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Dagda Morr Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.12.17 09:43:00 - [31] Edited by: Dagda Morr on 17/12/2008 09:44:42 If this offering isn't a scam, there is absolutely no valid reason to refuse an audit - any of the auditors here are trusted by the community and would not disclose anything that might be useful to your competitors or might jeopardize your plan. A nicely laid out IPO is a good start but guarantees nothing. The typically general "I buy low sell high" is vague enough to suggest that you have no real plan - without an auditor to confirm that you have experience of generating these returns as well as the required skills your IPO is no different to the well rehearsed patter of a conman.
Rho'varo Minmatar Diversified Operational Services	Posted - 2008.12.17 11:24:00 - [32] Originally by: 720 IÆve done extensive research on the needs of having an audit by a trusted member of the MD community... Your implicit assessment of all recognised auditors as untrustworthy is interesting. In this your actions speak louder than your words: your decision amounts to a strong argument against trusting you. P.S. Maple Syrup What's this meme all about? urbandictionary.com, which often helps me keep up with the modern world's proliferation of new-fangled memes, suggests that "maple syrup" might be a quaint idiomatic Canadian code for methamphetamines, but that doesn't seem to fit. Google was also uncharacteristically unhelpful.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2008.12.17 13:20:00 - [33] Originally by: Rho'varo P.S. Maple Syrup What's this meme all about? urbandictionary.com, which often helps me keep up with the modern world's proliferation of new-fangled memes, suggests that "maple syrup" might be a quaint idiomatic Canadian code for methamphetamines, but that doesn't seem to fit. Google was also uncharacteristically unhelpful. Early family guy episode, a random gentleman is struck in the head while in the middle of investment talks on his cellphone and when struck exclaims "Invest evrything in hot delicious pancake with maple syrup" ....Im quite frankly amused its picked up use among someone other than me
Syrion1984 Gallente UK Corp Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.12.17 13:56:00 - [34] Edited by: Syrion1984 on 17/12/2008 13:59:08 I'll take 200M worth as well.
Vikarion Caldari White Rose Society	Posted - 2008.12.17 15:55:00 - [35] I'd hoped to see the issuer of this bond address some of these concerns. Since they have not done so, I am withdrawing my reservation of 200 million. Good luck, all.
SiJira	Posted - 2008.12.17 16:05:00 - [36] Originally by: Kazzac Elentria Early family guy episode, a random gentleman is struck in the head while in the middle of investment talks on his cellphone and when struck exclaims "Invest evrything in hot delicious pancake with maple syrup" ....Im quite frankly amused its picked up use among someone other than me you cant cover it up because its up over 500 percent in the last two quarters Trashed sig, Shark was here
cosmoray Cosmoray Construction	Posted - 2008.12.17 16:33:00 - [37] So the OP has given up replying, and doesn't want to answer questions about an audit. This usually means they want to depart with the cash. SCAM.
SiJira	Posted - 2008.12.17 17:06:00 - [38] Edited by: SiJira on 17/12/2008 17:06:12 Originally by: cosmoray So the OP has given up replying, and doesn't want to answer questions about an audit. why do people invest at all history shows that you either get less than 5 percent secured which can be done for less work on your own or you try to get more and get scammed most of the time Trashed sig, Shark was here
Erik Reister	Posted - 2008.12.17 18:04:00 - [39] Originally by: cosmoray So the OP has given up replying, and doesn't want to answer questions about an audit. This usually means they want to depart with the cash. SCAM. holy crap-o cosmoray This guy posts late last night, and since he has not replied to comments for less then 24 hours, you say its a SCAM. I think you need to check yourself and think about most people in this game. If they played last night for 3 hours, posting this at the beginning of their playtime, I probably wouldn't call them a scammer after that same time comes around the next day. Even then you never know if something came up where he needed to work a double or something, many people will address concerns when they get the time, they don't post the IPO and sit at the computer refreshing.
Ty Frisco RennTech	Posted - 2008.12.17 18:11:00 - [40] Originally by: Erik Reister Originally by: cosmoray So the OP has given up replying, and doesn't want to answer questions about an audit. This usually means they want to depart with the cash. SCAM. holy crap-o cosmoray This guy posts late last night, and since he has not replied to comments for less then 24 hours, you say its a SCAM. I think you need to check yourself and think about most people in this game. If they played last night for 3 hours, posting this at the beginning of their playtime, I probably wouldn't call them a scammer after that same time comes around the next day. Even then you never know if something came up where he needed to work a double or something, many people will address concerns when they get the time, they don't post the IPO and sit at the computer refreshing. QFT He's quite the naysayer. If you don't fit his little criterium, it's a scam. He also posts his opinions as facts.

