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Gamer4liff
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:44:00 -
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Any hope of bailing out failing T2 producers because of the new higher build costs?
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Gamer4liff
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Posted - 2008.12.11 15:19:00 -
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Sorry CCP, alchemy is NOT going to be enough to stabilize supply. Another solution must be found.
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Gamer4liff
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Posted - 2008.12.11 15:39:00 -
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Edited by: Gamer4liff on 11/12/2008 15:42:51
Originally by: geno effort
Originally by: Gamer4liff Another solution must be found.
fly t1
Scuse me I make T2, this is going to kill margins across the board for all T2 producers.
Originally by: thelung187
Originally by: Gamer4liff Sorry CCP, alchemy is NOT going to be enough to stabilize supply. Another solution must be found.
Alchemy IS the solution. Just because T2 has become virtually meaningless due to price, does not mean that because you wish it to remain cheap that it should stay that way.
That said, I stocked up on T2 like it was canned goods during an air raid.
You're confused, I don't care about the sale price, I only care about my margins. I am a T2 producer, and if my costs increase, my margins decrease. Especially because people are too dumb to change the price up to match the new costs.
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Gamer4liff
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Posted - 2008.12.11 15:45:00 -
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Originally by: Rawthorm
Originally by: Gamer4liff
Originally by: geno effort
Originally by: Gamer4liff Another solution must be found.
fly t1
Scuse me I make T2, this is going to kill margins across the board for all T2 producers.
How? Once the current supply dries up, raised T2 material prices will lead to some of that being passed to the consumer. In the long run T2 ship producers will actualy profit from this.
Prices are sticky, and as I said people are too dumb and spineless to raise the price to the necessary amounts, at least in my experience.
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Gamer4liff
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:00:00 -
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Edited by: Gamer4liff on 11/12/2008 16:03:40
Originally by: Pohbis
Originally by: Gamer4liff Prices are sticky, and as I said people are too dumb and spineless to raise the price to the necessary amounts, at least in my experience.
Did you ever consider that margins are so low because some have been able to produce materials out of thin air?
You should celebrate, and seriously, go look up the market logs. Prices do fluctuate quite a bit. Sticky my ass ( it's true! ).
I'm not sure how you think this would work, if anything cheaper reaction prices leads to cheaper component prices which leads to a cheaper build cost, which leads to higher margins.
Also I'm sure there's some nerdy economic way to explain this, but in low demand markets prices tend to get stuck more, and are harder to move, and I deal in a lot of those.
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Gamer4liff
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: Am Li this seems unreasonable to me. I dont think people should be banned for running their business in the most profitable manner possible.
Hmm yes let me list the reasons why exploiting is a legitimate business strategy: 1.
Oh wait, I just remembered, there aren't any.
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Gamer4liff
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Posted - 2008.12.11 19:37:00 -
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Well there's your 4 year's proof right there.
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Gamer4liff
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Posted - 2008.12.11 20:32:00 -
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Originally by: Vigilant
Originally by: Filthy What happens to the T2 BPOs and stuff these guys had, will they be re-distributed into the game through plexes etc or are some mods to become uber rare now?
Re open the lottery code and redistrubute the bpos, then throw the code back in the safe.
BTW , people thought invention sucked for so long, now we may know a small part "why".
While I agree with the redistribution of the T2 BPOs in question, the flooding of cheap advanced materials into the market made invention more profitable.
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Gamer4liff
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Posted - 2008.12.11 20:51:00 -
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Edited by: Gamer4liff on 11/12/2008 20:52:49
Originally by: batmoth Edited by: batmoth on 11/12/2008 20:46:49
Originally by: Gamer4liff Any hope of bailing out failing T2 producers because of the new higher build costs?
Yeah its called re-adjusting your prices to meet the increase
As I have said many times before it's not that simple, people are feeble minded, weak, and moronic when it comes to setting prices, prices can only change when almost all of the product is off the market, and somebody gets the balls to raise it. Which isn't often in low-demand T2 markets.
