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Aqua Feinna
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Posted - 2008.12.16 05:32:00 -
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I support cva.
However, Theres no such thing as god, ingame nor real life.
Nuf said
People that belive in this stuff is all brain washed.
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Aqua Feinna
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Posted - 2008.12.16 05:35:00 -
[32]
 Originally by: Robert Kauliford
Edited by: Robert Kauliford on 15/12/2008 22:28:32
Originally by: Grr
Edited by: Grr on 15/12/2008 17:20:41
Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
It is disappointing that CVA directly after the show of conciliation in the form of accepting a Gallentean executor would follow by a sign aggression.
Despite the stated goals of anti-piracy and -terrorism, it is, unfortunately, still very doubtful that CVA will refrain from attacking Republic-loyal ships, even in cases where these loyalists have never engaged in any sort of piracy or terrorism.
Or does the new CVA leadership have new plans for to differentiate between these? What is the policy in Derelik regarding e.g. Electus Matari or the Tribal Liberation Force?
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Diplomat
Electus Matari
CVA policy has not changed, we are simply now going to include the Ammatar Mandate in our area of influence.
Terrorists, thieves, pirates and anybody working against the Amarr Empire will remain kill on sight as always. Electus Matari and the Tribal Liberation Force of course fall under some of these categories.
Law abiding citizens need not be concerned.
I hope this clears things up for you.
I hate to point out the obvious but just where does your 'area of influence' end?
It ends when ur sorry a** noobnees is slughters ****d in the a** and u left for dead. CVA will kill all pirates no matter the size. We wil kill you one way or another. deal with it.
Join cva and its allies for the true and only pvp you will ever get out of your game time.
Nuf said
now go f-urself
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Aria Jenneth
Caldari
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.12.16 06:06:00 -
[33]
... okay. It appears the Crusade isn't the only Amarrian institution employing the Demented.
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Bagler
The Flaming Sideburn's
Sons-Of-Anarchy
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Posted - 2008.12.16 08:08:00 -
[34]
Intresting now we have a papa "Urban II" calling for a crusade against the infidels, to "liberate" the holy land.. i love this game
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Myrhial Arkenath
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.12.16 08:49:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Aria Jenneth
Originally by: Xennith
Originally by: Myrhial Arkenath
Originally by: Poreuomai
I will never understand why there are Minmatar who help those racists who would enslave them given half a chance.
Better to serve in heaven than reign in hell, it would seem.
Once CVA spread their corruption, you'll see that being subservient to them is anything but heaven. I'd rather die than surrender my freedom, or the freedom of my captured brothers.
Those that give up everything to suckle on the CVA teat will find that the money lining their pockets cant buy back their souls.
Or buy respite from our guns.
Your comments, pilot, are well-taken but a little misaimed. I'm pretty much certain that our CEO's comments were meant to be wry, if not outright ironic. Ghost Festival is KOS to CVA and has been fighting a low-level mutual war (officially) with the Ammatar Free Corp and (unofficially) AFC's "Thukker" allies, Starbridge.
We're not exactly chummy with the neighboring Amarr. Our reasons differ from yours, of course, but I don't see us knuckling under to CVA any time in the near future.
Aria is correct. The Minmatar (Ammatar?) of which Poreuomai spoke seem to think of servitude to the Amarr as heaven, and of freedom as hell. And thus I flipped the expression around just to show how backwards that idea is. Servitude is never heaven and freedom is never hell.
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Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.12.16 11:00:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
You'd rather kill your innominate 'brothers', as they constitute much of the crew of the innocent shipping you destroy.
You crew your ships with slaves? I really should try to get some of my infiltrators aboard, a little sabotage would certainly make my life easier. Its typical of your ilk to hide behind human shields, but you cannot expect me to allow you to do as you will for the risk of a little "collateral damage".
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Perhaps it would be beneficial (for one can hope for a balanced, inquisitive mind), for you to see our efforts first hand.
