If cutting VG's by 10% and randomizing spawns is CCP's way of making them more inclusive, they are so sadly mistaken

Let me be clear. I applaud these changes, because I am a great believer in elitism in fleet skills and pilots
The best Incursion FC's select the best pilots with the best skills and best ships for a couple good reasons
Those reasons are competition and the safety of the entire fleet

But there are going to be an awful lot of unsatisfied poorly skilled pilots who thought this would be their chance to get into Incursions.

I have run VG's and Assaults and the occasional Mom

If cutting VG's by 10% and randomizing spawns is CCP's way of making them more inclusive, they are so sadly mistaken

Let me be clear. I applaud these changes, because I am a great believer in elitism in fleet skills and pilots
The best Incursion FC's select the best pilots with the best skills and best ships for a couple good reasons
Those reasons are competition and the safety of the entire fleet

If you have a weak attack boat pilot, the whole fleet suffers because their competition might not have that weak link and will win the site
If you have a weak logi pilot, then the whole fleet can be in jeopardy

So what is CCP's solution to the whiners about "No one will let me play with them, and they all make money and I can't"?
To increase the value of assaults so the elite players will take up the added risk of assaults? No

Instead, you dramatically decreased the value of VG's. The 10% nerf in pay was expected, even needed. Probably could have cut deeper than that. But the randomizing of the waves, plus wiping out all ships in a wave to get a payout has an immense impact
In the hardest of the VG sites, the OTA's, that will boil down to a 40-60% hit in payouts
Further, the last spawn in an OTA is murder. If that randomly might the FIRST spawn, and a fleet has to chew through all those ships, I imagine there will be a lot of OTA's left untouched

So guess where the elite 9 Legion/2 Oni's fleets hang out? Even more concentrated in the NCO's and NMC's
And where does that leave the T1 BC's and the guys with their T1 fit Vindicators with Galllente and Minnie BS at level I?
Since they are shut out of the NCO's even more so now, they will be driven into the welcoming Sansha arms of the OTA's, with their randomized spawns

The null sec zealots will love it, since the carnage will be nuts

So yeah CCP, way to go. You have managed to make Incursions even more demanding of the pilot and his skill set and ships. Frankly, this is a good thing since I think only the best should run Incursions.

But there are going to be an awful lot of unsatisfied poorly skilled pilots who thought this would be their chance to get into Incursions.

I don't think you understand a single reason behind the incursion changes.

Makes me wonder, in OTA's specifically I understand there to be waves that you don't want to spawn and as such avoid those triggers. Will those be necessary to complete the site now?

Let me be clear. I applaud these changes, because I am a great believer in elitism in fleet skills and pilots

Doesnt this mean "ur doin it wrong"?

Given youre doing incursions in high sec and not PVP in 0.0?

BTW is this a peminant game feature? Jeez that Sansha guy has infinite resources... Why the hell isnt he throwing all his guys at once then?

than there would be no eve!!!!

I don't think you understand a single reason behind the incursion changes.

yes now you have to clear the entire rooms and spawns will be random, maybe they will get rid of the niarja and tama spawns or something in OTA's or these VG's will will seem like 10man assaults.

I think the changes are just to make incursion sites more difficult to farm and more interesting.

Elitism in ship fittings and things like the private incursion channels (which can be seen as cartels in some respects even though I think the intentions are just anti-grief and easy-to-organise fleets) are very important player-created content :D

lol @ elite PVE

In the hardest of the VG sites, the OTA's, that will boil down to a 40-60% hit in payouts
Further, the last spawn in an OTA is murder. If that randomly might the FIRST spawn, and a fleet has to chew through all those ships, I imagine there will be a lot of OTA's left untouched