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Gamer4liff
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Posted - 2008.12.11 21:40:00 -
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Originally by: Digiball t2 bpos have nothing to do with the isue! i own the ishtar t2 bpo. and got tnothing to do with moon crap. why should i be punished ? its ok if ccp takes back bpo`s but i would want a solid fund for it then. say 100 bill.. and i consider it. the fact i got my bpo fairly should be taken into consideration and some ******ed story about them turning into anytihng is just stupid. as i by now would have memorised how to make em..
sure ccp claim back t2 bpo but give the owners a SOLID refund. some lame price IS NOT ok. i want 100 bill ATLEAST!
Calm down man, T2 BPOs aren't going anywhere, and if we're lucky they'll see fit to reseed any that the bastards had.
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Gamer4liff
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Posted - 2008.12.11 21:46:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar Edited by: Abrazzar on 11/12/2008 21:42:22
Originally by: Gamer4liff
Originally by: Digiball t2 bpos have nothing to do with the isue! i own the ishtar t2 bpo. and got tnothing to do with moon crap. why should i be punished ? its ok if ccp takes back bpo`s but i would want a solid fund for it then. say 100 bill.. and i consider it. the fact i got my bpo fairly should be taken into consideration and some ******ed story about them turning into anytihng is just stupid. as i by now would have memorised how to make em..
sure ccp claim back t2 bpo but give the owners a SOLID refund. some lame price IS NOT ok. i want 100 bill ATLEAST!
Calm down man, T2 BPOs aren't going anywhere, and if we're lucky they'll see fit to reseed any that the bastards had.
LOL! All you can think of is the chance of getting your grubby fingers on a T2 BPO. They should do with them what they do with all T2 BPOs that leave the game one way or another: Nothing.
I dare say that's not "all" I can think about, but thanks for perpetuating the "T2 BPO owners are greedy sods" stereotype again. Whatever happens I'm fine with it, less T2 BPOs in the game = less competition for me anyway.
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Gamer4liff
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Posted - 2008.12.11 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: Impact HAHAHAHA!!!!!! to funny. Well done CCP ^_^ Good that you caught the exploiters ^_^
Unlike these other people I enjoy when cheaters get hammered, and dont worry about the complaining. Honestly people complain more when there content and have nothing really relavent to complain about.
Well Done CCP for catching them ^_^
I don't think you get the "impact" of what this exploit has done.
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Gamer4liff
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Posted - 2008.12.12 01:56:00 -
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Originally by: Superfailsauce
Yes there were failings in picking it up. Who cares. What's done is done, instead of whining about your 4 years of minimal profit margins start looking at ways to increase those margins now.
Grats on not understanding the T2 economy, the exploit increased profit margins for T2 producers, not decreased the margins. As terrible as it is we all profited from the exploit. Except for the people legitimately moon mining, of course.
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Gamer4liff
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Posted - 2008.12.12 02:13:00 -
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Originally by: Etho Demerzel
Originally by: Gamer4liff
Grats on not understanding the T2 economy, the exploit increased profit margins for T2 producers, not decreased the margins. As terrible as it is we all profited from the exploit. Except for the people legitimately moon mining, of course.
You are so naive. It decreased profits for all T2 producers, because the people who did it could produce T2 almost for free IN ADDITION to selling the components.
So they profitted from the T2 market AND from the T2 producers, especially ship inventors, who had to compete with prices and costs that made impossible for them to profit.
How can your logic always fail to account for the obvious? If they could make infinite isk with the exploit why the hell would they even bother with full T2 production?
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Gamer4liff
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Posted - 2008.12.12 02:23:00 -
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Edited by: Gamer4liff on 12/12/2008 02:24:41
Originally by: Alois Hammer
Originally by: Gamer4liff
Originally by: Etho Demerzel
Originally by: Gamer4liff
Grats on not understanding the T2 economy, the exploit increased profit margins for T2 producers, not decreased the margins. As terrible as it is we all profited from the exploit. Except for the people legitimately moon mining, of course.
You are so naive. It decreased profits for all T2 producers, because the people who did it could produce T2 almost for free IN ADDITION to selling the components.
