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Hauleralt0002	Posted - 2008.12.06 04:50:00 - [1] Down and dirty I think this ship still has what it takes to be one of the best roamers in the game. You are fast enough to outrun anything thing that can kill you and you can kill anything fast enough to tackle you. Highs: 5x 220 T2 w/barrage 1x Medium Energy Neut T2 Mids: 1x 10mn MWD T2 1x 24k Warp Disruptor T2 1x Fleeting Webber 1x Large Shield Extender Lows: 3x Gyros T2 2x Nanofibers T2 Rigs: 2x Abit Extensions (fall off rigs) Drones: 5x Warrior T2s With somewhat ok skills/ implants you top out over 3k straight line and over 450 without MWD on. Anything gets to close neut+web+drones can take care of it.
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.12.06 06:05:00 - [2] Personally, on a ship with as weak of a cap as the Vagabond, I don't think the neut really helps anything. It's only going to be effective on the smallest of ships, and you'll be dumping copious amounts of cap between your MWD and the neut. Plus, it's terrible range means if you can neut them you already have them webbed anyway. I'd probably just stick a launcher up there instead, but then again I don't fly the accursed things.
Mortuus Minmatar Fat J	Posted - 2008.12.06 09:21:00 - [3] I still think the best fit is such: 5x 425mm t2, 1x standard launcher 1x MWd t2, 1x Scrambler t2, 2x LSE t2 1x OD t2, 1x PDU t2, 3x Gyro t2 Rig to taste Use warrior 2's on any frig within scram range, or vs things like afs just keep distance at 9km. I have yet to run into any small ship that can stop me, in fact killing another vaga and a raptor at the same time, with no trouble at all. 434 DPS without drones, with drones it gets into the 500's. Not bad for a small fast ship that can still outrun trouble with ease. No the guns do not have trouble tracking, because you are not using the MWD to orbit.
Sun Sliver Minmatar SEPTAGON TRANS-ILLUMINATI CORPORATION	Posted - 2008.12.06 18:55:00 - [4] Originally by: Mortuus No the guns do not have trouble tracking, because you are not using the MWD to orbit. pre patch i would have agreed with you, but damn me if a i couldn't hit an ishkur for just about nothing, drones did more dmg than me with that setup. Now you add a te or 2 there i dont think its an issue
Artemis Rose Sileo In Pacis	Posted - 2008.12.06 19:33:00 - [5] Your buffer isn't strong enough to be inside your neut range, I think you would be best be served with a launcher instead. *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats
Mortuus Minmatar Fat J	Posted - 2008.12.06 19:35:00 - [6] Do not ORBIT an AF. Use keep at range and keep transversal low. I usually pop frigates in 2-3 volleys, or about 6 seconds.
Faife Noctiscion	Posted - 2008.12.06 19:44:00 - [7] Originally by: Hauleralt0002 Down and dirty I think this ship still has what it takes to be one of the best roamers in the game. You are fast enough to outrun anything thing that can kill you and you can kill anything fast enough to tackle you. Highs: 5x 220 T2 w/barrage 1x Medium Energy Neut T2 Mids: 1x 10mn MWD T2 1x 24k Warp Disruptor T2 1x Fleeting Webber 1x Large Shield Extender Lows: 3x Gyros T2 2x Nanofibers T2 Rigs: 2x Abit Extensions (fall off rigs) Drones: 5x Warrior T2s With somewhat ok skills/ implants you top out over 3k straight line and over 450 without MWD on. Anything gets to close neut+web+drones can take care of it. ditch the web (you're fighting in falloff, remember? hence the rigs?), ditch the neut, fit a second LSE, ditch a gyro for a tracking enhancer. -- i am a humble and inefficient ammo to dps converter
Diomidis Amarr Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.06 21:10:00 - [8] Originally by: Faife ditch the web (you're fighting in falloff, remember? hence the rigs?), ditch the neut, fit a second LSE, ditch a gyro for a tracking enhancer. Isn't that TE a bit of a waste there? I mean, half it's bonuses (optimal range increase) is useless for a pure-falloff fighting ship like the vaga...is the tracking increase good enough to justify losing one Gyro? Then why don't switch to Dual 180s for superior tracking and superior DPS ? 5x Dual 180s II + Barrage + 3x Gyros II = 366 turret DPS, 0.1237 tracking 5x 220s Vulcan II + Barrage + 2x Gyros II + 1x TE II = 347 turret DPS, 0.1206 tracking Join the Biggest Greek Corp! www.Mythos-eve.com - Join Mythos Channel in game!