Ive seen them. Often in small pieces floating around in space.
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We are building the Mandate with a view to inter-prosperity for peaceloving, legitimate peoples. Why not take a step out from the shadow of your propaganda and hear the truth?
Legitimate peoples? What about freedom for everyone? prosperity for everyone? Subjugating an entire race as slaves and trying to tell me that this is a good thing... as long as you aren't a slave? I'll pass thanks. |
Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.12.16 11:02:00 -
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Thank you for the correction Aria Jenneth, sadly due to previous acts of aggression my pod systems have your Corp marked as hostile (I think...) so I jumped to the wrong conclusion.
It is a pity that in this case the enemy of my enemy is also my enemy, it seems counter productive to me. |
Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.12.16 11:44:00 -
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Edited by: Scagga Laebetrovo on 16/12/2008 11:44:24
There is more than one way to interact with a burgeoning co-prosperity sphere than with your guns, Miss Xennith. If you opt to put away with terror tactics, that is.
Originally by: Xennith
It is a pity that in this case the enemy of my enemy is also my enemy, it seems counter productive to me.
Bear in mind that the Cartel is a greater enemy to the tribal 'republic' than it ever was to the Mandate. As counter-intuitive as this may be to my normal suggestions - simple consultation of the facts will prove me to be quite correct in this matter. If anything, those words would be more appropriate coming from me.
Do not be lulled into a false sense of personal moral security, Miss Xennith - that of even entertaining bedding your actions with the cartel criminals; indeed this simply gives weight to those who claim you to be pirates. Remember that the Ammatar are principled, legitimate people who are bringing peace and prosperity to all who care to share our environment.
One may ask one's self, 'Why does Scagga, a sworn enemy of the terrorist causes, try to reason with you?' In the context of our mutual immortality, our conflict cannot be ended by force. Our battles are only pauses in the only process that can bring either of us a desirable result - that of reason. However - in the meantime, war is profit for myself so I am happy to wait for you to approach the table with your message of parley.
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Myrhial Arkenath
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.12.16 12:56:00 -
[39]
Ms. Xennith, you may want to check up with the diplomatic lead of your alliance on the finer details of those standings and the reason they have not been reset.
Mr. Laebetrovo, did you miss the part where the Cartel has aided Minmatar citizens in Skarkon? So why exactly would the Cartel be a bigger enemy to the Republic than the Mandate?
Diary of a pod pilot |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar
Gradient
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.12.16 13:08:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Myrhial Arkenath
Mr. Laebetrovo, did you miss the part where the Cartel has aided Minmatar citizens in Skarkon? So why exactly would the Cartel be a bigger enemy to the Republic than the Mandate?
Seems this is common to all enemies of the Republic: calling an invasion "aid".
That said, if I have to pick between the two enemies, I'll pick the Cartel any day. Evil done out of selfish motives is more humane than and preferrable to an evil religious cosmology.
Elsebeth Rhiannon
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Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.12.16 13:28:00 -
[41]
Edited by: Xennith on 16/12/2008 13:34:34
Originally by: Myrhial Arkenath
Ms. Xennith, you may want to check up with the diplomatic lead of your alliance on the finer details of those standings and the reason they have not been reset.
I followed this up, yes, I think I understand now.
Anyhow, Scagga, I have no desire to derail this thread with yet another boring round of "Who has the moral highground" because frankly its unimportant. Once everyone has the right to self determination, I'll have nothing more to fight for and can invest my energies in getting rather fantastically rich. You wanted me to parlay? There you have it.
As for this invasion of Empire space by the CVA, I dont think that "spreading the word of god" is going to be as easy as they would like, hopefully we can minimise collateral damage and keep innocent casualties to a bare minimum.
Its certainly going to be interesting fighting CVAs lapdogs outside of their home turf. |
Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.12.16 13:38:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Xennith
Anyhow, Scagga, I have no desire to derail this thread with yet another boring round of "Who has the moral highground" because frankly its unimportant. Once everyone has the right to self determination, I'll have nothing more to fight for and can invest my energies in getting rather fantastically rich. You wanted me to parlay? There you have it.