So they profitted from the T2 market AND from the T2 producers, especially ship inventors, who had to compete with prices and costs that made impossible for them to profit.
How can your logic always fail to account for the obvious? If they could make infinite isk with the exploit why the hell would they even bother with full T2 production?
because its free. and you can dump, only so much free crap of one kind before YOU make it worthless. smart peeps expand their busines to other markets. like......T2 .. :)
I don't know I mean if you have virtually infinite wealth making T2 the normal way seems like it would just be a hassle. It's a wrong assumption that they hurt T2 producers anyway because the vast, vast, majority of the advanced reactions went straight to the market, rather than being utilized directly, from what we've read here. If it was being utilized, the T2 items themselves would be the things keeping the price artificially low, rather than the reactions and components, which is where the bottleneck is now.
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Gamer4liff
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Posted - 2008.12.12 02:27:00 -
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Edited by: Gamer4liff on 12/12/2008 02:27:17
Originally by: Claire Voyant
To hide the source of their ill-gotten gain of course.
Well they didn't really need to apparently, I mean how hard do you have to whack CCP in the face with something before they do something about it?
Point is, we already know they were dumping the stuff directly to market, because you can see its influence on the price now.
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Gamer4liff
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Posted - 2008.12.12 02:32:00 -
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Originally by: Etho Demerzel
Originally by: Gamer4liff
Originally by: Etho Demerzel
Originally by: Gamer4liff
Grats on not understanding the T2 economy, the exploit increased profit margins for T2 producers, not decreased the margins. As terrible as it is we all profited from the exploit. Except for the people legitimately moon mining, of course.
You are so naive. It decreased profits for all T2 producers, because the people who did it could produce T2 almost for free IN ADDITION to selling the components.
So they profitted from the T2 market AND from the T2 producers, especially ship inventors, who had to compete with prices and costs that made impossible for them to profit.
How can your logic always fail to account for the obvious? If they could make infinite isk with the exploit why the hell would they even bother with full T2 production?
To laudry the money? See not everybody is as stupid as ev0ke. Some people do have brains.
Well if they were making T2 on a scale that 100% of their exploited advanced reactions were utilized I dare say they would have supplied a huge amount of it, while I find this unlikely at the very least if they did CCP eliminated a very large T2 competitor. Still, I really wish they'd find some new system to get moon minerals and whatnot.
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Gamer4liff
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Posted - 2008.12.12 02:34:00 -
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Edited by: Gamer4liff on 12/12/2008 02:35:46
Originally by: Etho Demerzel
Originally by: Gamer4liff
Originally by: Claire Voyant
To hide the source of their ill-gotten gain of course.
Well they didn't really need to, I mean how hard do you have to whack CCP in the face with something before they do something about it?
Point is, we already know they were dumping the stuff directly to market you can see it's influence.
Man, you are thick...
Now read it slowly as many times as it takes and see if you can put it inside your brain:
It doesn't matter what ccp does with the alts and alt corps who are running the show. As long as you can make the money go to other accounts through sufficiently intrincated processes to dissuade the less than competent CCP employees to pursue it.
Now before you answer this, please be a good boy and read the previous paragraph again at least a few times more.
I'm not sure what you're getting at, I never contested the fact that the vast amount of people banned were probably just alts paid for and doing the exploiting. And yeah, they obviously used money laundering methods, but I doubt direct T2 production was one of them.
Originally by: Mari Katarin
Originally by: Gamer4liff
How can your logic always fail to account for the obvious? If they could make infinite isk with the exploit why the hell would they even bother with full T2 production?
Because the logistics of outfitting your corpies in full t2 finery is worth far more than a few more zeroes in your wallet. Aside from diversification.
Without the infinite firehose of free t2 hulls and modules many 0.0 combatants would be *drumroll* purchasing gear in empire. Possibly increasing demand to the point where manufacturing supply would be a limiting factor, leading to higher margins.
We'll be seeing if that is indeed the case in the coming months. I also look forward to seeing if hte "elite PvPers" remain just as elite when they start having to grind for their ships, skills, modules, GTCs...
Fair point, though I have to wonder about the corps who weren't in major alliances.
