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Donatien de'Sade
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.12.09 22:36:00 -
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There is a theory which states that if anybody ever discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another theory which states that this has already happened
Someone had to quote it..
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.12.10 06:24:00 -
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 Originally by: Donatien de'Sade
There is a theory which states that if anybody ever discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another theory which states that this has already happened
Someone had to quote it..
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Arianhod
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Posted - 2008.12.10 19:36:00 -
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Just watched a Horizon episode seen here.
It's got me wondering upon the dark energy concept. Using E=mc^2 a significant amount of the needed mass to keep the universe together would be taken account of by the fact that the universe is accelerating. But here's what I want to ask to anyone who can answer.
The previous assumption was that due to the gravity of all Galaxies acting on each other, the Universe should be slowing down. Given I have been taught the Universe expands at close to c, this indicates that we are moving relativistically in comparison to the rest of the universe.
When you jump out a plane, fall then open the parachute, it gives the illusion that you are accelerating due to the rapid deceleration. Given we are moving relativistically, could our deceleration from the gravity of the sum of the Universe be reducing the component making our perception of time speed up from what we had before? That from the origin of the universe we are slowing down but because we are so close to c, it gives the illusion of the rest of the universe speeding up?
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: Arianhod
Just watched a Horizon episode seen here.
It's got me wondering upon the dark energy concept. Using E=mc^2 a significant amount of the needed mass to keep the universe together would be taken account of by the fact that the universe is accelerating. But here's what I want to ask to anyone who can answer.
The previous assumption was that due to the gravity of all Galaxies acting on each other, the Universe should be slowing down. Given I have been taught the Universe expands at close to c, this indicates that we are moving relativistically in comparison to the rest of the universe.
When you jump out a plane, fall then open the parachute, it gives the illusion that you are accelerating due to the rapid deceleration. Given we are moving relativistically, could our deceleration from the gravity of the sum of the Universe be reducing the component making our perception of time speed up from what we had before? That from the origin of the universe we are slowing down but because we are so close to c, it gives the illusion of the rest of the universe speeding up?
Not really - the accelerating expansion is observed in every direction, so he Earth would have to be shrinking or something to produce that illusion. And it isn't. Remember that if you're decelerating in one direction, you're accelerating in the opposite direction. Basically, nobody knows why the universe appears to be accelerating outwards. "Dark Energy" is basically scientist-speak for "we don't know".
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Taua Roqa
Minmatar
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.12.11 04:12:00 -
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the funny thing is, we don't even know what 96% of the universe is made from 
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 07:17:00 -
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Originally by: ReaperOfSly
Basically, nobody knows why the universe appears to be accelerating outwards. "Dark Energy" is basically scientist-speak for "we don't know".
A hundred years ago it was called 'aether' 
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2008.12.11 10:43:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
Basically, nobody knows why the universe appears to be accelerating outwards. "Dark Energy" is basically scientist-speak for "we don't know".
A hundred years ago it was called 'aether'
Aether was a very specific concept though. It was the medium through which light travelled. Light is a wave, so it must be a wave IN something, right? It was the Michelson-Morley experiment that inadvertently proved that it didn't exist.
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Sweety Peachbottom
Minmatar
We Hate Scotty
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Posted - 2008.12.11 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: kor anon
Originally by: Karrade Krise
Originally by: kor anon
i think it will expand for eternity until all stars fade away into nothingness. not an exciting way to go tbh
Just realized that was what I was going to say at the end of that wall-o-text...Or something similar anyways. That's pretty much my thesis. I'm pretty horrible at write-ups like this.
no worries i have trouble with single sentences at times
Yeah, me too lol. Sometimes my sentences don't even
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Karrade Krise
Galatic P0RN Starz
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:17:00 -
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Originally by: Sweety Peachbottom
Originally by: kor anon
no worries i have trouble with single sentences at times
Yeah, me too lol. Sometimes my sentences don't even
 You must tell me! Don't even what? I NEED TO KNOW! It's like a cliffhangar episode of your favorite tv series that suddenly gets cancelled!
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: Karrade Krise
Originally by: Sweety Peachbottom
Originally by: kor anon
no worries i have trouble with single sentences at times
Yeah, me too lol. Sometimes my sentences don't even
You must tell me! Don't even what? I NEED TO KNOW! It's like a cliffhangar episode of your favorite tv series that suddenly gets cancelled!
I know what it is. It's really quite fascinating. Basically, she said
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Liberator 1
Gallente
Remnants of the Flame
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Posted - 2008.12.12 11:35:00 -
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Edited by: Liberator 1 on 12/12/2008 11:37:11
I think you have to look at the expansion/big bang theory in the light of the fact that we live on a tiny wee speck of a planet, our view of the universe is extremely limited and narrow. We haven't even got off the planet properly yet. I suspect making sweeping statements about how This Is How The Universe Began is a little premature. Given that we are talking about a hypothetical event an unimaginably long time ago of which we have absolutely no direct data for, it is possible that our current model may have some flaws. Or be entirely wrong. Take quasars for example. How can something be receding from us at that speed? (see redshift), and if the redshift gives you the distance how can it be outputting such VAST quantities of energy? I put it to you that the model might be wrong and that the models answer about quasars is spurious because it might be wrong.
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