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MyOwnSling Gallente Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.12.10 21:31:00 - [1] Any word as to the economic impact? ------------- Stop whining. Originally by: Puupuu dude... your face... Originally by: MooKids I have an elite rating in HULL TANKING! That is like saying I can block punches with my face.
MyOwnSling Gallente Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.12.11 17:35:00 - [2] Originally by: Rramar Claime Originally by: Leopold Caine "On December 7th 2008, a date which will live in infamy, a petition from a concerned player alerted us to a serious problem with Starbase reactors" So it could've been up to 5 days max, perhaps more. I'm not a trader, but who confirmed the date when the exploit started? Leo just read around a bit :) fortunately eve is bigger than eve-o forums :) It didn't come from CCP, just some guy who got banned, so it's far from a confirmation. ------------- Stop whining. Originally by: Puupuu dude... your face... Originally by: MooKids I have an elite rating in HULL TANKING! That is like saying I can block punches with my face.
MyOwnSling Gallente Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.12.11 18:07:00 - [3] Originally by: Rramar Claime meh lol?? :D oh well CCP didnt admit it so its not true? Hardly, but you completely missed the point. How is that one guy a credible source? We have no reason to believe him. But in the end, you may be right about CCP, in which case we may never know the full truth. I am reserving judgement until they finish their investigation, but atm it doesn't look like we are getting much :/ ------------- Stop whining. Originally by: Puupuu dude... your face... Originally by: MooKids I have an elite rating in HULL TANKING! That is like saying I can block punches with my face.
MyOwnSling Gallente Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.12.11 19:02:00 - [4] Edited by: MyOwnSling on 11/12/2008 19:02:09 Originally by: Cuchulain Spartan Edited by: Cuchulain Spartan on 11/12/2008 18:59:04 Originally by: Canjaio CCP knew this problem existed for a long time before they did any banning. They knew about it long enough to create a new game mechanic, alchemy. The knew long enough to test and impliment it and give it a few weeks to get settled into the game. Alchemy is just the bandaid to cover up the expected turmoil in the T2 market and to minimize emorage quit fallout in the masses. Well said. I hope this isnt true but given CCP history you are more than likely correct. I disagree. There is no hard proof that CCP knew anything about this. There won't be unless CCP explicitly states it. We cannot go off the word of one guy. Unfortunately, CCP is not likely to tell us how long they've known. I suppose it's even possible their records were not well maintained 4 years ago so they may not even know how long they've "known." We need moar informations! edit: I disagreed before you edited. ------------- Stop whining. Originally by: Puupuu dude... your face... Originally by: MooKids I have an elite rating in HULL TANKING! That is like saying I can block punches with my face.
MyOwnSling Gallente Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.12.11 19:04:00 - [5] Originally by: Ryel Theon Originally by: Millenia Fallenwing Can someone please prove that BoB did not exploit this, nor were they involved with this. You know you can't prove a negative, right? Sure you can, but that's not how it works in the real world. Innocent until proven guilty. ------------- Stop whining. Originally by: Puupuu dude... your face... Originally by: MooKids I have an elite rating in HULL TANKING! That is like saying I can block punches with my face.
MyOwnSling Gallente Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.12.11 19:13:00 - [6] Originally by: Mr Manufacture Originally by: MyOwnSling Originally by: Ryel Theon Originally by: Millenia Fallenwing Can someone please prove that BoB did not exploit this, nor were they involved with this. You know you can't prove a negative, right? Sure you can, but that's not how it works in the real world. Innocent until proven guilty. A handy mechanism for MM right now, who are looking dangerously like the alliance who most 'benefitted' from this 'error' I have neither seen nor heard anything to suggest this aside from your allegations. Not even a peep in alliance. FYI there is a reason your thread got locked. ------------- Stop whining. Originally by: Puupuu dude... your face... Originally by: MooKids I have an elite rating in HULL TANKING! That is like saying I can block punches with my face.
MyOwnSling Gallente Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.12.11 19:17:00 - [7] Edited by: MyOwnSling on 11/12/2008 19:17:56 Originally by: NeoTheo attention to the important details I think this is key. If the initial reports of 4 years of misuse are proven true, then it's going to come back to this. Important details got lost/ignored/overlooked. ------------- Stop whining. Originally by: Puupuu dude... your face... Originally by: MooKids I have an elite rating in HULL TANKING! That is like saying I can block punches with my face.
MyOwnSling Gallente Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.12.11 19:33:00 - [8] Originally by: LoganFire One thing that CCP are not telling you is that this exploit was used and abused by Gms, thats why it never been spotted till now lol proof? ------------- Stop whining. Originally by: Puupuu dude... your face... Originally by: MooKids I have an elite rating in HULL TANKING! That is like saying I can block punches with my face.
MyOwnSling Gallente Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.12.11 19:43:00 - [9] Originally by: Allanah If this has indeed been going on for 4 years as suggested by the SH forums and this eve-o post, then the whole market is completly ... i dont even know what to say. The market, the 0.0 mechanics, just about everything in the game would be VERY affected by this. This is bad... Yeah, pretty much, considering the sheer volume that would have been injected into the market. ------------- Stop whining. Originally by: Puupuu dude... your face... Originally by: MooKids I have an elite rating in HULL TANKING! That is like saying I can block punches with my face.
