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Souchi son
Souchi son Corporation
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Posted - 2012.04.10 15:59:00 -
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Why can't we purchase SP,
- To upgrade your char your forced to buy a new char and just make sure that new char has what you want or wait a few years
- Why not just sell SP like plex.
It seems silly to make people jump through hoops to upgrade your SP, you could charge real money or isk.
People are basicly doing this and it just seems overly complex and unnessary, buying an alt is all good but i think a lot more people would rather focus in on an original char perfect from scratch no wasted SP.
Buying a second alt is handy for hauling or career changes. It could also create an isky dump for older players. For new players it might not be so tough leveling up basic skills as well.
Regards SS. |

Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks
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Posted - 2012.04.10 16:08:00 -
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For god's sake, before you post search for other posts like the one you posted. Then you'd see the plethora of reasons why not.
To cut a long story short, this isn't WoW. If you don't have patience this is NOT the game for you. |

Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks
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Posted - 2012.04.10 16:09:00 -
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P.S. The only reason I haven't listed the reasons is that I'm simply not doing your searching for you. It's like asking someone on the computer next to the one you're on to google something for you. If you can't do it yourself you shouldn't be using a computer. |

Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
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Posted - 2012.04.10 16:15:00 -
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Because kestrel.
--Will Support Your Terrible Forum Thread For ISK-- |

Rimase
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
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Posted - 2012.04.10 16:28:00 -
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Because bots. Because economy. Because progression. Because perseverance. Because corporate business wars. Because empire sovereign wars. Because of fairness. Because of control. Because of power. (Why CCP no improve Shareholding?): https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=71032#post71032 |

Zyress
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.10 16:49:00 -
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Personally I don't like the character market either, but to the core of the matter, Pay to win ruins the game. End of statement |

Zyress
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.10 16:52:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Because kestrel.
and don't be trashin my Kessies |

Aranakas
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.04.10 16:55:00 -
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Zyress wrote:Personally I don't like the character market either, but to the core of the matter, Pay to win ruins the game. End of statement
Then Character Bazaar should be done away with too. Aranakas CEO of-įGreen Anarchy Green vs Green |

Souchi son
Souchi son Corporation
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Posted - 2012.04.10 17:10:00 -
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Seems silly and backwards.
Eve allows the entire sale of characters but not minor improvements on original character.
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Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
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Posted - 2012.04.10 17:14:00 -
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Souchi son wrote:Seems silly and backwards.
Eve allows the entire sale of characters but not minor improvements on original character.
Because those characters had to be skilled up at one point by someone.
You can't buy SP, period. Someone had to go through the time. |

Aranakas
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
278
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Posted - 2012.04.10 17:34:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:Souchi son wrote:Seems silly and backwards.
Eve allows the entire sale of characters but not minor improvements on original character.
Because those characters had to be skilled up at one point by someone. You can't buy SP, period. Someone had to go through the time.
And if you increase your skill point, you're the one who skilled up that character.
The difference is......?
It has no effect on the economy. The only difference is that one way will be defended to the death by used character salesmen scum. Aranakas CEO of-įGreen Anarchy Green vs Green |

Xercodo
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2012.04.10 17:41:00 -
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Here's a suggestion, let people buy SP but only up to a monthly limit based on their worst attribute training times. Once you hit that limit you are not allowed to train until the next 30 day period.
Acceleration for the kiddies but fairness to everyone else.
This would mean that EVE could become WAY more attractive for new players that have a bit of extra cash as they could accelerate the first 30 days to jump up to already training stuff like electronics, engineering, navigation, energy management, the boring but essential skills. Let them insta train to a BC so they don't have the agony of waiting. They won't care that they cant train for the rest of the month cause they already got the stuff they wanted. If they train something and then suddenly decide they want something else then too bad, you screwed up, live with your mistakes, this is EVE; have fun waiting 29 days to train anything new. The Drake is a Lie |

RatKnight1
The Dude's Interstellar Enterprizes Quixotic Hegemony
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Posted - 2012.04.10 18:20:00 -
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Because eve is not pay to win.
kthx gb2wow |