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Gamer4liff
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Posted - 2008.12.12 02:45:00 -
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Edited by: Gamer4liff on 12/12/2008 02:45:49
Originally by: Etho Demerzel
Originally by: Gamer4liff
Well if they were making T2 on a scale that 100% of their exploited advanced reactions were utilized I dare say they would have supplied a huge amount of it, while I find this unlikely at the very least if they did CCP eliminated a very large T2 competitor. Still, I really wish they'd find some new system to get moon minerals and whatnot.
No they weren't making T2 at 100% of their capacity. That defies the whole purpose of laundering money.
They were diversifying. selling some raw mateiral, selling some as T2, using a lot in their own alliances to provide free ships in exchange for high fees, exchanging it with T2 producers for other kind of goods, like capital components, etc...
Use yoru imagination...
Well okay I can see that that would work if it was diversified, but I still contend that their part of T2 production probably wasn't too extreme to cancel out the benefit of the flood of cheap advanced materials.
Though honestly we'll probably never know exactly the full effect they've had these last 4 years.
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Gamer4liff
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Posted - 2008.12.12 02:52:00 -
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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton well it wasn't gay4life
Excuse me, have we met?
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Gamer4liff
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Posted - 2008.12.12 19:39:00 -
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Well CCP, As you're probably madly rewriting POS code right now, I don't suppose you could write a part that allows public use of research slots?
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Gamer4liff
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Posted - 2008.12.13 01:41:00 -
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Originally by: Kerfira Seems like a lot of people in this thread are into invention.....
Invention of molehill's into mountains, that is!
This is what seems to be a minor market hiccup... Nothing bigger than that... T2 items will fluctuate for a while, and then settle to a new level. Wow.... Big deal!
Uh, yeah, you might want to check the price history graphs a week or two from now when things stabilize somewhat.
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Gamer4liff
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Posted - 2008.12.13 01:56:00 -
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Originally by: Kerfira
Originally by: Gamer4liff Uh, yeah, you might want to check the price history graphs a week or two from now when things stabilize somewhat.
Ehhh, even if T2 goes up 2x or 3x time its STILL not a big deal... In fact T2 is too cheap as it is. If T2 prices goes up (significantly), maybe T1 names items will go up too. This'll bring variety back in the game. Variety is good.
Get a sense of perspective... And don't take an internet spaceship game so seriously... Have fun instead!
You don't mind paying 3x for T2 goods? I'd be happy to sell you some of my Damnations for 410m :P. This isn't one of those "whoops a few guys found out how to make isk yesterday, and we banned them" this is "For four years, the entire fundamental basis of the T2 economy has been built on misconceptions and on the back of an exploit, which has not only tainted the markets but ruined the 0.0 political landscape in ways we cannot fathom.". This isn't something that we can just walk away from, dust our hands off and say "Gee I'm glad they fixed that". The effects from this exploit are irreversible.
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Gamer4liff
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Posted - 2008.12.13 05:53:00 -
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Originally by: alexreborn As of seeing this forum post many T2 items have spiked in price in jita. I would attribute this to people forecasting higher production costs, and so everyone buying everything, is creating artificial inflation.
That's sort of the beauty of EVE's economy, it's impossible to tell where the market speculation begins and the effects of the exploit ends. It's like a real economy in that sense, everybody rushing to make money.
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Gamer4liff
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Posted - 2008.12.13 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Gnulpie
Originally by: Gamer4liff
You don't mind paying 3x for T2 goods?
Care to share your calculations with us?
A quick calculation on my side shows that with alchemy ferogel will be around 40-45k. That is roughly twice as expensive as a few weeks ago. I suspect fermionic condensates around 70k and hypersynaptic fibers at 8k.
With these numbers a rapier costs around 20-25 mil more to build with invention. That is 45% more. Not 400%.
I can understand that some people want market panic so that they can sell their stuff much overpriced, but they hysteria about insane expensive t2 mods and the end of the world is just absurd.
Ships will become 50% more expensive at worst, modules will be affected that a bit less. And that is if ONLY alchemy is used and no dys supply at all comming in on the market. With the still ongoing supply from 0.0 prices will rise even less.
