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Niguea Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2008.12.09 02:10:00 - [1] I know that the bottom line is, if you think the profit is worth your time, then invest in whatever profit seeking venture youve found; that being said what kind of ROIs could be considered'worth investing time in'? Ive found nice niches at ~20%(Low Volume and ~7.25%(High Volume). I guess Im still at the part of the game where you comb through numbers like hell until you find what youre looking for, then said information with your life. Anyways.... What kind of percentages do you some of you pros expect on your investment before you assume the risk? What kind of stability factors do you look at before investing in a item or module?
Frenden Dax Dax Acquisitions	Posted - 2008.12.09 02:23:00 - [2] I've gone as low as 10% profit margin, but that was on high volume stuff where the 10% added up. Mostly I prefer at least 20%+. Checking price history to see the daily volume and price is usually sufficient for at-a-glance "hm this might be profitable".
Treelox Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party	Posted - 2008.12.09 02:25:00 - [3] Originally by: Niguea What kind of percentages do you some of you pros expect on your investment before you assume the risk? Really depends, it is all situational. As long as there is a profit to be had, it might be worth my time Originally by: Niguea What kind of stability factors do you look at before investing in a item or module? Really depends, it is all situational. As long as there is a profit to be had it might be worth my time -- Chribba's LoveQuest 17:00hrs Dec. 20th (Prizes!!)
Ricdics Tleilex Developments	Posted - 2008.12.09 02:31:00 - [4] It's all about your financial situation and personal preference. For you, you may only have 50m of capital to your name. In which case making 10% profit on items valued at 1m each is quite suitable for you. In the case of myself I might have 50b of capital on hand. In this case I might be looking at orders closer to 20-1000m per unit looking and be happy with 7-10% profit but you won't see me wasting my time to make 10% profit on a 1m item. Generally the more money you have in circulation the harder it is to make a return. It's easy for you to set a buy order for a 10 hammerhead drones at 20k and sell them in a FW hub for 50k, an instant profit of over 100%, but you will find it very difficult to meet 100% returns on the much larger items.
WelfareNinja Amarr	Posted - 2008.12.09 02:51:00 - [5] Yeah, im not really working with that much capital, only about 1/2 a bill or so. Its tough to find good niches, judging from the numbers you guys are giving me I'll keep up the research then
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.12.09 02:58:00 - [6] Originally by: Niguea I know that the bottom line is, if you think the profit is worth your time, then invest in whatever profit seeking venture youve found; that being said I'll waste everyone's time with this post anyhow There we go, now your post is much more accurate.
SencneS Amarr Rebellion Against big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2008.12.09 04:14:00 - [7] Edited by: SencneS on 09/12/2008 04:15:07 You can also look at it from a functional point of view. Forget margin look at RAW ISK values. If I see something that costs me 700mil but I'll make 30mil in the space of 15 minutes by buying it, moving it, reselling then that is worth my time. Sure the margin stinks but the amount of effort I've put forth is minimal for the sake of 30mil. That's for marketing. For manufactures it is all about margin. How much it cost to make, vs how much you can sell it for. Take something small for example, something like Antimatter S or something. You're making a big fat 1-2ISK per charge, but that's 50% margin so, across 10,000,000 units and hardly any work you're making good return with little investment. In the end for me it's all about amount if ISK vs effort put forth. As long as it's a return I really seldom look at margin unless it's one of my manufactured items. Amarr for Life
Ricdics Tleilex Developments	Posted - 2008.12.09 04:16:00 - [8] Originally by: Shadarle Originally by: Niguea I know that the bottom line is, if you think the profit is worth your time, then invest in whatever profit seeking venture youve found; that being said I'll waste everyone's time with this post anyhow There we go, now your post is much more accurate. Where the hell have you been?
Temin Nevarro	Posted - 2008.12.09 04:21:00 - [9] Lately I've been making 30%-40% on my investments. I'm working with about 2.5 billion in capital so it's a bit difficult at times to keep that amount going. Basically it just takes patience to find that item that will net you big returns, or if you are a bigger trader it might take you quite some time to find several items that work well for your route.
Hello Jerry	Posted - 2008.12.09 08:39:00 - [10] I HOPE THIS HELPS! http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/7437/91134632jw5.jpg This was done in JITA with 9b starting capital. You can find all sorts of gems if you look hard enough.
flakeys Tier 3 Technologies Inc Lazy is our middle name	Posted - 2008.12.09 09:36:00 - [11] I only do regional orders atm so anything below a 50% margin i don't even look at.When i did jita trading however i went a lot for volume with smaller profits .
Alex555	Posted - 2008.12.09 11:50:00 - [12] 3% is a minimum return for me
flakeys Tier 3 Technologies Inc Lazy is our middle name	Posted - 2008.12.09 12:56:00 - [13] Originally by: Hello Jerry I HOPE THIS HELPS! http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/7437/91134632jw5.jpg This was done in JITA with 9b starting capital. You can find all sorts of gems if you look hard enough. For jita those are mighty nice returns.I am not gonna ask wich items etc because of obvious reasons and one should not be too lasy to do some reasearch himself but i am curious as in what lenght of time the profit amount given there was achieved.
Ambo State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.12.09 14:15:00 - [14] Originally by: flakeys Originally by: Hello Jerry I HOPE THIS HELPS! http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/7437/91134632jw5.jpg This was done in JITA with 9b starting capital. You can find all sorts of gems if you look hard enough. For jita those are mighty nice returns.I am not gonna ask wich items etc because of obvious reasons and one should not be too lasy to do some reasearch himself but i am curious as in what lenght of time the profit amount given there was achieved. It tells you at the top. 18th Nov - 9th Dec -------------------------------------- Trader? Investor? Just want to track your finances? Check out EMMA
Raaz Satik	Posted - 2008.12.09 14:22:00 - [15] I rarely do anything for less than 50% but I don't concentrate on high sec hub trading. My problem is that my business is pretty much the same as it was a year ago even though my wallet is multiple times larger. Hence my profitability per trade looks good, but my return on assets is declining quickly.
flakeys Tier 3 Technologies Inc Lazy is our middle name	Posted - 2008.12.10 14:44:00 - [16] Originally by: Ambo Originally by: flakeys Originally by: Hello Jerry I HOPE THIS HELPS! http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/7437/91134632jw5.jpg This was done in JITA with 9b starting capital. You can find all sorts of gems if you look hard enough. For jita those are mighty nice returns.I am not gonna ask wich items etc because of obvious reasons and one should not be too lasy to do some reasearch himself but i am curious as in what lenght of time the profit amount given there was achieved. It tells you at the top. 18th Nov - 9th Dec Lol thanks ambo .

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