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Buzzmong
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.11 11:35:00 -
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The Hulk is a broken design anyway.
By CCP's own admission, T2 are meant to be more specialised. The Mackinaw and Skiff are brilliant examples of this by being better at specific types of mining (Ice and Mercoxit respectively), but the Hulk is just an all round better Covetor.
Arguably, the Covetor should be the best miner in terms of m3 pulled for normal rocks and the Hulk should do something different like either being a tanky mofo (really not a good idea as they need to pop), being specialised for Gas Havesting or something else that's unique to it (automatic ore compression maybe? Useful bonus but being popped with a full hold will hurt more).
Of course, doing this would also make mining a bit more lucrative as well, as the amount mined goes down a little. |
Buzzmong
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.11 15:24:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:I've yet to see a sensible (ie: game balance-based) argument against enabling Hulks to fit Large Shield Extenders.
I honestly don't care at all for the "but they're supposed to be non combat ships" arguments. Game balance is more important than fluff every time. Come to that, Amarr are supposed to be far more advanced than the other races, but CCP discarded the idea of making Amarr ships more powerful.
By far the greatest danager to Hulks comes from player ships, not rats. And the ability of player ships to attack Hulks has expanded far faster than the ability of Hulks to withstand them.
By all means jig the Hulk's fittings so that fitting a Meta 4 LSE means that you need a fitting mod and can't put in any MLUs - much like putting an MSE is now. But an LSE should indisputably be a viable module on a Hulk fit that's focused on tank.
It honestly won't make all that much difference: greedy idiots will still mine with 0 tank mods and 2x T2 cargo rigs. But the alert, capable player who wants to actually protect his ship should have a better option than a Frigate shield module.
I'm fine with Hulks getting buffed to fit LSEs.
Providing they lose the Exhumer 3% Mining Buff per level.
I don't see why the gap between them and Covetors should be widened any more considering Hulks are the only non specialised T2 industrial ship. |
Buzzmong
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
190
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Posted - 2012.04.11 15:51:00 -
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bornaa wrote:Find me what other BC size ship T2 version costs that much over T1 version.
You see, Hulk costs 10 times more then Covetor.
Er, most of them actually if we're going on mineral cost.
Don't forget prices of Hulks are inflated due to demand for the ultimate mining vessel and the market is current fubar anyway. |
Buzzmong
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.11 16:06:00 -
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bornaa wrote:Buzzmong wrote:bornaa wrote:Find me what other BC size ship T2 version costs that much over T1 version.
You see, Hulk costs 10 times more then Covetor. Er, most of them actually if we're going on mineral cost. Don't forget prices of Hulks are inflated due to demand for the ultimate mining vessel and the market is current fubar anyway. so... when did Hulk Cost 120mill (thats 4 times over the price of covetor (today))??? - it was when tritanium was one third of todays price.
Looking at the year long price changes in Verge Vendor (where this toon is), Covetors cost 18 mill 12 months ago, Hulks 185m.
Which is the same jump up for pretty much all the T1 -> T2 ships, such as Vexor->Ishtar, Proph->Damnation (or Asbo) etc, the Cov->Hulk has an easier time of it.
Thorax to Deimos has been a x20 jump at times.
Or shall we look at Omen to Zealot, which is around a x30 jump.
What about frigates to AF's? Looking at x100 figures here.
Battleships? Apoc to Pally is also around a x10 jump.
The market figures are showing the jump from Cov to Hulk is on par with the rest of the game.
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Buzzmong
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.11 16:27:00 -
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bornaa wrote:Thats why i said "BC size". And Ill repeat myself again: "I used the cheapest prices in Hi-sec for both. Don't tell me that you are the one who is only buying from Jita even there half of things cost much more then its worth.  " I used data from web market site that compare prices between all EVE markets.
And what we're saying is that irrespective of the moving prices and previous highs and lows, a x10 jump between T1 and T2 hull prices is on the low end for a large majority of the ships, it's sometimes much greater.
This means that the point you're claiming that the Cov->Hulk jump of x10 is too much compared to other ships is pretty much flat out wrong. |
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