Don't 'sperg out dude, I was replying to his post where he said he wouldn't mind paying 3x for T2 goods. I know damn well things will probably only go up 1.5x-2x.
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Get real. The effects from this will be gone in a few weeks as prices stabilise. The large majority of EVE (except for a few whiners) will simply adapt to the new reality. They'll cry a little more when losing a T2 ship, and they'll laugh a little more when killing one....
This is a GAME, not something important..... As long as everyone is playing on the same playing field it doesn't matter that the playing field now is a little rougher. In fact it is beneficial for the game.
Oh look the traditional adapt or die argument, how quaint. Well guess what this isn't a matter of adaptation, this is a matter of how much the game has been tainted by the actions of those players. To shrug off years of ill-gotten capital fleets and 0.0 victories to say everything will be peachy is ridiculous, the face of 0.0 politics has been irreversibly tainted. Maybe you're okay with people having a virtually limitless supply of wealth to prop up their alliances that would have failed, but I'm not.
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Gamer4liff
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Posted - 2008.12.14 07:36:00 -
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Originally by: Toawa
Originally by: Belliana Ferrogel isn't real.
Actually, you're wrong about that.
Well gee, no wonder it's so expensive!
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Gamer4liff
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Posted - 2008.12.14 19:31:00 -
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Originally by: Bilabong Joe To be honest the people this game attracts is going to spawn this type of mass exploit. You just have to sit in jita for 5 mins and see that EVERY SINGLE PERSON spamming local is trying to con people out of isk. False contracts Fake Contracts Contracts playing number games i.e. wrong ammounts, wrong value against object.
You think any one of them wouldnt take advantage of a exploit if they found one???
Unless CCP is willing to crack down Properly on the players that are out to earn an easy living instead of how the game dynamics are setup then you are fueling for this type of thing to happen.
This event has had a massive effect on the economy jita prices are going through the roof. Just this weekend : A hulk price has gone up 12 mill Falcons 5 mill Most HAC's 8-15mill increase.
my views are CCP police the game properly and stick close to the game dynamics you are trying to give us or you will leave yourself open to this attitude from the gamers..........
There's a pretty big difference between scamming and exploiting, for one thing, scamming is not against the rules.
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Gamer4liff
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Posted - 2008.12.14 19:36:00 -
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Originally by: Logicycle Edited by: Logicycle on 14/12/2008 19:34:24 blah
My thoughts exactly, with the whole situation. Now when are we going to see the minutes of the CSM meeting?
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Gamer4liff
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Posted - 2008.12.14 20:20:00 -
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Edited by: Gamer4liff on 14/12/2008 20:19:51
Originally by: Gargamell Smurf perhaps someone has already addressed this, but i am just a bit confused by all the people here babbling about this "exploit" going on for 4 years. WTF!?!? 4 years ago, THERE WERE NO POS and THERE WAS NO MOON MINING! NONE OF THAT EXISTED 4 YEARS AGO! DUH!
Why do people keep saying this: http://www.eve-online.com/features/Exodus/
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Gamer4liff
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Posted - 2008.12.14 23:08:00 -
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Edited by: Gamer4liff on 14/12/2008 23:08:05
Originally by: Jinx Barker
Originally by: CSM Short Update ...Supposedly, the exploit was only widely abused in the last two months....
I call bull dung on that one. Not to CSM, but to CCP trying to tell us that this thing has been "widely" abused for 2 months. What does "widely" mean anything? Does it mean instead of repeated abuse for over the years by some, thus leaked out, and others just jumped on the bandwagon?
Yeah, I agree, If anything it seems like a confirmation that it's been in the game since 4 years ago but wasn't largely exploited till two months ago.
Although I have to wonder about the definition of "widely" here.
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Gamer4liff
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Posted - 2008.12.15 00:56:00 -
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Originally by: elric gallach
Originally by: Gamer4liff Edited by: Gamer4liff on 14/12/2008 20:19:51
Originally by: Gargamell Smurf perhaps someone has already addressed this, but i am just a bit confused by all the people here babbling about this "exploit" going on for 4 years. WTF!?!? 4 years ago, THERE WERE NO POS and THERE WAS NO MOON MINING! NONE OF THAT EXISTED 4 YEARS AGO! DUH!