Velicitia
Open Designs
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Posted - 2012.04.10 18:38:00 -
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Xercodo wrote:Here's a suggestion, let people buy SP but only up to a monthly limit based on their worst attribute training times. Once you hit that limit you are not allowed to train until the next 30 day period.
Acceleration for the kiddies but fairness to everyone else.
This would mean that EVE could become WAY more attractive for new players that have a bit of extra cash as they could accelerate the first 30 days to jump up to already training stuff like electronics, engineering, navigation, energy management, the boring but essential skills. Let them insta train to a BC so they don't have the agony of waiting. They won't care that they cant train for the rest of the month cause they already got the stuff they wanted. If they train something and then suddenly decide they want something else then too bad, you screwed up, live with your mistakes, this is EVE; have fun waiting 29 days to train anything new.
and then when they're 4 days old and get murdered by someone who's done the training the "long" way...? |

Ganthrithor
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
210
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Posted - 2012.04.10 19:19:00 -
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...because your mother dropped you when you were young. |

Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2012.04.10 19:22:00 -
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Aranakas wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:Souchi son wrote:Seems silly and backwards.
Eve allows the entire sale of characters but not minor improvements on original character.
Because those characters had to be skilled up at one point by someone. You can't buy SP, period. Someone had to go through the time. And if you increase your skill point, you're the one who skilled up that character. The difference is......? It has no effect on the economy. The only difference is that one way will be defended to the death by used character salesmen scum.
yeah, buying SP is exactly the same as training.

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Aranakas
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.04.10 19:32:00 -
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Danika Princip wrote:Aranakas wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:Souchi son wrote:Seems silly and backwards.
Eve allows the entire sale of characters but not minor improvements on original character.
Because those characters had to be skilled up at one point by someone. You can't buy SP, period. Someone had to go through the time. And if you increase your skill point, you're the one who skilled up that character. The difference is......? It has no effect on the economy. The only difference is that one way will be defended to the death by used character salesmen scum. yeah, buying SP is exactly the same as training. 
It costs nothing to train SP. It costs something to fast-forward SP. If anything, fast-forwarding should be more powerful than training. Aranakas CEO of-įGreen Anarchy Green vs Green |

mxzf
Shovel Bros
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Posted - 2012.04.10 19:40:00 -
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Aranakas wrote:It costs nothing to train SP. It costs something to fast-forward SP. If anything, fast-forwarding should be more powerful than training.
It costs time, which is the rarest of commodities. The very reason people ask for SP-for-x is that they don't want to spend the time on training skills. |

Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2012.04.10 19:44:00 -
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Aranakas wrote:Danika Princip wrote:yeah, buying SP is exactly the same as training.  It costs nothing to train SP. It costs something to fast-forward SP. If anything, fast-forwarding should be more powerful than training. It costs time and money to train SP. There is also the matter of consequences in what you train.
Buying SP removes the time and consequences and is the main reason why it is a bad idea. Fast forwarding as you call it, would be more powerful and that is also why it is a bad idea.
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |

Herold Oldtimer
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.10 20:35:00 -
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This is not the forum section you are looking for. |

killorbekilled TBE
Dare Bears
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Posted - 2012.04.10 20:54:00 -
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because in eve time is currency too
not like the film 'in time'  huh? |

Aranakas
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.04.10 21:05:00 -
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So you convert one form of currency to another.
It doesn't even take time to train skills in EVE. Not real life time, just waiting time. No actual effort is put in. Aranakas CEO of-įGreen Anarchy Green vs Green |

Ganthrithor
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.10 21:26:00 -
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If you want to buy a bunch of SP, you could buy a buttload of plex and buy a character instead of trying to ruin the game with your bad posting! |

Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
364
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Posted - 2012.04.10 21:27:00 -
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Aranakas wrote:So you convert one form of currency to another.
It doesn't even take time to train skills in EVE. Not real life time, just waiting time. No actual effort is put in.
What are you on?
Waiting time is still TIME. If it didn't take time, why do I still have over two weeks left on my current skill?
Time is EVE's most valuable currency. You do not understand how this game works.
Go away. |

Bluddwolf
Heimatar Military Industries
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Posted - 2012.04.11 00:10:00 -
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I would quit EVE forever if they ever did this.... The only thing EVE has going for it, over all of the other MMOs out there, is their real time skill system.
EVE does not have "end game" content like other MMOs, because the game never ends. Your character never hits a level cap! There is always soem new skill to train, a new direction to go in, and a new aspect of the game to focus on.
If we were able to buy that in a split second, this game would die in less than a month. To join Heimatar Military Industries-į visit website or conatct Bluddwolf in-gamewww.hmi.guildlaunch.com |

