) My mining ships run the gamut from Exequror to Vexor, Brutor, etc. I prefer Gallentean ships myself, but don't have anything against any of the others.
Originally by: Kyt Thrace
Have been doing alot of level one missions now. I would like to do a little mining to keep making isk, but go AFK so I could do things around the house & not have to be at the pc all the time.
Is this possible & what would I need to get the most AFK time out of it, while making isk. I am of the Caldari race.
What ship, fittings? I have about half a million isk for this?
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highonpop
Gallente
Tri-Mining Corp
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2008.12.08 18:25:00 -
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mining in an industrial is about as efficient as throwing a rock at a train....
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Estagado
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Posted - 2008.12.08 18:53:00 -
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Originally by: highonpop
mining in an industrial is about as efficient as throwing a rock at a train....
Yes, and if you throw enough rocks (about 4 million, according to my math), it'll stop.
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Borun Tal
Minmatar
Virtual Rock Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.08 20:45:00 -
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Originally by: highonpop
mining in an industrial is about as efficient as throwing a rock at a train....
if you think that, then you obviously aren't doing something right. ;) Didn't you say yourself that you rarely mine, anyway ("I do it sometimes. but only when i have to")? Sitting 1400m off a well-placed GSC in a rig with 3-4 T2 miners = a quickly filled GSC.
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2008.12.08 23:58:00 -
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Originally by: Kyt Thrace
Thanks for everyones help.
I have decided to buy me a Badger II & put a laser miner on it. Go to .9/1.0 space & find a big o roid & start the mining.
This is just to have me doing something to make some isk, while doing housechores & giving my dog some attention. I do keep an eye on it, just in case the roid pops & I have to change to another one.
Yes I know this is not the most efficent way to mine, but I can make money when I have other things to do.
Thanks again for you help,
Kyt
You did the right thing. A few suggestions though.
1) The Badger is the worst of the top end Industrials, if you cross train for some others you'll get more space. But I've used Badger II's myself. *shrug* Mostly I've used Bestowers which are easy to get into and have 4 low slots for cargo expanders but I like the Mammoth the best. It's just a little steep to get into as you have to be at Min Indy IV. Iteron V's are supposed to hold the most but they're kind of thin skinned - and you've got to have Gal Indy V to get one. Just use the Badger until you can afford something better. One advantage of cross training for those industrials is you'll be cross trained for their frigates as well.
2) When you can afford them go with the Expanded Cargo Hold II's. Until then use the I's.
3) Train Mining to Level IV and then get a Miner II when you can afford it. Much better output than even the named ones. Then train Mining to Level V. It's a level 1 skill so it doesn't take that long.
4) For transporting your minerals to market (assuming you refine them ... which is more miner training ...) Giant Secure Containers hold 3900m3 worth of stuff but only take up 3000m3 worth of space. Don't use them for AFK mining though as there is no way to tell the ship to put the ore into the containers.
5) If you get a second account - you can have your miner mining in an indy while you run missions with the other guy. Alternatively - if you do decide to do some serous mining - you can get a real miner character and put him in a real mining vessel then team mine with the guy in the indy. Just put a book mark in a jet can to keep it open for them to swap ore through. Yes - what I just said means both guys have indys but - that is what you want to do. Everyone should have an industrial, it's just to useful not to have one.
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Mara Rinn
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.12.09 08:32:00 -
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I would advise against using combat drones while AFK mining. Someone comes along and flips your can, they turn blinky red, the drones attack, they kill you.
Just mine in hisec! The most valuable ore at the moment is veldspar anyway.
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Borun Tal
Minmatar
Virtual Rock Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.09 08:38:00 -
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Originally by: Mara Rinn
I would advise against using combat drones while AFK mining. Someone comes along and flips your can, they turn blinky red, the drones attack, they kill you.
Just mine in hisec! The most valuable ore at the moment is veldspar anyway.
For myself, I don't use jetcans... Only GSC's... As for the "most valuable" thing, one needs to keep in mind that not everybody sells what they mine. I refine my own and manufacture my own ships, missile, modules, etc, so I only sell on the market when I need a quick infusion of cash. Being able to supply your own Hammerheads, Exequrors, Ospreys, mining & ice harvesting upgrades, missiles, etc has it's advantages... If I'm stupid enough to lose a jettison'd can between a miner and a cargo loader I deserve what happens. :) Never had one single problem with scout drones, and they keep the baddies off you long enough to give you time to react.
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