Rudolf Miller Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.	Posted - 2008.12.06 21:38:00 - [9] On SiSi I took a blarpy with a scarm and AB and took out a vaga.. his guns did no damage and I tanked his drones. I was going 918 m/s and he wasn't moving. Of course the solution here was he should have webbed me but that wasn't on his fit. Either way it would have been tough to take me out at 2,500 m considering tracking.
stopdropandlol Gallente F.R.E.E. Explorer Elitist Cowards	Posted - 2008.12.06 22:08:00 - [10] Originally by: Rudolf Miller On SiSi I took a blarpy with a scarm and AB and took out a vaga.. his guns did no damage and I tanked his drones. I was going 918 m/s and he wasn't moving. Of course the solution here was he should have webbed me but that wasn't on his fit. Either way it would have been tough to take me out at 2,500 m considering tracking. uhh what does it matter if you killed him while he was stopped.

Diomidis Amarr Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.06 23:03:00 - [11] A MWDing ceptor catching and scramming a Vaga is sth I know is possible... Now, we cannot judge the usefulness of a still nice HAC (perhaps the only nano HAC left), by a silly mistake...it's not like the norm a scramming, ABing AF catching a Vaga that would normally zoom around it 3-4 times faster... Should ceptors retain their previous sig radius penalties, the Vaga with Dual 180s would be almost unbeatable as a ceptor / frig killer. It's still nice tho... Join the Biggest Greek Corp! www.Mythos-eve.com - Join Mythos Channel in game!
Mortuus Minmatar Fat J	Posted - 2008.12.06 23:35:00 - [12] Neut/Missile + Scram + Warrior 2's = dead ceptor pretty fast. If an AF locks you down you are a failure.
Marcus Druallis Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.07 00:48:00 - [13] Originally by: Faife Originally by: Hauleralt0002 Down and dirty I think this ship still has what it takes to be one of the best roamers in the game. You are fast enough to outrun anything thing that can kill you and you can kill anything fast enough to tackle you. Highs: 5x 220 T2 w/barrage 1x Medium Energy Neut T2 Mids: 1x 10mn MWD T2 1x 24k Warp Disruptor T2 1x Fleeting Webber 1x Large Shield Extender Lows: 3x Gyros T2 2x Nanofibers T2 Rigs: 2x Abit Extensions (fall off rigs) Drones: 5x Warrior T2s With somewhat ok skills/ implants you top out over 3k straight line and over 450 without MWD on. Anything gets to close neut+web+drones can take care of it. ditch the web (you're fighting in falloff, remember? hence the rigs?), ditch the neut, fit a second LSE, ditch a gyro for a tracking enhancer. Neut is very good for webbing ceptors. Pretty much the neut is there when its a do or die situation. --
Lilith Velkor Minmatar DEATH'S LEGION Red Box.	Posted - 2008.12.07 08:13:00 - [14] Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 07/12/2008 08:21:54 Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 07/12/2008 08:20:17 Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 07/12/2008 08:16:52 Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 07/12/2008 08:14:40 Originally by: Diomidis Should ceptors retain their previous sig radius penalties, the Vaga with Dual 180s would be almost unbeatable as a ceptor / frig killer. It's still nice tho... If said ceptor is orbiting in scrambler range, I don't see 180s hitting him really, regardless of him running mwd or not. A single web will not help that much if the ceptor has one too since he still can dictate range very easily and crawl into a 500m orbit once you are scrambled. Warrior IIs are the best bet, apart from killing him quick before he gets into scram range, but then again its not like the vaga couldnt tank a ceptor long enough for its drones to grind him down, only when they show in packs it can get ugly.