Aranakas
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.04.11 00:22:00 -
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Danika Princip wrote:Aranakas wrote:So you convert one form of currency to another.
It doesn't even take time to train skills in EVE. Not real life time, just waiting time. No actual effort is put in. What are you on? Waiting time is still TIME. If it didn't take time, why do I still have over two weeks left on my current skill? Time is EVE's most valuable currency. You do not understand how this game works. Go away.
Time isn't a resource. People don't sell time. They sell skills, like lifting up a rock or programming a computer. They don't sell time. A vegetable's time is worthless. It takes all the skills of a partial-vegetable (IE logging on) to play EVE and train up skills if that is your only goal.
And once again, if somehow the skills of a comatose were a currency, WHAT CURRENCY IN THE WORLD CANNOT BE TRADED FOR ANOTHER CURRENCY?
Currency, by definition, is meant to be traded.
P.S. Don't cry just because you'll lose your precious character bazaar that nobody else cares for. Aranakas CEO of-įGreen Anarchy Green vs Green |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.04.11 00:38:00 -
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Aranakas wrote:Time isn't a resource. Yes it is. It's the most valuable thing you have in EVE and the one thing that people covet more than anything else. It is its difficulty of conversion and trading that makes it so immensely valuable, and it's the thing that balances out a huge amount of stuff in the game.
So, time for the standard copypasta for these kinds of silly ideas:
It removes the point of having skills to begin with. It removes the point of having attributes. It removes attribute implants from the game. It removes variety and instead encourages FOTM and cookie-cutter setups. It removes the uniqueness, history and "character" of your character. It removes planning and choice and consequences. It removes goal-setting, progression and any achievement in those areas. It kills character trading.
What you're asking for is quite literally game breaking because it bypasses so many key mechanics. It also doesn't solve any kind of problem, which makes it a thoroughly useless addition, on top of being directly harmful. GĒ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GėķvGėķ you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GĒ„
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |

Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
66
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Posted - 2012.04.11 01:47:00 -
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For the same reason that pay to win is completely rejected by most players.
There is a penalty for not paying attention to what you are training.. there is a penalty for unsubscribing for long periods of time.. that penalty is fewer skill points trained and in the right place. [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/OldST.jpg[/IMG] |

Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
368
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Posted - 2012.04.11 02:26:00 -
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Aranakas wrote:Danika Princip wrote:Aranakas wrote:So you convert one form of currency to another.
It doesn't even take time to train skills in EVE. Not real life time, just waiting time. No actual effort is put in. What are you on? Waiting time is still TIME. If it didn't take time, why do I still have over two weeks left on my current skill? Time is EVE's most valuable currency. You do not understand how this game works. Go away. Time isn't a resource. People don't sell time. They sell skills, like lifting up a rock or programming a computer. They don't sell time. A vegetable's time is worthless. It takes all the skills of a partial-vegetable (IE logging on) to play EVE and train up skills if that is your only goal, which is why the character bazaar is demented. And once again, if somehow the skills of a comatose were a currency, WHAT CURRENCY IN THE WORLD CANNOT BE TRADED FOR ANOTHER CURRENCY? Currency, by definition, is meant to be traded. So why not trade some of my money for a fast-forward for something that would essentially have required zero effort anyways? P.S. Don't cry just because you'll lose your precious character bazaar that nobody else cares for.
If time is not a resource, why do jobs pay by the hour? |

Sigras
Conglomo IMPERIAL LEGI0N
97
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Posted - 2012.04.11 04:57:00 -
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Aranakas wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:Souchi son wrote:Seems silly and backwards.
Eve allows the entire sale of characters but not minor improvements on original character.
Because those characters had to be skilled up at one point by someone. You can't buy SP, period. Someone had to go through the time. And if you increase your skill point, you're the one who skilled up that character. The difference is......? It has no effect on the economy. The only difference is that one way will be defended to the death by used character salesmen scum. The difference is, like everything in eve, SP is a market, and like every market when you dump a ton of SP on the market, you inflate the SP market, thus making the SP all the other characters have mean less.
It also destroys the progression of the game |
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