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Aranakas
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.04.11 19:56:00 -
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I finally figured it out:
100k EHP Mining Hulk
[Abaddon, Hulk]
Damage Control II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Co-Processor II
Co-Processor II
Co-Processor II
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Survey Scanner II
[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]
Miner II
Miner II
Miner II
Miner II
Miner II
Miner II
Miner II
Miner II
Large Anti-Explosive Pump II
Large Trimark Armor Pump II
Large Trimark Armor Pump II
Warrior II x5
Mining Drone II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5
Aranakas
CEO of-áGreen Anarchy
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Aranakas
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.04.11 20:08:00 -
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Jojo Jackson wrote:Aranakas wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Did you bother to compare ore yield? No, I guess not  Oh and cargo bay genius. Ore yield when dead: 0 Ore yield when alive: 900/second Jetisson your cargo and come back in an Iteron V. So the gankers don't gank your hulk but your Iteron V to lough again as they doestroyed all your work within second?
An Iteron V costs like 5mil. 5mil and some ore is a lot better than 500mil and some ore if you were flying a Hulk.
I used to mine all the time in an Osprey before I realized mining was a boring **** profession. If I could do it in a cruiser, you can do it in a battleship.
Aranakas
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Aranakas
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.04.11 20:20:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Aranakas wrote:Jojo Jackson wrote:Aranakas wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Did you bother to compare ore yield? No, I guess not Oh and cargo bay genius. Ore yield when dead: 0 Ore yield when alive: 900/second Jetisson your cargo and come back in an Iteron V. So the gankers don't gank your hulk but your Iteron V to lough again as they doestroyed all your work within second? An Iteron V costs like 5mil. 5mil and some ore is a lot better than 500mil and some ore if you were flying a Hulk. I used to mine all the time in an Osprey before I realized mining was a boring **** profession. If I could do it in a cruiser, you can do it in a battleship. I'll field this one anyway to prevent others from accidentally believing in your stupidity. I once tried to do the same thing in a Ferox (which did better then a retriever in terms of ore) and then a Rohk. For starters, do to how broken mining is all by itself, you might as well get out and try to make isk by using a shovel instead. It is not going to be worth the time. You then add to that hauling the ore and travel time, and so it gets even worse if you're on your own. Which you will be because mining ops want ore ships. After the fact, people eventually figure out that your "that guy" who always uses jetcans. You will warp away to your Iteron only to find out that, when you get back, the other guy has move all of the ore you just mined into their can (but they named it yours). So you can no longer get to the ore, and so then you need to get back to more mining. End result, it does not work in reality. Reality. That is an important thing for some of you to consider, because things don't always turn out the way your little brains imagine it to. Reality.
Fit your Iteron V like this lol
[Iteron Mark V, Battle Iteron V]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Small Armor Repairer II
Small Armor Repairer II
Warp Scrambler II
Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II
Small Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 200
Small Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 200
Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Small Energy Neutralizer II
Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Hybrid Burst Aerator I
Aranakas
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Aranakas
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2012.04.11 20:23:00 -
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Forgot to mention: Crimewatch in the expansion will fix can-flipping.
Aranakas
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Aranakas
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
286
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Posted - 2012.04.11 20:33:00 -
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Digital Messiah wrote:
On a more serious note, you don't train to fly a faction battleship, command ship, or say a titan. Only to have everyone tell you it shouldn't be able to fill its own role and survive a gank from a frigate sized vessel... I don't know the last time i heard someone tell me about how they lost their Carrier or battleship because an overheated destroyer ganked them before concord could come. Admit it, you guys like to exploit its weaknesses and do so only for the sheer joy of griefing another player. Which I'm not going to say is wrong or bad. Hell I have done my fair share of trolling. But would it be so bad as to provide it with some buff?
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T3, deadspace-fit PVE strategic cruisers costing 1-2 billion isk can be ganked by 1-2 hurricanes costing 10% as much.
Over-all, it's suicide ganking as a whole that's too powerful, since there's essentially zero risk of a pre-emptive strike against the offenders.
Aranakas
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Aranakas
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.04.11 20:37:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:
Where should said risk come from?
Answer that question correctly and you win Eve.
Answer it wrong and you forever label yourself a victim.
Considering that it's supposedly PVP, the risk to suiciders should come from other players, not a 20 second CONCORD timer.
Aranakas
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Aranakas
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.04.11 20:42:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:
Why doesn't anybody do anything about it then?
The problem is mentality, not rules.
There's no telling who's a suicide ganker and who their target is. All you see is a Tornado sitting outside a station. If you were to dock and get a Tornado and blow them up, they'd just get a new Tornado. If you keep doing that, you're just going to drive yourself into negative sec status and you'd have caused no more damage to him than you did to yourself.
On the other hand, burning a tornado to kill a t3 is very profitable, so there will always be someone doing it.
Aranakas
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Aranakas
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.04.11 21:39:00 -
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"EVE isn't about skillpoints"
"EVE isn't about isk"
"EVE isn't about the economy"
"EVE isn't about gear"
"EVE isn't about killmails"
"EVE isn't about x"
"EVE isn't about y"
I've followed all the advice given to me on this forum. That's why I have 0 skill points, 0 isk and fly nothing but rookie ships. Thanks EVE community! 
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Aranakas
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Posted - 2012.04.11 23:49:00 -
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End-game null-sec mining ship:
-COVOPS Miner, so you can steal ore right from under the nullbears' noses and transport it to high-sec. Hey, null is supposed to be full of competition right? Maybe this way this statement will have a grain of truth to it.
-High-Sec Miner: 100k EHP, more cargo hold (so you don't have to jetcan), less yield.
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Posted - 2012.04.12 00:05:00 -
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Jojo Jackson wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:I'm still waiting to see how ridiculously OP you people think the Hulk should be.
I want numbers. Everything else is bleating. Tell me what babies you are if you want the Hulk to be buffed.
Show me how much EHP it should have, how much PG/Cargohold.
Go on. Prove you're not all just big crybabies and give me the numbers. Numbers? Take slot numbers from Command ship, remove weapons, add mining laser. EHP, defens, aligne time stay the same.
This seems fair. No reason for a miner's bread and butter to not have the same defenses as a missioner's bread and butter, considering they (the miners) earn the same amount or less for a larger investment.
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Posted - 2012.04.12 00:06:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Command ships can still be blapped by a small fleet of destroyers.
Which isn't what you said you wanted, at all. Give me numbers describing what you want. 400m in hulls would be about 200 destroyers, right?
Idiocy much?
At least then the gankers would have to be organized. As it is, it takes just a lone ganker, which needs to change.
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