Ms Sade	Posted - 2008.12.17 18:17:00 - [41] Originally by: Ty Frisco Originally by: Erik Reister Originally by: cosmoray So the OP has given up replying, and doesn't want to answer questions about an audit. This usually means they want to depart with the cash. SCAM. holy crap-o cosmoray This guy posts late last night, and since he has not replied to comments for less then 24 hours, you say its a SCAM. I think you need to check yourself and think about most people in this game. If they played last night for 3 hours, posting this at the beginning of their playtime, I probably wouldn't call them a scammer after that same time comes around the next day. Even then you never know if something came up where he needed to work a double or something, many people will address concerns when they get the time, they don't post the IPO and sit at the computer refreshing. QFT He's quite the naysayer. If you don't fit his little criterium, it's a scam. He also posts his opinions as facts. Hey, this is the interweb - everything is fact and true... my teacher even accepts it as a quotable resource.
720	Posted - 2008.12.17 18:26:00 - [42] Edited by: 720 on 17/12/2008 18:35:48 Rather than responding to each post I'll condense my responses for ease consumption. Originally by: cosmoray So the OP has given up replying, and doesn't want to answer questions about an audit. This usually means they want to depart with the cash. SCAM. Actually, I needed to leave my place of employment and run some errands (including updating market orders). I didnÆt realize there was an expectation that I should reply sooner than a few hours. Originally by: cosmoray you have been posting on the forums for over 4 years. You need 1B after playing for 4 years? Why do you need cash? I am guessing this character is purchased? Actually each of those is wrong. As Vikarion mentioned, my history on these forums is less than two months, not the four years you claimed. It seems you are going to beat me up for being a long time player needing only 1B which is a scam alert (What four year player needs 1B?) or I'm a new player, "an unknown", who shouldn't be trusted to invest in. Why would I purchase a character if this is a scam (old or new)? Why not create a disposable alt? cosmoray, as a respected member of this board I do appreciate your skepticism but I feel you venom is unnecessary and not really constructive. I'm surprised you havenÆt bothered to correct your erroneous post regarding my history in the forums as well. Originally by: cosmoray Of those unknown people who REFUSED an audit and raised the ISK the SCAM rate was 50%. That means this bond is just a black or white pick in roulette. Which is why I am offering more than twice the interest rate of a comparable 1B bond which only offers 5% For twice the risk, IÆm willing to offer more than twice the rewards. Originally by: cosmoray Damien Jax Also, a 12% return per month is almost one of those too-good-to-be-true rates. What happens when he figures out he can't make the payments... I've already hedged against this by maintaining enough on hand to cover the interest for both months, 120M. Assuming I break even which I feel is whole unlikely, all investors would still made whole. To that end I would be willing to put the interest in escrow. I know this wonÆt appease those calling for an audit but it is a sign of good will. Upon further reflection, is 12% really that hard to return in the market? I feel even if I make serious mistakes I can make 12% without leaving a station. I wouldn't be offering 12% unless I thought I could beat that margin and make some profit for myself. Originally by: Kazzac Elentria - I'll give you all my stock in maple syrup for 5 bonds Let me know the volume in cubic meters and we'll see what we can work out. Originally by: Andres Talas My investment is now conditional on passing an audit. As per you request, I am removing your reservation. Originally by: Vikarion I'd hoped to see the issuer of this bond address some of these concerns. Since they have not done so, I am withdrawing my reservation of 200 million. Pardon my delay, RL took hold. Your reservation has been removed, thank you for your interest.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2008.12.17 18:58:00 - [43] I think 12% is shooting for the moon honestly. If you are doing what I think... that is cross regional buy orders, limited movement and resell in same station... then there are chances you can make upwards of 40% on some things, but the majority of quick movers are going to hover around the 10-15% mark. What sorta mgt fee do you have worked into your plan, and what happens when you cannot meet the minimum payout amounts?
cosmoray Cosmoray Construction	Posted - 2008.12.17 19:12:00 - [44] Yeah I am being moody and I won't apologise for it. Its just that I have watched over 200 IPO/Bond launches over the past 2 years, and most fit into a few categories. 1. Great rep (no audit required). people who can raise cash because of past performances. Investors are willing to invest in the name alone. Good investments lower returns 2. Good/great reputation / audit. These IPO's/bonds are launched by experienced people who have a good business plan quickly answer all questions. Even though these people have good reps they will still allow audits. Even Shar had an audit and his rep is impeccable. These have turned out to be the best investments. 3. No /limited rep / audit These are newer players requesting funds and using auditing to make up for the lack of reputation. These CEO's try their best to answer most questions (promptly). Will take advice from experienced players. Mostly good investments a couple of failures/scams 4. No rep / no audit People without reputation fail to secure business because they refuse audits, have poor plans, lack of trust, slow to respond to questions. Only 25% of these people even get funds. These investments have turned out to be the poorest in the game with a SCAM/failure rate of 50%. Sorry to the OP if you feel aggrieved, but you fit into category 4 (no rep/no audit). I would never invest in a person with no rep, if they DIDN'T have an audit. Also if you want to raise money here, you will get asked questions, if you don't answer quickly you will get flamed. Nature of the beast I'm afraid. Still wouldn't invest
720	Posted - 2008.12.17 19:32:00 - [45] Originally by: Kazzac Elentria I think 12% is shooting for the moon honestly. What sorta mgt fee do you have worked into your plan, and what happens when you cannot meet the minimum payout amounts? Well if that is the case I'm about to learn a harsh lesson, but investors will not. As I've mentioned if I did nothing with the funds I have the interest payments, I can meet those minimum payments now. And I don't expect to lose money on the capital. My presumption is anything over the 12% will be profit. My target is 3-8%. I've been hitting about 15-18% on my own but there are many opportunities I'm missing out on due to lack of funds, hence the Bond.
Estel Arador Minmatar	Posted - 2008.12.17 19:44:00 - [46] Originally by: Ivar Strahm Did you establish a relationship with anyone as a result of this thread? With your young character age (1 month, 12 days), obvious alt status (no standings, corp history or contract acitivity) and limited posting history, the endeavor put forth in that thread, and those that would vouch for you, are really all that a potential investor can evaluate at this time. 720 has contacted me after I posted there. Though we have not done any business yet, it does look like we'll come to an agreement. When we do, I'll be sure to make it as secure (for me) as possible. All transactions between us will be contract-based and I will not provide 'credit' to 720 in any way. The risk I'd run, as a supplier, will be minimal as I can always sell my stuff to someone else should 720 run off. Investors have an entirely different risk-assessment to make. That said, I will not be investing in this bond. FREE! jumpclone service
cosmoray Cosmoray Construction	Posted - 2008.12.17 20:34:00 - [47] Edited by: cosmoray on 17/12/2008 20:35:42 Originally by: Estel Arador Originally by: Ivar Strahm Did you establish a relationship with anyone as a result of this thread? With your young character age (1 month, 12 days), obvious alt status (no standings, corp history or contract acitivity) and limited posting history, the endeavor put forth in that thread, and those that would vouch for you, are really all that a potential investor can evaluate at this time. 720 has contacted me after I posted there. Though we have not done any business yet, it does look like we'll come to an agreement. When we do, I'll be sure to make it as secure (for me) as possible. All transactions between us will be contract-based and I will not provide 'credit' to 720 in any way. The risk I'd run, as a supplier, will be minimal as I can always sell my stuff to someone else should 720 run off. Investors have an entirely different risk-assessment to make. That said, I will not be investing in this bond. So you expect to extend standard business terms to a potential purchaser? OP, any sign of an audit in your future?
HawkBunny	Posted - 2008.12.17 20:46:00 - [48] If your unsure about 720, and you want to take a risk with him/her. You can always invest 20-30 mill to help him/her out. Because even if he does scam u lose almost noting.
cosmoray Cosmoray Construction	Posted - 2008.12.17 20:49:00 - [49] Originally by: HawkBunny If your unsure about 720, and you want to take a risk with him/her. You can always invest 20-30 mill to help him/her out. Because even if he does scam u lose almost noting. If investors throw money at IPO's/bonds and treat the money as lost, you will just embolden lots of people to come here and try for easy money. The MD community has spent a lot of time trying to reduce the number of scams by providing a thorough inspection and oversight of most businesses. This is not to be taken lightly!
Estel Arador Minmatar	Posted - 2008.12.17 20:57:00 - [50] Originally by: cosmoray So you expect to extend standard business terms to a potential purchaser? Pretty much. FREE! jumpclone service

720	Posted - 2008.12.17 21:04:00 - [51] Originally by: cosmoray OP, any sign of an audit in your future? I feel I made my self clear in the original Bond posting. I'm really not trying to be unreasonable or combative. As I mentioned originally, I do see the purpose of an audit, I understand the issues and risks that not submitting to an audit poses to potential investors. As I said, I did extensive research into previous Bonds on this forum (I read several dozen Bond/IPO offerings from over the last two years, and their entire threads) and I know why audits are requested. As you stated previous, and I agree with, there is a much higher risk with an unknown such as myself, especially with no audit. I feel I stated that clearly as a risk in the original Bond. However, I must respectful decline to submit to one. I in no way mean to malign the MD's trusted advisers but I have given my word, to not provide certain information which can me gleaned from an audit, to anyone. It is not a matter of trusting auditors, which I do, but rather a matter of honoring a trust placed in me. If for that reason you chose not to invest, I completely understand. I don't mean to belabor the point, and I thank all of you who have brought the audit up as a concern, but there will be no audit. I will keep the Bond offering open, as I promised, until Monday. If the Bond does not achieve 1B in capital at that time I will consult with any interested investors and determine what their wishes are.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2008.12.17 21:15:00 - [52] I was mildly interested, but no audit to at least verify that you have a history of trading and the skills to do so. No investment.
Darin Raltin Amarr Two Brothers Mining Corp. Kraftwerk.	Posted - 2008.12.17 22:15:00 - [53] Could he compromise by giving out the limited API so that people can plug it into EVEmon to at least verify skills? Still doesn't show market transactions, but the lack of skills or the presense of skills might be a start.
Ricdics Tleilex Developments	Posted - 2008.12.18 00:03:00 - [54] Failure to provide API details to one of the trusted members indicates the OP has something to hide. Frankly I wouldn't invest on that point alone no matter how well written the plan. It's his constant refusal that leads me to believe he has something to hide, or something he doesn't want people knowing so my decision is made.
Vikarion Caldari White Rose Society	Posted - 2008.12.18 01:46:00 - [55] 720, I would honestly love to invest in your venture, but I simply cannot without an audit, with your unknown status. Perhaps you would ask the person who has placed their trust in you if said information could be reviewed by an auditor? If you can get an agreement, I would invest.
Ubermensch Purifier	Posted - 2008.12.18 02:54:00 - [56] Put me down for 30 million But only if there is an audit, for the reasons stated by others above.
Rho'varo Minmatar Diversified Operational Services	Posted - 2008.12.18 04:00:00 - [57] Originally by: Kazzac Elentria Maple syrup... I'm quite frankly amused it's picked up use among someone other than me. Thanks! The clip is, of course, on Youtube already. Originally by: Family Guy (Episode 03x06, "Death Lives") Guy on golf course talking on mobile phone: "The Fed is gonna be lowering rates, so get your money out of T-Bills and put it all into [gets hit on the head by golf-ball] waffles, tasty waffles with lots of syrup." Floor Trader (was on other end of that phone call), to other floor traders: "Waffles: buy waffles!" General hub-bub of all traders: "Waffles!"
HawkBunny	Posted - 2008.12.18 16:09:00 - [58] Originally by: Ricdics Failure to provide API details to one of the trusted members indicates the OP has something to hide. Frankly I wouldn't invest on that point alone no matter how well written the plan. It's his constant refusal that leads me to believe he has something to hide, or something he doesn't want people knowing so my decision is made. thats pretty personal information.
Markus De'Helude	Posted - 2008.12.18 19:49:00 - [59] Originally by: Kazzac Elentria Originally by: Rho'varo P.S. Maple Syrup What's this meme all about? urbandictionary.com, which often helps me keep up with the modern world's proliferation of new-fangled memes, suggests that "maple syrup" might be a quaint idiomatic Canadian code for methamphetamines, but that doesn't seem to fit. Google was also uncharacteristically unhelpful. Early family guy episode, a random gentleman is struck in the head while in the middle of investment talks on his cellphone and when struck exclaims "Invest evrything in hot delicious pancake with maple syrup" ....Im quite frankly amused its picked up use among someone other than me ... i thought it was waffles?
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2008.12.18 19:51:00 - [60] Originally by: Markus De'Helude Originally by: Kazzac Elentria Originally by: Rho'varo P.S. Maple Syrup What's this meme all about? urbandictionary.com, which often helps me keep up with the modern world's proliferation of new-fangled memes, suggests that "maple syrup" might be a quaint idiomatic Canadian code for methamphetamines, but that doesn't seem to fit. Google was also uncharacteristically unhelpful. Early family guy episode, a random gentleman is struck in the head while in the middle of investment talks on his cellphone and when struck exclaims "Invest evrything in hot delicious pancake with maple syrup" ....Im quite frankly amused its picked up use among someone other than me ... i thought it was waffles? It is waffles, bad memory I guess. I was focusing on the maple syrup part more than anything. Since you know increased demand for tasty breakfast pastries means more demand on syrup



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