More unsurprising is how you completely missed the point. Simply rereading what you are replying to will reveal that I never made any mention of 'moral highground', or who had it.
The point, which you made no effort to contest, I shall repeat:
In the context of our mutual immortality, our conflict cannot be ended by force. Our battles are only pauses in the only process that can bring either of us a desirable result - that of reason.
With that in mind, the long term achievement of your extended 'altercation' with the peace-loving people of the Mandate will only be the gained experience of the capsuleers, and the loss of countless disposable co-tribalists who we use in the crews of our ships. Therefore the only way to solve the problem you try to fight for is to unconditionally put down your weapons and make your unelegant way to frank discussion with the civilised Ammatar interlocutors. A game of semantics in your reply will not be appreciated.
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Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.12.16 14:21:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
In the context of our mutual immortality, our conflict cannot be ended by force. Our battles are only pauses in the only process that can bring either of us a desirable result - that of reason.
Well, we've tried reason. That failed very quickly, so force is really the only option left to us. Whilst its unlikely that violence will ever produce a complete resolution to the problem, I cannot stand by wringing my hands and waiting for the problem to resolve itself. I'd rather take a small victory in a long running conflict than watch as my inaction leads to more and more enslaved and subjugated people. Those slaves I have managed to free agree with me, they are happy to be able to decide their own fate.
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With that in mind, the long term achievement of your extended 'altercation' with the peace-loving people of the Mandate will only be the gained experience of the capsuleers, and the loss of countless disposable co-tribalists who we use in the crews of our ships.
I'd rather die free than live as a slave. As would any one who has been trodden underfoot for their entire lives.
I think a career in politics would suit you well, the ability to dismiss the ongoing conflict as an "altercation" marks you as a man well suited for debate with the Republican leadership.
Xennith spits
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Therefore the only way to solve the problem you try to fight for is to unconditionally put down your weapons and make your unelegant way to frank discussion with the civilised Ammatar interlocutors. A game of semantics in your reply will not be appreciated.
Ive stated my goals, I'll be happy to end this violence as soon as it is no longer needed. I'm not that blood thirsty... just driven. |
dame death
Minmatar
Expirates are us
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Posted - 2008.12.16 15:50:00 -
[44]
Hmm this area could be getting a little hot.
Logs of a Brutor |
Nausea
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Posted - 2008.12.16 17:12:00 -
[45]
*Nausea sits back in her seat and chuckles at some of the responses to the announcement, shaking her head slowly*
Ah, the ways that you could respond to this announcement...
Some could view this as continuation of the 'punishment' being levied on the Mandate by the new Empress for a significant portion of it's leadership defecting; people in positions of power obviously deciding that the Ammatar can not be trusted to get the job done themselves, so they will get it done for them.
Others could view this as CVA making a polite cough at a restaurant, leaning over and carefully trying to take a part of someone else's meal while most of everyone else are not paying too much attention. Or atleast ambushing their sauce. Either way it is an attempt to take something they didn't start with.
Others still I imagine greet this announcement with a resounding 'meh', and decide that it shall be business as usual regardless what happens.
Myself? Oh, I think this shall prove to provide interesting times. I can't say with a straight face that I wish the CVA good luck; I gift that instead as an extra serving to Aria, Myrhial and the others. I certainly wish luck to the more peaceable elements inside Electus Matari; i've always had a soft spot for people that try to make things a bit better despite the odds. And to Xennith in particular, I wish you luck because you haven't given in to the same degree of bloodlust as most of the members of or your organisation, who won't be happy until every slave is freed, aswell as every Amarrian man, woman, child, and associate is lying dead at their feet.
I imagine the Militia is about to get an equally interesting time too...
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Nebulous
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.12.16 17:34:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Xennith
Anyhow, Scagga, I have no desire to derail this thread with yet another boring round of "Who has the moral highground"
Scagga will never have the highground for his morals are based on that of a traiterous dog, infact I think I hear Hardin calling him...... must be time for his walk
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2008.12.16 18:34:00 -
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Nebulous, I'd have to disagree with you in this one respect. Scagga's loyalty to the Amarr and the Ammatar is actually as transitory as his loyalty to... well, anything else. Scagga's only real loyalty is to the highest bidder, and however long that person can continue to pay him.
Did you know he's tried to pawn off stolen Federal Navy hardware to me, of all people? I'm sure his employers would just love to know he's been trying to secure back-room deals with a Federation paramilitary that's an almost universal fixture on the "known agitator" lists of Amarrian loyalist corporations. Well now they do, don't they?
Perhaps I should have bought the stuff, and used it against them, just for the irony.
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.12.16 19:47:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Did you know he's tried to pawn off stolen Federal Navy hardware to me, of all people?
Amusing...and I'm sure you're going to provide proof of these wild accusations?
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Starbud Paul
Amarr
DEADLY RENEGADE ELITE ASSASSIN MERC SQUAD
Rogue Intentions
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Posted - 2008.12.16 20:48:00 -
[49]
all i Have to say YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
More CVA and your collective carebear Puppets in derelik "mouth water's" AWSOME !!!! MORE KILLS with less travel 
I bet before anything is done they only come to fight when They have number on ur enemy's 100 to 1 
Be seeing ya :D
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Aria Jenneth
Caldari
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.12.16 21:11:00 -
[50]
Mr ... Paul:
Well, you're (somewhat) correct that CVA isn't shy about using overwhelming numbers, but I'm afraid you won't get much embarrassment from them over that.
We can probably expect fast scout-tacklers or Ammatar Free Corp / Starbridge bait ships (or the odd "lone" CVA) backed up by overwhelming force. One pirate to another, be careful what you grab.
Good hunting.
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Adeptus mecanicus
The Flaming Sideburn's
Sons-Of-Anarchy
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Posted - 2008.12.17 02:00:00 -
[51]
somewhere in derelik unpoliced space
adeptus stirres from his thukker ale stupor when the ship computer starts bleeping,
his bloodshot eyes reads the message and he quickly types a responce.
bagler just you wait!
well looks nice and important that statement.....but you know a sales pitch is is still a sales pitch. so focus more on your ships IFF than waking me up after a booster deal!!!!
Grunt's
Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity. |
Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2008.12.17 07:11:00 -
[52]
Edited by: Andreus Ixiris on 17/12/2008 07:12:34
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
Amusing...and I'm sure you're going to provide proof of these wild accusations?
From log Private_Chat_(Scagga_Laebetrovo)_1101210_225349
[ 110.12.10 23:22:30 ] Scagga Laebetrovo > in the meantime
[ 110.12.10 23:22:34 ] Scagga Laebetrovo > I have 2 navy throns in rens
[ 110.12.10 23:22:37 ] Scagga Laebetrovo > interested :P?
Perfectly cross-checkable with CRC databanks if anyone with the clearence to access them thinks I've falsified them.
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CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Vikarion
Caldari
White Rose Society
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Posted - 2008.12.17 07:22:00 -
[53]
I think that Scagga is referring to the "stolen" reference.
I would happily sell Machariels to Ghost Festival - when they lose them, it hurts them for more than I helped them.
That's my opinion.
You know what? Scratch that. Logically, I'm correct, but my emotions would never allow that. So, emotionally, Scagga is wrong. Logically, if he sold you Navy Megas, big deal.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2008.12.17 07:34:00 -
[54]
Well it's Scagga. I can't imagine he came by them in an above-board fashion.
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CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Dance Commander |
Vikarion
Caldari
White Rose Society
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Posted - 2008.12.17 07:38:00 -
[55]
I don't think that's any more fair than to say "it's Ixiris, he's probably stoned out of his mind so you can't trust his logic".
