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Sweeper23	Posted - 2008.12.09 17:39:00 - [1] The newbie corp I'm in has recieved a wardec and the war began yesturday, many of us went out for the fight, some of us came out of it with our pods most did not. Anyways, since the other corp has years of SP over all of us combined and after much descion (in our hangers) several of us thought it was best to leave the corp... we gave it a shot at fighting and paying an outrages amount ransom is out of the question. My question how long does it take after leaving my current corp that I'm "safer" to leave the hanger and not be attacked by this other corp?
Ki Tarra Caldari Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2008.12.09 17:43:00 - [2] Originally by: Sweeper23 My question how long does it take after leaving my current corp that I'm "safer" to leave the hanger and not be attacked by this other corp? As soon as you leave the corp, that corp's wars no longer apply to you. However, if you were in combat with someone, then the usual 15 minute agression timer will apply. As for dealing with war dec's, I would suggest this guide.
Sweeper23	Posted - 2008.12.09 17:57:00 - [3] Thanks Tara, We read that last night and it has great information and helped us with our decision. We were just unsure about the time involved, some thought it was 24hrs. I personally think this whole wardec thing is amazing, almost like harasment and very one sided. The corp I'm in is only interested in helping each other earn ISK and work on our SPs so once we have enough of both to go out and enjoy more of the galaxy of Eve. Only fight we are looking for is against PvE and no where near PvP.
Ki Tarra Caldari Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2008.12.09 18:02:00 - [4] Originally by: Sweeper23 We read that last night and it has great information and helped us with our decision. We were just unsure about the time involved, some thought it was 24hrs. If you have roles within the corp, there is a 24 hour timer between when those roles are removed and when you can actually leave the corp. However, there is no delay between leaving the corp and leaving the war.
G'kek	Posted - 2008.12.09 20:08:00 - [5] Aye. I believe even the developers see the wardec system has a lot of problems with it.
Sir Substance Minmatar MagiTech Alliance Inc. MagiTech Corp	Posted - 2008.12.10 04:11:00 - [6] Originally by: Sweeper23 I personally think this whole wardec thing is amazing, almost like harasment and very one sided. rest assured you are not the only one who thinks this. CCP is, i believe thinking about altering it. in the mean time, i would advise you either join an established corp with a good defense force, or stay in the noob corp, and form a channel with your mates. - PvPers always say "GB2WoW". the message is that EVE is hard, and people just need to deal with it. wasn't it funny how when nano's started making it hard for them, that all went out the window?
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.12.10 04:36:00 - [7] Originally by: G'kek Aye. I believe even the developers see the wardec system has a lot of problems with it. and yet people being safe in npc corps is just as bad for the game. anyways what corp are you in and who is attacking you. some important info. and It might not be anything you did but something a corp mate did that deserved some retribution.
Joe Starbreaker Starbreaker Frigateers Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2008.12.10 06:45:00 - [8] OMG you're giving up just like that??? Folks, every corp gets war declared on it once in a while. The first war-deck is a pivotal moment... those who survive it tend to be the corporations that last. You really want to fold it all up at the first sign of trouble? Here's what I recommend you do, if you have any guts: Get in shuttles and move far, far away. It's a big galaxy and they may not even bother to go looking for you. Take this as a chance to do something you don't normally do. For example if you are usually miners, try running missions as a fleet. If you are mission runners, try ninja salvaging. Or go to lowsec. Or set an autopilot course for deep deep 0.0 and take a look at what's going on there. Look at this as an opportunity to be freed from your normal base of operations. The war will probably be over in 7 days, even quicker if you disappear and don't give the enemies any fun. Don't be cowards. ............. Now recruiting like-minded pilots.
Sweeper23	Posted - 2008.12.11 12:52:00 - [9] We put up a fight, lost many ships and a few unlucky ones lost thier implants. We even had friends of our corp mates help us out. 8 ships shooting at a guy and not even getting close to armor, we just lack the skill points in the right areas to do enough damage. The final blow came yesturday when another corp declared a wardec on us. When I encountered a member of this new corp I asked him why we recieved a wardec, he replied "we just pick random corps to mess with". WTF!!!!!! None of my corp mates or myself have made any ISK since the war has started, but have spent much isk in having to buy ships, insure them and out fit them, just end up back in our hanger wonder "what the F@#% just happened?" I'm one of the lucky ones in the corp, I've only lost about 50mil in assits, but the losses range 10mil up to 200mil throught the corp, thats alot of ISK for new players to loose for such an unwanted war. CCP needs to look into the wardec thing to make it somewhat fair to new players and new corps that dotn have the assits, skill points to defend themselves. Thanks for the rant!
