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Esti Lone
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Posted - 2008.12.15 14:37:00 -
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After a long time spending my spare time missioning for pirate factions I wonder how long will this remain as it is now or if CCP will ever revamp pirate LP stores.
Missioning in 0.0 should be at least equal to empire, at least for me it's not.
Cons:
*You lose massive empire faction standings.
*Most rats have no bounty, being looting tags the only way to get isk from them.
*Missions are made in 0.0 space, where getting supplies is harder than empire, where any hostile gang can gank you with no wardec, etc.
*LP store lacks items, empire lp store ammo is better, no modules.
Pros:
*Ship BPCS? Implants? It's more profitable to make isk in empire and buy them from ppl who have looted them.
*I can spend my spare time in 0.0 doing it (my case).
As I read this section from time to time I don't know if there has been a recent discussion about this and as all of you may know the search engine is a bit... ermm... you know.
Any opinions?
I strongly believe Pirate LP stores require a complete revamp.
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Captain Pompous
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Posted - 2008.12.15 22:47:00 -
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 Originally by: Esti Lone
*You lose massive empire faction standings.
Don't forget to bear in mind that empire mission-runners lose (often essentially irrepairably) massive pirate faction standings
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Carniflex
Caldari
StarHunt
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2008.12.16 07:04:00 -
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You can always repair empire faction standings - can be quite hard but it's possible, but after a certain point you can't recover pirate faction standings.
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Jason Edwards
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Posted - 2008.12.16 09:01:00 -
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Originally by: Carniflex
You can always repair empire faction standings - can be quite hard but it's possible, but after a certain point you can't recover pirate faction standings.
actually you cant because you are killing them. Meaning you cant goto high sec once you do enough missions to even be worth it.
Other cons are that these npc regions that are valuable... such as stain-sanshas is constantly a warzone and heavily over populated. To the point of you doing nearly no missions anyway.
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Carniflex
Caldari
StarHunt
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2008.12.16 09:15:00 -
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Originally by: Jason Edwards
Originally by: Carniflex
You can always repair empire faction standings - can be quite hard but it's possible, but after a certain point you can't recover pirate faction standings.
actually you cant because you are killing them. Meaning you cant goto high sec once you do enough missions to even be worth it.
Every main empire faction has 3 level 2 deep negative quality combat agents in deep low sec that will talk to everybody above -2 with that faction. Empire factions also have sidefaction from where derived modifications affect empire standings. If you are unwilling or even unable to do low sec, then there is agents also in 0.0 for empire or empire side factions (like sisters of EVE, ORE and Mordus). 0.0 should not be a problem if you are already working for pirate faction and really want to 'recover'.
If it's 'worth it' or not is debate on it's own. I'm just saying that if you really really want to you can do it. Unlike empire missionrunners who can not recover pirate standings after certain point no matter what they do in game.
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Patri Andari
Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
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Posted - 2008.12.16 11:03:00 -
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Originally by: Carniflex
Originally by: Jason Edwards
Originally by: Carniflex
You can always repair empire faction standings - can be quite hard but it's possible, but after a certain point you can't recover pirate faction standings.
actually you cant because you are killing them. Meaning you cant goto high sec once you do enough missions to even be worth it.
Every main empire faction has 3 level 2 deep negative quality combat agents in deep low sec that will talk to everybody above -2 with that faction. Empire factions also have sidefaction from where derived modifications affect empire standings. If you are unwilling or even unable to do low sec, then there is agents also in 0.0 for empire or empire side factions (like sisters of EVE, ORE and Mordus). 0.0 should not be a problem if you are already working for pirate faction and really want to 'recover'.
If it's 'worth it' or not is debate on it's own. I'm just saying that if you really really want to you can do it. Unlike empire missionrunners who can not recover pirate standings after certain point no matter what they do in game.
Just to piggy back here. Do not forget Data Centers. Expensive option? Yes. but even if you drop below -5 with any empire faction there is an option to "buy" your way back into good graces with enemy tags. AFAIK this is not an option when trying to gain standing with pirate factions
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Mocram
Caldari
Inventores Lda.
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Posted - 2008.12.16 11:38:00 -
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Data Centers?
Always questioned myself what we could do with all those tags.
Are there Special Agents to accept those tgs in return to Standing? And What Kind of Standing, I suppose it must be Faction.
Also, those Faction Tags like shadows, Dark Blood, Etc..., can they be exchanged to?
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Slayton Ford
STK Scientific
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2008.12.16 21:06:00 -
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As someone who has run pirate missions, I just pick and choose the missions. Guristas give out a fair number of missions against Mordus Legion, Angels, drones and even mercs. I'd say less then half of the missions requests have been against the Caldari State or Amarr empire. Even then, loosing faction against Amarr isnt as bad as against Caldari.
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Babel
Utopian Research I.E.L.
Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2008.12.16 22:59:00 -
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Other Cons:
It's harder ...