Diomidis Amarr Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.07 08:37:00 - [15] Originally by: Lilith Velkor Originally by: Diomidis Should ceptors retain their previous sig radius penalties, the Vaga with Dual 180s would be almost unbeatable as a ceptor / frig killer. It's still nice tho... If said ceptor is orbiting in scrambler range, I don't see 180s hitting him really, regardless of him running mwd or not. A single web will not help that much if the ceptor has one too since he still can dictate range very easily and crawl into a 500m orbit once you are scrambled. Warrior IIs are the best bet, apart from killing him quick before he gets into scram range, but then again its not like the vaga couldnt tank a ceptor long enough for its drones to grind him down, only when they show in packs it can get ugly. Exactly. Dual 180s cannot track an orbiting ceptor, neither could before scram changes, where webbing ceptors could catch a Vaga for roughly the similar effect - your speed when 90% webbed was roughly the same as it is now without MWD. Even with incresed sig radiuses, a ceptor orbiting you at <3500 m/s in a close orbit is almost impossible for medium guns to hit. The good part with Dual 180s, is that their huge RoF increases the probability of critical hits, along with better quality hits due to the better tracking against small targets. The bad think is, their RoF eats up a lot of ammo pretty quickly...this is not the weapon of choice to rat-in or to chew-off huge buffers/tanks...as an anti-frig weapon works perfect tho. The key for a Vaga was and still is, manually flying AWAY from an incoming ceptor, thus lowering the transversal speed considerably and making it easier for you to track...the Vaga is a ship designed for ranged fights - even against smaller ships. Now that the speed gap between the average ceptor and the average vaga hugely favours the ceptors, Vaga pilots should never forget it. And I tend to think the Med Neut is not useless...it wasn't before QR, it isn't now that swarms of Inty and AF pilots roam systems to try out their new "signature tanks" packing scrams. I tend to think it as a last solution weapon, and 1 - maybe 2 - cycles is all you get before hurting yourself more than the frig, but that's usually enough and it's not like a web would have a better chance saving you when you are finally scrammed... Join the Biggest Greek Corp! www.Mythos-eve.com - Join Mythos Channel in game!
Lilith Velkor Minmatar DEATH'S LEGION Red Box.	Posted - 2008.12.07 09:49:00 - [16] Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 07/12/2008 09:50:59 Quote: And I tend to think the Med Neut is not useless...it wasn't before QR, it isn't now that swarms of Inty and AF pilots roam systems to try out their new "signature tanks" packing scrams. I tend to think it as a last solution weapon, and 1 - maybe 2 - cycles is all you get before hurting yourself more than the frig, but that's usually enough and it's not like a web would have a better chance saving you when you are finally scrammed... Lots different opinions on this, I personally dont think the neut is a good choice, as its useless most of the time, and in that specific scenario (scrammed and webbed by ceptor/AF), it only really works well together with a web anyway. It is seen as a last resort option, but imo if I wind up in a situation where I needed it I'd not want to cap myself out in the vaga. I'll rather keep my warriors for this purpose and only release them when I'm really in trouble, worked fine so far.
Hauleralt0002	Posted - 2008.12.08 22:57:00 - [17] The neut is a must I think to make you be able to 100% kill any frig. There are some frigs that can tank a set of warrior 2s. That being said what do you think the last mid slot should be?
Lilith Velkor Minmatar DEATH'S LEGION Red Box.	Posted - 2008.12.09 04:22:00 - [18] I usually go with a t2 assault launcher, also tried heavy missile and HAMs but liked the light missiles best in the end for various reasons, them helping against frigates is one of those. Even got a few precisions in cargo (I could still go 2.9k with them loaded), but never actually fired one as I figure the difference to faction lights is rather small.
Mortuus Minmatar Fat J Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.12.09 04:27:00 - [19] One reason I use the 2pt scram, makes any frigate within range die so fast.
Solid Prefekt Minmatar Haven Front	Posted - 2008.12.10 16:41:00 - [20] Originally by: Lilith Velkor Lots different opinions on this, I personally dont think the neut is a good choice, as its useless most of the time, and in that specific scenario (scrammed and webbed by ceptor/AF), it only really works well together with a web anyway. Disagree. After the patch I fitted a Neut and so far I have had 2 Intys try to tackle me, one doing it Solo. Both died quickly and I did not have a web fitted. And I have barely taken the Vaga out as I have been flying the Muninn/Rapier much more. It seems that T2 AB fitted Frigs get all wet when they see a HAC now as they want to go tackle it to show off their new buffs. And it is easier to use a Neut now as the MWD now uses less cap. 2 pumps of the Neuts is all you need to take down any T2 frig. With no juice they can't kill your MWD nor can they use their AB. You just start to pull away (which reduces their transversal) and they die QUICKLY. Or just have your Warriors take care of them. At this moment I am sold on fitting a Neut on a Vaga as I would have died in one of those engagements had I fitted a missile launcher.

P'uck	Posted - 2008.12.12 06:14:00 - [21] I'm going out on a limb here, I never flew vagas, but I'd say SOME sort of frig defense sub 10k (other than drones) is really beneficial. I'd say, pick either a web or a neut... and since I'd deem the medslot more useful, I'd probably pack a neut, but hey, what do I know.


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