Baka Lakadaka Gallente Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2008.12.11 13:07:00 - [10] Originally by: Sweeper23 We put up a fight, lost many ships and a few unlucky ones lost thier implants. We even had friends of our corp mates help us out. 8 ships shooting at a guy and not even getting close to armor, we just lack the skill points in the right areas to do enough damage. The final blow came yesturday when another corp declared a wardec on us. When I encountered a member of this new corp I asked him why we recieved a wardec, he replied "we just pick random corps to mess with". WTF!!!!!! None of my corp mates or myself have made any ISK since the war has started, but have spent much isk in having to buy ships, insure them and out fit them, just end up back in our hanger wonder "what the F@#% just happened?" I'm one of the lucky ones in the corp, I've only lost about 50mil in assits, but the losses range 10mil up to 200mil throught the corp, thats alot of ISK for new players to loose for such an unwanted war. CCP needs to look into the wardec thing to make it somewhat fair to new players and new corps that dotn have the assits, skill points to defend themselves. Thanks for the rant! Being in a player corp has many benefits, this is balanced with the risk that you'll get a war-dec. I don't think they need to change it. If you want some tactics for a small gang of low-skilled pilots in tech 1 frigates to take on a war-dec, then check out our PvP-Basic course (linked in my signature). We won't guarantee you'll win, but you will take out some targets and even better, we'll show you how to put some FUN into the fight. ______________________ Isn't it time you learned to fight back? Agony Unleashed Home of the PvP University. Now Recruiting.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.12.12 03:18:00 - [11] Originally by: Sweeper23 We put up a fight, lost many ships and a few unlucky ones lost thier implants. We even had friends of our corp mates help us out. 8 ships shooting at a guy and not even getting close to armor, we just lack the skill points in the right areas to do enough damage. The final blow came yesturday when another corp declared a wardec on us. When I encountered a member of this new corp I asked him why we recieved a wardec, he replied "we just pick random corps to mess with". WTF!!!!!! None of my corp mates or myself have made any ISK since the war has started, but have spent much isk in having to buy ships, insure them and out fit them, just end up back in our hanger wonder "what the F@#% just happened?" I'm one of the lucky ones in the corp, I've only lost about 50mil in assits, but the losses range 10mil up to 200mil throught the corp, thats alot of ISK for new players to loose for such an unwanted war. CCP needs to look into the wardec thing to make it somewhat fair to new players and new corps that dotn have the assits, skill points to defend themselves. Thanks for the rant! you are "putting up a fight" and losing 100s of millions... No wonder you got wardeced I hope you guys come anti-pirate in Ihakana next oh my, there is fighting back and then there is suicide. no wonder you are considering corp hopping.
Companion Lamp	Posted - 2008.12.12 04:56:00 - [12] Wow your corp gets all the fun If your corporation is within Amarr space then we can team up against this said corporate bully!
Valron Xizor The Xizor Cartel	Posted - 2008.12.12 15:42:00 - [13] You could always hire a merc corp to dec the corp that's dec'ing you. Sounds like it would be cheaper to do that than paying for your new ships. Maybe there's a corp who'l do it for free just as something to do. The wardec system may seem unfair, but you've already worked out that by pulling out of the corp you get around it. That sounds fair to me and still allows corps who actually have the ability and desire to fight to get on with it.
Decidivus Jones	Posted - 2008.12.13 00:40:00 - [14] Originally by: Ki Tarra As for dealing with war dec's, I would suggest this guide. Wow, what a great guide! Thanks for that resource!
Tozmeister Caldari Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2008.12.13 09:53:00 - [15] get a jump clone with no implants for the duration of the war. use t1 frigs with t1 fittings for less than a million a piece. Fight back and learn to develop unit tactics and leadership. For something that is only pixels it's enormously good fun getting that first kill. +++????+++Out of Cheese Error. Redo From Start+++
Psychotic Penguin Gallente The Professional's Club The Second Genesis	Posted - 2008.12.14 00:36:00 - [16] Originally by: Sweeper23 I personally think this whole wardec thing is amazing, almost like harasment and very one sided. It is a business model, enough corps pay to end war-decks that it is worth it. ____________________________________________________ Reality is for those who have no imagination.
Cyprus Black Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.12.14 07:30:00 - [17] So, lets say a little corp that's minding it's own business gets wardec'ed by some large corp out to grief them. What's to stop that little corp from disbanding and reforming to avoid the wardec? ___________________________________________________ The Escapist: EvE Online video review.
Gojyu Ever Flow Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.12.14 07:39:00 - [18] Originally by: Cyprus Black So, lets say a little corp that's minding it's own business gets wardec'ed by some large corp out to grief them. What's to stop that little corp from disbanding and reforming to avoid the wardec? It's considered an exploit
Mickey Simon Noir.	Posted - 2008.12.14 07:54:00 - [19] Edited by: Mickey Simon on 14/12/2008 07:55:23 Originally by: Sir Substance i would advise you either join an established corp with a good defense force, or stay in the noob corp, and form a channel with your mates. Despite Subby and I disagreeing about almost everything, he's right. Forming a corporation allows you to be attacked via the wardec. If you don't want to be attacked via the wardec system, don't form a corporation . . . Therefore, if you cannot defend yourself, then you don't really deserve the benefits of that having a corporation gives you (you might not even use them?) so your best bet is to just create a channel for your friends and have everyone stay in NPC corps and join that until you're able to defend yourself, or you have someone who can defend you. Meanwhile, on the other side of town . . .
Mickey Simon Noir.	Posted - 2008.12.14 07:56:00 - [20] Originally by: Gojyu Originally by: Cyprus Black So, lets say a little corp that's minding it's own business gets wardec'ed by some large corp out to grief them. What's to stop that little corp from disbanding and reforming to avoid the wardec? It's considered an exploit No, pretty sure it's not an exploit. There's an exploit relating to alliance jumping or something similar, but can't remember what it is exactly. Unfortunately, jumping corps is not an exploit - just an annoying tactic used by those who don't want to fight. Meanwhile, on the other side of town . . .
Inertial The Suicide Kings True Reign	Posted - 2008.12.14 10:11:00 - [21] Your corp didn't deserve to live in the first place if you couldn't survive more than a day of war. EVE is not a nice sunday drive to church, along a scenic route, with green grass and blue waters, cows grazing peacefully by the side, and the only sound you hear is the birds singing. EVE is like driving on the highway, except there is no speedlimit, half the drivers are high on crack, the other half has escaped from a mental institution, their cars are armed with rocketlaunchers and machineguns and plated with steel plates all over, the only sound you hear is a ringing noise because all the cars around you are blasting Death Metal on full volume. If you can't survive a day of combat in EVE, without wanting to leave your corp, you might as well quit EVE now and find yourself a new game, because sooner or later you will leave. So either man up, or leave. If you choose to man up, look up info on how to PVP, how to fit your ships, or even convo me if I am on, and I'll give you advice.
Scatim Helicon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.12.14 12:12:00 - [22] If you're new to PvP, get everybody into insured t1 frigates and cruisers and just make things as unprofitable as possible for the people who wardecced you. A couple of them camping a station? Warp in at 100 with blackbirds and jam them, rush them in gank fit frigates or destroyers and pop their T2 drones, and then leave. Try and nab the soft targets (like the ubiquitous falcon alts) and ignore the obvious bait like supertanked neut domis. Dont give them good fights or try to play fair, and don't undock hulks or battleships into them, it just hands them the easy killboard padding and loot they're looking for. If you're losing 50m or more to wardecs in a newbie corp, you're playing the war wrong. -----------
Diziet Coderusa	Posted - 2008.12.14 14:03:00 - [23] Originally by: Inertial Your corp didn't deserve to live in the first place if you couldn't survive more than a day of war. EVE is not a nice sunday drive to church, along a scenic route, with green grass and blue waters, cows grazing peacefully by the side, and the only sound you hear is the birds singing. Is there a part of the EULA I didn't read that stipulates, when you PVP it will rot your brain and turn you into a self-righteous muppet who spouts nonsense about how EVE is a PVP game and it can only be played my way? EVE is exactly a scenic Sunday drive. Because it's a fictional, recreational game that people choose to play and pay to do so. If people choose to ignore the possible PVP they might encounter then who are you to question their choices? Wake up, or leave.
