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Mya ElleTerego The Hull Miners Union	Posted - 2008.12.19 07:52:00 - [1] Edited by: Mya ElleTerego on 19/12/2008 07:57:19 Just wondering, im bored and could use some isk to buy some new shiny stuff. Wondering if its even worth grinding up the sec status for. Im fairly confident most industrial / carebear corps would be in trouble if we did this and targetted them, but I havent been to empire in forever. Also im fairly certain I dont understand the wardec rules post privateer alliance forcing ccps hand on nerfing wardecs. Thanks, the t2 module price crash has somewhat limited my income from pvp, and I need to think about refilling the bank. Also anyone got any advice on how to siege a high sec pos? Is it just the old school way with a massive battleship blob since cap ships arent useable? Lol its been a while CEO For the Hull Miners Union [ONION] The Hull Miners Union [ONION]
Mickey Simon Noir.	Posted - 2008.12.19 08:13:00 - [2] Edited by: Mickey Simon on 19/12/2008 08:14:34 To the first question: it depends. