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Ric Adburr Gallente 0ccam's Razor	Posted - 2008.12.09 18:51:00 - [1] For the Hyperion Pilots out there, which of these setups would you consider to be better? [Hyperion, Dual Rep Hyperion 1] Large Armor Repairer II Large Armor Repairer II Damage Control II True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Fleeting Warp Scrambler I Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I 100MN MicroWarpdrive I Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Auxiliary Nano Pump I Auxiliary Nano Pump I Capacitor Control Circuit I Ogre I x4
Ric Adburr Gallente 0ccam's Razor	Posted - 2008.12.09 18:52:00 - [2] [Hyperion, Large/Med Dual Rep Hyperion] Large Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Damage Control II True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 100MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Disruptor II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Tracking Link II Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Auxiliary Nano Pump I Auxiliary Nano Pump I Capacitor Control Circuit I Ogre I x4
Ric Adburr Gallente 0ccam's Razor	Posted - 2008.12.09 18:54:00 - [3] 2 LARS will repair more, but an LAR and a MAR will be more cap-stable, and you then can fit a T2 Disruptor and a Tracking Link. I guess my question is, which ship do you thnik will last longer? Which will run out of cap first?
Trevor Warps	Posted - 2008.12.09 18:56:00 - [4] Edited by: Trevor Warps on 09/12/2008 18:58:41 Edited by: Trevor Warps on 09/12/2008 18:57:49 1rst setup looks good. An easy upgrade would be a named mwd. I'm not crazy about the 2nd one, especially the tracking link ... lol probably you meant tracking comp ? Edit: Cap is tricky on these. I think the first would last longer. The 2nd would die half full of cap. Edit 2: I would ditch the cap rig for an armor rig too.
Arcon Telf Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2008.12.09 18:59:00 - [5] Neither. For me, the single rep Ion Hyperion is the way to go, with or without slaves. It's very skill intensive, but in the end will outlast a dual rep setup.
sAyArrrr Minmatar Omyst Inc.	Posted - 2008.12.09 19:00:00 - [6] For pvp i like this setup, small gang only: 8x Ion II 1x 100mn Mwd II 1x Heavy Cap Injector II 1x Warp Scrambler II 1x Web II 1x Magneto ECCM 1x LAR II 1x 1600mm RTP 1x Damage Control II 1x EANM II 2x MagStab II 3x Trimark 2x Ogre II 2x Hammerhead II 1x Hobgoblin II 5x Light ECM 1050m/s+ with overloaded mwd. Or take the easy way, train up lasers and get into a amarr boat like everyone else (or fit lasers on a mega, makes pretty nice setup :P)
Faife Noctiscion	Posted - 2008.12.09 19:01:00 - [7] 2 LAR one. -- i am a humble and inefficient ammo to dps converter
Ric Adburr Gallente 0ccam's Razor	Posted - 2008.12.09 19:02:00 - [8] Originally by: Trevor Warps Edited by: Trevor Warps on 09/12/2008 18:58:41 Edited by: Trevor Warps on 09/12/2008 18:57:49 1rst setup looks good. An easy upgrade would be a named mwd. I'm not crazy about the 2nd one, especially the tracking link ... lol probably you meant tracking comp ? Edit: Cap is tricky on these. I think the first would last longer. The 2nd would die half full of cap. Edit 2: I would ditch the cap rig for an armor rig too. You're right, I did. However, now that Itry to fix that, the Tracking Comp doesn't fit. Not enough CPU. : /
Trevor Warps	Posted - 2008.12.09 19:13:00 - [9] Originally by: Ric Adburr You're right, I did. However, now that Itry to fix that, the Tracking Comp doesn't fit. Not enough CPU. : / If you cant make it fit, try a 2nd web. With weak webs now its not wasted and will also help your tracking by pushing your target's breaks for them.
Ric Adburr Gallente 0ccam's Razor	Posted - 2008.12.09 19:26:00 - [10] Originally by: Trevor Warps Originally by: Ric Adburr You're right, I did. However, now that Itry to fix that, the Tracking Comp doesn't fit. Not enough CPU. : / If you cant make it fit, try a 2nd web. With weak webs now its not wasted and will also help your tracking by pushing your target's breaks for them. That's a good idea. Originally by: Arcon Telf Neither. For me, the single rep Ion Hyperion is the way to go, with or without slaves. It's very skill intensive, but in the end will outlast a dual rep setup. Can you explain that further? I definately want to use this ship as effectively as possible.

Arcon Telf Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2008.12.09 19:33:00 - [11] Originally by: Ric Adburr Can you explain that further? I definately want to use this ship as effectively as possible. Well, it comes down to a few things. To run a dual rep setup effectively, you have to drop your magstab, or gimp your resistances. Neither is acceptable IMHO. As I said, the single rep setup is very skill intensive, but it allows you to drop one of those extra injectors for a 2nd web, sensor booster, ECCM - ALL of which you will need at some point. Also, when you run out of cap, you will die - quickly. And, you'll run out of cap before my single rep Hyperion runs out of armor/hull. Right now I fit 3 trimarks. It gives me what amounts to the best of both worlds: I have a bonused repairer that basically just adds hitpoints during a battle. With my current setup, it's kind of a buffer/active hybrid. I know that seems kind of bad...but it works. Now, I will be the first to admit that with a HG Slave Set, for example, you can drop those trimarks and go with 2 rep time and 1 rep cycle rig, and then you're really cooking. This setup used to be a solo killing machine, but it is not anymore now that QR has launched. So keep it in a gang. Hope this helps. All just my opinion of course.
Trevor Warps	Posted - 2008.12.09 19:53:00 - [12] I disagree with you Arcon, but would you post your setup ?
DamienV CAD Inc. Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.12.09 20:08:00 - [13] this is the setup I always used. 6x Ion 2 2x Electron 2 Mwd/point/web/cap booster/eccm LARx2/DC2/2x EANM 2/Mag stab 4x Ogre 2 IMO, resist rigs>aux nano pumps. I think mine was either Exp/Exp/therm(or maybe kin) or exp/therm/kin
Arcon Telf Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2008.12.09 20:14:00 - [14] Originally by: Trevor Warps I disagree with you Arcon, but would you post your setup ? Sure. 8 Ion IIs Standard mids, with a 2nd web, ECCM, or Sensor booster DCU II, Large Rep II, 2x EANM II, 1600mm RT plate, MFS II 3x Trimarks With Slaves, you can drop the trimarks and go for 2x ANP and 1 Nanobot Accelerator, but I'd also be tempted to keep the trimarks and just see how it does with a boatload of static HP. BS 5 is a must.
maralt Minmatar The seers of truth	Posted - 2008.12.09 20:14:00 - [15] Edited by: maralt on 09/12/2008 20:15:15 What sort of gang/pvp are you looking to do in it cos tbh the Hyperion kinda sucks tbh.
Arcon Telf Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2008.12.09 20:18:00 - [16] This Hype is for fighting in low sec, often on gates or stations. And it works just fine, thanks!
Trevor Warps	Posted - 2008.12.09 20:40:00 - [17] Yeah your setup is good, better for general use than a dual LAR. But in my experience, the dual LARs with rep rigs can tank quite a bit. With only eanms and a dc in lows I could outlast most stuff, taking a little while before cap is a prob for the 2nd rep. What I mean is as long as both reps are running, pretty much all the dps your doing is tanked, while you tank less than half what im shooting at you during all the fight.
Arcon Telf Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2008.12.09 20:47:00 - [18] Originally by: Trevor Warps Yeah your setup is good, better for general use than a dual LAR. But in my experience, the dual LARs with rep rigs can tank quite a bit. With only eanms and a dc in lows I could outlast most stuff, taking a little while before cap is a prob for the 2nd rep. What I mean is as long as both reps are running, pretty much all the dps your doing is tanked, while you tank less than half what im shooting at you during all the fight. That makes sense. But if your opponent has a HG Slave Set and my setup, you're in trouble. That said, I'm not going and looking for 1 on 1 fights with Hyperion pilots much older than me. In fact, I'd rarely go after another PVP pilot in a battleship that's significantly older than me. It's just bad business, no?
Trevor Warps	Posted - 2008.12.09 20:57:00 - [19] Originally by: Arcon Telf That makes sense. But if your opponent has a HG Slave Set and my setup, you're in trouble. Even without slaves, I have over 10,000 more armor HP than you do, with the same resistances. That said, I'm not going and looking for 1 on 1 fights with Hyperion pilots much older than me. In fact, I'd rarely go after another PVP pilot in a battleship that's significantly older than me. It's just bad business, no? Hmm yeah, HG slaves would screw me good probably. Would probably have cap problems too early. The not looking for 1 vs 1 hyperion pilots older than you answered my question also, hehe.
Arcon Telf Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2008.12.09 21:00:00 - [20] Originally by: Trevor Warps The not looking for 1 vs 1 hyperion pilots older than you answered my question also, hehe. Without max skills in a given ship, that rule of thumb seems pretty obvious to me. When my Hyperion and its support skills are all 5x5, I'll take on older pilots. But show me a pilot that doesn't follow that rule, and I'll show you all of his loss mails.