Monkey Saturday Unknown Soldiers Soldiers Of New Eve	Posted - 2008.12.14 15:42:00 - [24] Why new corps see wardecs as griefing and keep bugging CCP to remove them or make them immune is beyond me. No other mechanic in any game forces a corp to come together and work together for a common goal : survival. Eve is a game you play with other people. If you're in a corp and everyone is doing their own thing, why bother with the corp? Anyways, yeah. Corp-jumping is an effective way to avoid wardecs. Get on that. Thanks for the Maulus BPO nerf! :D
Nephilius Caldari General Taktiks and Holdings	Posted - 2008.12.19 03:21:00 - [25] I keep seeing a whole lot about manning-up and survival of the fittest, and considering that I know for a fact that some corps WarDec others just for the fun/grief of it, those opinions I would wager are of those who enjoy doing so. More power to you. Honestly, there needs to be a way to veto a WarDec, if nothing else. It's one thing to go to war mutually, another to force PvP combat on people "just cause". Whether that's boredom or that the aggressing corp enjoy griefing others, who cares. IDK, it may be a dangerous galaxy, so why do people looking to mind their own business have to get sucked into the vortex of someone else's boredom and compound their problems? That said, I was thinking about this very subject today. I think the best bet is to have some type of nest egg and a secondary location to conduct business. A plan in place to take a random WarDec could mean the difference between a corp surviving with minimal losses and a corp that loses everything, before it dissolves like cotton candy in a rainstorm. To me, if you can't stand and fight, then at least find another part of the playground to hang out in. I ate a Carebear once...couldn't quit farting rainbows for a month.
Joe Starbreaker Starbreaker Frigateers Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2008.12.19 11:02:00 - [26] Originally by: Nephilius To me, if you can't stand and fight, then at least find another part of the playground to hang out in. Exactly! ............. Now recruiting like-minded pilots.
KushHaze Minmatar Carden Syndicate	Posted - 2008.12.23 23:57:00 - [27] When I first joined the Eve community I emmersed myself in the forums and youtube videos so I wasnt caught totally blindsided, I suggest you do the same as this is the way Eve is, the dev's and player community will take little pitty on you if you cannot learn to adapt to the play style of this game and its not for everyone thats for sure. I joined this game only a few months ago and found myself in the exact same situation you are in now, I join a corp a few days into my Eve experiance and was promptly war decked by 3 corps within a matter of a week. I did the best I could to avoid combat and when I couldnt I died but I didnt allow myself to get frustraed and chalked it up to a learning experiance. After a few days our more experiance members worked out a deal with Stain and we moved into 0.0 to avoid the war decks for the duration with the intention of going back once it was finnished. The move to 0.0 was painful as we had to move through AAA space, but again that was a great learning experiance on how to avoid gate camps, well what happend after that is we discovered we could make a fortune out here and stayed. Now it hasnt all been roses and wine since the move but as a new player I wouldnt have done it any differant, if you cant take the heat in empire then move out, or better yet get a large group of corp members in cheap T1 frigs and set up some tacklers with nos and nuets and some dps and have fun with it, this strat will help you learn the game without costing you millions of isk.
Iria Ahrens Amarr 101st Space Marine Force The Leathernecks	Posted - 2008.12.24 00:52:00 - [28] Corp is a pvp mechanic. The corp hanger is there for wars, the taxing system is there to pay for wars. Etc.. The only problem I see here is people creating a corp before they can protect their new members. Creating a corp before you are powerful enough and skilled enough (both player and character) to protect your new members is like going and having a baby, before you have a job or a stable marriage. It can be done, but then you know who to blame when you run into the problems associated with being improperly prepared. If your corp mates are real friends, then take this and learn from it. But if it's some corp you joined because you liked the logo, wardecs like these are a good excuse to find a better corp. -- Nobody expects the Amarr Inquisition!
Iria Ahrens Amarr 101st Space Marine Force The Leathernecks	Posted - 2008.12.24 00:56:00 - [29] Originally by: Mickey Simon Originally by: Gojyu Originally by: Cyprus Black So, lets say a little corp that's minding it's own business gets wardec'ed by some large corp out to grief them. What's to stop that little corp from disbanding and reforming to avoid the wardec? It's considered an exploit No, pretty sure it's not an exploit. There's an exploit relating to alliance jumping or something similar, but can't remember what it is exactly. Unfortunately, jumping corps is not an exploit - just an annoying tactic used by those who don't want to fight. Disbanding a corp and reforming is not jumping corps and IS considered an exploit. -- Nobody expects the Amarr Inquisition!
Joe Starbreaker Starbreaker Frigateers Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2008.12.24 00:59:00 - [30] Originally by: Iria Ahrens The only problem I see here is people creating a corp before they can protect their new members. I don't see a problem with that. What I see as the problem is that somebody blows up their internet spaceships and suddenly it's a huge, tear-jerking, game-breaking loss to them, and they're ready to sacrifice not only the assets and reputation but also the friendships that they've built up. The reason we say "man up" is because these newbies have their priorities all wrong. Every ship you own in this game will get blown up eventually, but the friends you make are the real durable treasure. I say stand and fight and die, or run away to fight another day, but do it together. ............. Now recruiting like-minded pilots.

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