MyOwnSling Gallente Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.12.11 19:49:00 - [10] Originally by: Solomon XI Quote: On December 7th 2008, a date which will live in infamy, a petition from a concerned player alerted us to a serious problem with Starbase reactors. The petition had been filed five days earlier, a far longer waiting time than we can accept with our current queue status and we have now taken measures to fix that. We immediately started investigating the issue and found that there was indeed a problem and that it was being exploited to gain unfair advantages. We discovered seven corporations with multiple Starbases set up for the express purpose of exploiting the issue. Three of those corporations were members of two alliances. We took immediate action against the offenders and banned over 70 accounts and destroyed all the Starbases run by the corporations in question. All the offending corporations are now effectively inactive as a result of our actions. The corporations were producing high end materials for T2 production. Working with the Research & Statistics team we have established that the effects on the markets have been considerable and far reaching. The effects of our actions against the exploiters will also be felt on the market as the production of the materials has been cut substantially. However, supply should increase again once players have mastered the alchemy process. We are still conducting operations to deal with this matter and we will keep you posted on the progress and results as things develop. Update: This matter will be brought up at a CSM and CCP meeting this upcoming weekend. Alright, that is a good start. However you've failed to address other important issues, CCP. Obviously, the impact on the economy was significant. But you reset all market history, thus hurting the innocent and honest players. What form of ... restitution is planned? Outposts, Super-Capitals, and the like. We KNOW this exploit funded them. And won some 0.0 sov wars. How do you handle the huge 0.0 political mess this has created? I have unanswered questions. From some of the unsubstantiated posts I have read, the offenders have apparently lost titans, poses, and of course all assets due to bans. Take that as you will. ------------- Stop whining. Originally by: Puupuu dude... your face... Originally by: MooKids I have an elite rating in HULL TANKING! That is like saying I can block punches with my face.

MyOwnSling Gallente Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.12.11 19:52:00 - [11] Originally by: Gnulpie Keep digging! But be careful with incomplete information. I couldn't agree more. Much digging to still be done. I am actually quite interested to see what happens to the economy and the 0.0 dynamic. ------------- Stop whining. Originally by: Puupuu dude... your face... Originally by: MooKids I have an elite rating in HULL TANKING! That is like saying I can block punches with my face.
MyOwnSling Gallente Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.12.11 19:55:00 - [12] Originally by: Ryel Theon Originally by: MyOwnSling Originally by: Ryel Theon Originally by: Millenia Fallenwing Can someone please prove that BoB did not exploit this, nor were they involved with this. You know you can't prove a negative, right? Sure you can, but that's not how it works in the real world. Innocent until proven guilty. You, sir, are either the greatest philosopher who ever lived or an idiot. I know which one my money is on. Care to point out my error? I am approaching it from a practical point of view, not philosophical. I can prove that you didn't do something with the proper information and tools. How can you argue otherwise? ------------- Stop whining. Originally by: Puupuu dude... your face... Originally by: MooKids I have an elite rating in HULL TANKING! That is like saying I can block punches with my face.
MyOwnSling Gallente Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.12.11 19:59:00 - [13] Originally by: Solomon XI Originally by: MyOwnSling From some of the unsubstantiated posts I have read, the offenders have apparently lost titans, poses, and of course all assets due to bans. Take that as you will. At the same time, by MM own admission, your alliance suffered losses because this exploit was being, well, exploited. We know that the offending corporations have suffered asset freezes, pos-removal, bannings, and the like. However. What we do not currently know is if these exploits contributed to super-capitals & outposts (which, in all likelihood, they did). I cannot help but wonder if some 0.0 wars have been won because of this exploit. If so, the alliances which were involved in one way or another with corporations using this exploit should have their full 0.0 SOV reset. We also do not know for sure the devastation CCP has caused when they reset the eve-market price histories for a number of various items. People have lost money due to an action CCP failed to announce in advance. Restitution is owed. Honestly, I have heard no such admission, but that doesn't mean one does not exist. I really hope that's not the case, but if it is, oh well. I agree, restitution is most definitely owed. But how do you figure out who owes what and how much? I think that would be the biggest challenge. ------------- Stop whining. Originally by: Puupuu dude... your face... Originally by: MooKids I have an elite rating in HULL TANKING! That is like saying I can block punches with my face.
MyOwnSling Gallente Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.12.11 23:20:00 - [14] Originally by: Ryel Theon Go look up 'negative proof' in wikipedia. Did you even read the article? The first two lines show that it doesn't apply here. You can indeed prove a negative. But you cannot use lack of evidence for the negative as proof of the positive. And that is all I am saying. You can easily prove that someone did not do something. You just can't infer lack of proof of that to mean that they did do it. ------------- Stop whining. Originally by: Puupuu dude... your face... Originally by: MooKids I have an elite rating in HULL TANKING! That is like saying I can block punches with my face.
MyOwnSling Gallente Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.12.11 23:39:00 - [15] Originally by: Mr Manufacture Originally by: MyOwnSling Originally by: Ryel Theon Go look up 'negative proof' in wikipedia. Did you even read the article? The first two lines show that it doesn't apply here. You can indeed prove a negative. But you cannot use lack of evidence for the negative as proof of the positive. And that is all I am saying. You can easily prove that someone did not do something. You just can't infer lack of proof of that to mean that they did do it. is that like the evidence you had when you whined on CAOD about BoB haxsploits? suck it up MM, the shoe is fitting rather nicely I wouldn't know, I don't post there. ------------- Stop whining. Originally by: Puupuu dude... your face... Originally by: MooKids I have an elite rating in HULL TANKING! That is like saying I can block punches with my face.

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