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Posted - 2008.12.17 13:45:00 -
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Edited by: Crumplecorn on 17/12/2008 13:50:55
I love the third film, and consider the first to be the weakest of the three.
The poster two above me got it right, they basically mixed awesome action with an actual intelligent story. The action attracted the masses, who were unequipped to deal with anything more intellectual than Die Hard.
The first Matrix didn't have much story (world isn't real OMGLOL!!!one), and so people liked it. With the follow ups they added some actual complexity to the story (not that I would say it went as far as actually being complex), and when people came back for more action their fragile minds were completely overloaded. Cue hatred.
While I was disappointed that the masses gave the trilogy such a bad reputation, since the latter two were both finished production when the first of them was released, this downturn in popularity didn't adversely affect the films themselves. Due to this the lack of popularity is more than made up for by the lulz garnered from people (and let's not sugar-coat here) too stupid for the films who were suckered in by the action. This is in principle the same phenomenon as the threads in GD complaining about nonconsensual PvP.
What I don't understand is why people can't sit back and just enjoy the action in the latter movies if they don't like/get the story. They were obviously able to do it with the first film, and the action in the latter ones is so much more epic that it must surely be worth sitting through scenes that go over your head to get to them? Meh.
As for accusations of plot holes, most of these accusations are never backed up, and the few I have seen elaborated on have been, like the OP, people not knowing what is going on.
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Posted - 2008.12.17 14:35:00 -
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 Originally by: Slade Trillgon
Bad Keanue Reeves movies are like a thorn stuck under my right thumb
Bad Keanu Reeves movies are, in my experience, an oxymoron.
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Posted - 2008.12.17 14:59:00 -
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Originally by: Destination SkillQueue
I liked the two latter films just for their action scenes, but as a whole the first one is the best. It had a coherent storyline from start to finish, the action looked good and the action was easy to follow. In the later films the action was epic in a way it was in the opening scene of revenge of the sith. That is it looked amazing, but you didn't have a good sense of the overall fight. It was just some pretty pics to look at while you waited for the story to get going again. The dancing(fighting) scenes in matrix were worthy of any musical.
This paragraph says you couldn't follow the action, let alone the story.
Originally by: Destination SkillQueue
In the last two the storytelling just sucks. I think this is partly because they tried to tie the games made at the same time to the movies. This meant that some of the story was only told in the games. As a result you have parts of the story not shown in the movie and characters that don't seem to serve any purpose. I don't know actually what parts were atually affected, but if the films rely on things not actually shown in the films, they fail.
" don't know actually what parts were atually affected"
'nuff said.
Originally by: Destination SkillQueue
As for the intelligence of the films. I don't see them having any tbh. I see a lot of useles postmodern philosophy, that tries to seem intelligent rather than being intelligent. I know it's just a movie and I maybe over interpretating it, but I have seen this all too often in recent years. People who spew out jargon and seems intelligent at first glance, but don't conway any useful information and the jargon acts only as a smokescreen for the lack of real insight and serious thinking.
What were you expecting, the meaning of life? Why is it that people are divided into those who cannot understand anything beyond 'hero shoot bad guy, bad guy die' and those who demand profound philosophical insights from Hollywood?
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Posted - 2008.12.17 15:01:00 -
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Originally by: Stitcher
They guy's talent for showing up in very good films does seem to mitigate his lack of talent for acting, it's true...
He's not bad at acting, he just always plays himself. What film has he been in where his role has been anything other than an ordinary guy, possibly in extraordinary circumstances? Sometimes the role calls for someone who doesn't appear to be acting.
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Posted - 2008.12.17 15:07:00 -
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In before the Matrix is deconstructed into derivative drivel.
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Posted - 2008.12.17 15:19:00 -
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Edited by: Crumplecorn on 17/12/2008 15:19:30
Originally by: Arianhod
Lord of the Rings
Pfft. Good vs. Evil. The average EVE chronicle is better.
As for the humans-as-batteries thing, it doesn't make much sense, but its closer to sense than the stuff in most sci-fi.
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Posted - 2008.12.17 15:41:00 -
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Edited by: Crumplecorn on 17/12/2008 15:42:06
Originally by: Slade Trillgon
Enemy Mine is a much more powerfull "sci-fi" movie with much better acting to boot.
Reading the plot synopsis, it seems to be about the characters, using them as devices to put forth the greater concepts. Stories like this are always more 'powerful'. The characters in the Matrix are inconsequential, it's all about the overall story.
Unless the synopsis is horribly horribly unfair to the movie, The Matrix is larger in scope and takes on more interesting topics.
Originally by: Super Whopper
Sorry that I missed your point, sleep is weighing heavily on my eyes. However the story doesn't tell the story of a sci-fi 'Neo' just as LotR doesn't tell the story of Hobbits. That seems to be a topic for another thread though.
I've never understood the need to see all stories in terms of other stories.
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Posted - 2008.12.17 15:46:00 -
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Originally by: Taua Roqa
1st matrix film, briliant, second two....****
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Posted - 2008.12.17 23:12:00 -
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Edited by: Crumplecorn on 17/12/2008 23:15:41
Originally by: Davina Braben
It takes them on really badly.
Your assertion bounces off harmlessly causing no damage.
Originally by: Sanguis Sanies
The third movie raises the choice of control, free will and choice brilliantly by making the One simply part of the cyclical system of control.
I've always loved the way this is emphasised by having many repetitions of events in Revolutions. The cyclical nature of the system almost seems to affect the movie itself.
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Posted - 2008.12.17 23:20:00 -
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Edited by: Crumplecorn on 17/12/2008 23:20:28
Originally by: HankMurphy
i'd have emps's strapped to ppl.
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