Why do people keep saying this: http://www.eve-online.com/features/Exodus/
Because of this ?http://www.scrapheap-challenge.com/viewtopic.php?t=21936
What's your point? The point is that POSes have indeed been in the game for 4 years. Are you trying to disprove that? Because it's pretty well documented in the features section.
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Gamer4liff
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Posted - 2008.12.15 01:22:00 -
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Originally by: Lusulpher
When was the EXPLOIT discovered? POS were invented years ago to moon mine, but they might have stumbled onto it 2 years/3months ago...
Rumours don't count btw. When was the exploit pointed out explicitly?
Yes but that wasn't my point, that idiot said that moon mining wasn't around 4 years ago when it was. God only knows when the exploit was actually found out, hopefully we'll get some illumination on the subject later. I'm willing to bet it was used before its popularity exploded 2 months ago.
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Gamer4liff
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Posted - 2008.12.15 04:48:00 -
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Originally by: John'eh
Originally by: Kwint Sommer Edited by: Kwint Sommer on 15/12/2008 03:50:25
For those demanding a CSM update, had you read the last page you would have noticed this:
Originally by: Kwint Sommer From the CSM Chat channel:
The CSM meeting finished. They are typing up a full transcript to be posted tomorrow (the delay is to allow CCP to add explanations where they see fit) and according to someone claiming to be Bunyip's alt (LVV acknowledge him as such), CCP is expected to publish a report in about a week detailing just how deep the rabbit hole goes.
According to Bunyip's alt there was less than a single EVE-wide day's market transactions in artificial ferrogel produced which is to say less than 3 trillion ISK which is good in that it represents a small portion of the economy but it's still potentially enough to have financed one hell of a war in 0.0 replete with titans and outposts. CCP is tracking through every ISK sent to find all those responsible. If a major alliance can be proven to have colluded with the exploiters they will have their assets seized accordingly, though none were specifically discussed.
Supposedly, the exploit was only widely abused in the last two months. Only ferrogel was mentioned as having been produced though it is possible that other reactions were exploited. CCP believes alchemy will replace the artificial ferrogel in the market and we won't have a shortage.
This sounds like a coverup in the making to me. Why cant CCP just be honest?
Not to white knight CCP, god knows there's enough of that in this thread already, but what part of that says coverup to you? I mean sure it's vauge but the meat of the details will come later.
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Gamer4liff
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Posted - 2008.12.15 05:40:00 -
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Originally by: Anne Archer
I have had several toons around for almost two years now and not until the last several months have I really started to feel that CCP does not give a crap about the player's feedback at all. (Especially with this Quantum Rise patch) With all of the negative feedback and multiple +50 page forum threads of players complaining about certain things in QR and no positive response from CCP it really starts to make we wonder where EVE is headed.
Put yourself in their shoes, for months they hear nothing but "Stop making features, cure lag", and here we have an expansion whose centerpiece is massive lag reductions, and what do people say? "not enough content, lame expansion". You can't please all the people all the time, but CCP at least makes the effort.
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Gamer4liff
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Posted - 2008.12.15 19:01:00 -
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Hmm yes open source games, that'll work, about as well as mainstream adoption of open source operating systems.
Anyway this nerd debate is boring, I sure hope the notes come out soon.
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Gamer4liff
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Posted - 2008.12.15 19:48:00 -
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Edited by: Gamer4liff on 15/12/2008 19:48:48
Originally by: Etho Demerzel
Originally by: Gamer4liff Hmm yes open source games, that'll work, about as well as mainstream adoption of open source operating systems.
Anyway this nerd debate is boring, I sure hope the notes come out soon.
Considering how much of the market Linux gained during the last 5 years, I wouldn't use this example for improbability...
ehhh it's not that impressive
Even still, I do use Linux for programming, just not pro-gaming, if you'll pardon the pun.
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