Other Pros:
It's harder ... :)
Essentially you can at times make more money, misions pay more, they pay a LOT more LPs etc. If a hard reliable number of isk/hr is yr thing tho - missioning in 0.0 won't be. And don't expect to have an easy time flying a Freighter thru hisec of an empire that has you at -5 or lower [altho other ships are notsomuch a problem].
If a challenge and something more fun than grinding is your thing - then yes, is definately worthwhile. You also pickup a whole bunch of very useful skills ..... or die lots :D
It's a question of taste and attitude really.
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foobarx
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Posted - 2008.12.16 23:21:00 -
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If it's 'worth it' or not is debate on it's own. I'm just saying that if you really really want to you can do it. Unlike empire missionrunners who can not recover pirate standings after certain point no matter what they do in game.
Is this really true? What if you had a mate with good standing take the mission and then split the rewards with the squad when it was complete?
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Venomae
Thundercats
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.17 08:13:00 -
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Originally by: Carniflex
You can always repair empire faction standings - can be quite hard but it's possible, but after a certain point you can't recover pirate faction standings.
This!
Don't forget that you can always run around empire in pod and even enter into others mission in pod or shuttle to gain standings again.
It's not impossible, but you need help to do so.
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Carniflex
Caldari
StarHunt
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2008.12.17 08:14:00 -
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Originally by: foobarx
If it's 'worth it' or not is debate on it's own. I'm just saying that if you really really want to you can do it. Unlike empire missionrunners who can not recover pirate standings after certain point no matter what they do in game.
Is this really true? What if you had a mate with good standing take the mission and then split the rewards with the squad when it was complete?
Faction standings are not shared. If faction is below -2 then no agent in that faction will talk to you regardless of corporation or personal standings with that agent. And at some some point in empire missionrunner career he will be below -2 with every pirate faction and all sidefactions that give derived modifications. Even taking diplomacy lev 5 into account. Thus if he will want to work for pirate faction his only option will be new character.
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foobarx
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Posted - 2008.12.17 08:36:00 -
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Faction standings are not shared. If faction is below -2 then no agent in that faction will talk to you regardless of corporation or personal standings with that agent. And at some some point in empire missionrunner career he will be below -2 with every pirate faction and all sidefactions that give derived modifications. Even taking diplomacy lev 5 into account. Thus if he will want to work for pirate faction his only option will be new character.
Once he has personal standings with that agent, though, he can pull missions from that agent. That way he gets his own faction missions. Or is there soemthing I'm missing?
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Carniflex
Caldari
StarHunt
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2008.12.17 09:39:00 -
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Originally by: foobarx
Once he has personal standings with that agent, though, he can pull missions from that agent. That way he gets his own faction missions. Or is there soemthing I'm missing?
That is incorrect. You can have +10 personal with agent, but if you have -2 with faction he will not talk to you. If ANY (faction, corporate or personal) of your standings is below -2 that agent will no longer talk to you. You can recover corporate and personal with the help of friend, however you can't do it for faction.
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Slayton Ford
STK Scientific
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2008.12.17 22:13:00 -
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Originally by: Carniflex
Originally by: foobarx
Once he has personal standings with that agent, though, he can pull missions from that agent. That way he gets his own faction missions. Or is there soemthing I'm missing?
That is incorrect. You can have +10 personal with agent, but if you have -2 with faction he will not talk to you. If ANY (faction, corporate or personal) of your standings is below -2 that agent will no longer talk to you. You can recover corporate and personal with the help of friend, however you can't do it for faction.
This is correct. My alt had Gurista standings w/ the agent for lvl 3 missions. I happened to kill a gurista rat w/ him and it knocked his standings down so that no Gurista agent would speak to him. I ended up training Conn4 (or Dip4, cant remember right now) to fix him.
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Aredhela
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Posted - 2008.12.18 02:41:00 -
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Edited by: Aredhela on 18/12/2008 02:41:38
Doing missions for pirate corps is usually much more rewardable than misioning in hi sec.
You can get much more isk/h belive me.
1)lp form pirate factions like sansha is worth at least 3000isk/lp i you think or about 1000isk/lp if you dont think :)
2)you can get up to 20k lp per mission in 0.0(if you have maximum social skills and 4lvl 20q agent)
So its simple calculation: you get 60mil ONLY form lp but you have albs reward for mission(+4-5mil) and bounty from killed ships(if you dd mission agins angels or others oppose factions) +salvage.
If blitz missions you can make easly more than 100-120mil/h.
But thats all for a price of course. You have to move your stuff to empire what isnt safe and 0.0 missioning hubs are very very dangerous to.
So in may opinion is evrything ok. More isk = more risk.
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.12.18 02:52:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Pompous
Originally by: Esti Lone
*You lose massive empire faction standings.
Don't forget to bear in mind that empire mission-runners lose (often essentially irrepairably) massive pirate faction standings
Yes :(. If I had only known earlier.
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