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2008.12.17 08:17:00 -
[56]
I've proven myself capable of rational decision and as my corporation's killboards will attest, I'm both capable in combat myself, and am also able to draw an equally capable fighting force around myself. Scagga, meanwhile, with his variable allegience and his almost self-admitted duplicity - he once tried (unsuccessfully, I might add) to convince people that the pledge of an allegience a Minmatar traitor made to the Republic, prior to defecting to the Ammatar Mandate, was non-binding and carried no responsibility or implication of loyalty. But you're right, Vikarion, Heaven ****ing forbid I use Occam's Razor and suggest that a man with such a variable allegience and a known willingness to wiggle out of stated agreements might be untrustworthy?
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CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Dance Commander |
Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.12.17 08:35:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
But you're right, Vikarion, Heaven ****ing forbid I use Occam's Razor and suggest that a man with such a variable allegience and a known willingness to wiggle out of stated agreements might be untrustworthy?
Heaven forbit that the rest of use use Occam's razor and suggest that a man who is a long term enemy of the Amarr Empire and the Mandate is making baseless accusations against a prominent Ammatar pod-pilot in a last-ditch attempt to hurt the legitimacy of a growing pro-Amarrian league.
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Vikarion
Caldari
White Rose Society
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Posted - 2008.12.17 08:35:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
I've proven myself capable of rational decision and as my corporation's killboards will attest, I'm both capable in combat myself, and am also able to draw an equally capable fighting force around myself. Scagga, meanwhile, with his variable allegience and his almost self-admitted duplicity - he once tried (unsuccessfully, I might add) to convince people that the pledge of an allegience a Minmatar traitor made to the Republic, prior to defecting to the Ammatar Mandate, was non-binding and carried no responsibility or implication of loyalty. But you're right, Vikarion, Heaven ****ing forbid I use Occam's Razor and suggest that a man with such a variable allegience and a known willingness to wiggle out of stated agreements might be untrustworthy?
You misunderstand, pilot. I'm not saying that your use of boosters at one point (and not repeated, to my knowledge) has anything to do with this - in fact, the opposite is true. I say that Scagga's change of allegiance has nothing to do with how he may have acquired those Megathrons.
Many of the capsuleers here have changed allegiance or corporation during their careers. Most also do not consider that to necessarily indicate a lack of trustworthiness with material possessions.
As a trader, I am quite aware of the presence of corporate thieves and scammers in the cluster. I am also careful where I put my ISK. But stating without proof that Scagga is such is an injustice, in my mind.
Unless you have prior instances you can report, of course, in which case I retract my objections.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2008.12.17 08:45:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel
Heaven forbit that the rest of use use Occam's razor and suggest that a man who is a long term enemy of the Amarr Empire and the Mandate is making baseless accusations against a prominent Ammatar pod-pilot in a last-ditch attempt to hurt the legitimacy of a growing pro-Amarrian league.
That's an interesting choice of words, there, Nomakai - isn't it meant to be "pro-Ammatar"? Or has the mask finally come off?
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CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.12.17 09:04:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel
Heaven forbit that the rest of use use Occam's razor and suggest that a man who is a long term enemy of the Amarr Empire and the Mandate is making baseless accusations against a prominent Ammatar pod-pilot in a last-ditch attempt to hurt the legitimacy of a growing pro-Amarrian league.
That's an interesting choice of words, there, Nomakai - isn't it meant to be "pro-Ammatar"? Or has the mask finally come off?
I don't see how the concepts of being Pro-Ammatar and Pro-Amarr are in any way in opposition at this time.
Now if I said "Pro-Sarum" or "pro-Ardishapur" you might have an inkling (or less) of support.
When I say Pro-Amarr I mean Pro-Amarr. Supporting ALL the people of the Amarrian faith, supporting everyone who pledge their allegiance to the one true God and supporting everyone that accept the word of the scriptures into their hearts and minds.
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