Trevor Warps	Posted - 2008.12.09 21:05:00 - [21] Edited by: Trevor Warps on 09/12/2008 21:05:25 Originally by: Arcon Telf Without max skills in a given ship, that rule of thumb seems pretty obvious to me. When my Hyperion and its support skills are all 5x5, I'll take on older pilots. But show me a pilot that doesn't follow that rule, and I'll show you all of his loss mails. Yeah, especially with BSes. Fighting in these is not really forgiving and is also pretty static, relying more in raw firepower and thougness than fancy manoeuvers. Well, you still can screw yourself with a bad manoeuver, but unlikely to gain a edge with good manoeuvers. Hope im spelling manoeuver right.
Ong	Posted - 2008.12.09 21:06:00 - [22] This is how I set mine up: Dual rep hype You can drop the med cap booster for a tracking comp/ecm/web depending on your tastes, but then its not cap stable..... Ong
Trevor Warps	Posted - 2008.12.09 21:18:00 - [23] Edited by: Trevor Warps on 09/12/2008 21:18:58 Originally by: Ong This is how I set mine up: Dual rep hype You can drop the med cap booster for a tracking comp/ecm/web depending on your tastes, but then its not cap stable..... Ong Mine was looking like that too, before I lost it to 6 BS. I squeeze in 5 ions, 3 electrons and 3 armor rigs tho.
Ong	Posted - 2008.12.09 21:25:00 - [24] Edited by: Ong on 09/12/2008 21:25:12 Originally by: Trevor Warps Edited by: Trevor Warps on 09/12/2008 21:18:58 Originally by: Ong This is how I set mine up: Dual rep hype You can drop the med cap booster for a tracking comp/ecm/web depending on your tastes, but then its not cap stable..... Ong Mine was looking like that too, before I lost it to 6 BS. I squeeze in 5 ions, 3 electrons and 3 armor rigs tho. lol yeh getting gank'd sucks, but tbh 6 vs 1 no fit is gunna last long. hell thats almost enough dps to take out a dread
Trevor Warps	Posted - 2008.12.09 21:29:00 - [25] Originally by: Ong lol yeh getting gank'd sucks, but tbh 6 vs 1 no fit is gunna last long. hell thats almost enough dps to take out a dread Yeah ... they where blobbers in 0.0 who wouldnt do anything agaisnt our 3-4 man gang without being 8-10. One day we got tired and just engaged them at their station. Almost took one out ... But they kept logging in and undocking more to end up with at least twice more BS than us. We lost two or three BS but at least we got to fight.
Avan Sercedos Shockworks	Posted - 2008.12.10 00:00:00 - [26] Edited by: Avan Sercedos on 10/12/2008 00:02:09 Whatever you do, don't fit it like this ninjaedit:It seems to have an inexplicable weakness to the Thorax. [Hyperion, failure] Thermic Plating I Large 'Accommodation' Vestment Reconstructer I Internal Force Field Array I Auto-Gain Control Tracking Enhancer I Mark I Generator Refitting: Diagnostic System Cross-linked Bolt Array I Quad LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher 720mm Prototype I Siege Cannon 720mm Prototype I Siege Cannon 200mm 'Scout' I Accelerator Cannon 200mm 'Scout' I Accelerator Cannon 200mm 'Scout' I Accelerator Cannon 200mm 'Scout' I Accelerator Cannon Drone Link Augmentor I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Semiconductor Memory Cell I _________________________ OMG, EXCLAMATION MARK!
Ric Adburr Gallente 0ccam's Razor	Posted - 2008.12.10 15:05:00 - [27] Edited by: Ric Adburr on 10/12/2008 15:05:15 Originally by: Avan Sercedos Edited by: Avan Sercedos on 10/12/2008 00:02:09 Whatever you do, don't fit it like this ninjaedit:It seems to have an inexplicable weakness to the Thorax. [Hyperion, failure] Thermic Plating I Large 'Accommodation' Vestment Reconstructer I Internal Force Field Array I Auto-Gain Control Tracking Enhancer I Mark I Generator Refitting: Diagnostic System Cross-linked Bolt Array I Quad LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher 720mm Prototype I Siege Cannon 720mm Prototype I Siege Cannon 200mm 'Scout' I Accelerator Cannon 200mm 'Scout' I Accelerator Cannon 200mm 'Scout' I Accelerator Cannon 200mm 'Scout' I Accelerator Cannon Drone Link Augmentor I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Semiconductor Memory Cell I lol, that setup would have a weakness to just about everything.
kessah The Accursed	Posted - 2008.12.10 15:14:00 - [28] Edited by: kessah on 10/12/2008 15:14:50 My Hyperion setup: 8x Electron II 2x Heavy Cap Boosters II 1x MWD II 1x Warp scram II 1x Web 2x LAR II 2x EANM II 1x Explosive Hardener / magstab 2x Nanobot accelerators 1x Aux pumps 3x Heavies 2x medium combat drones. 1516 dps tank with overload. If agaisnt a Neutron plate mega, attack his drones with yours, no need to overload then so much and... Bye bye neutron plate mega


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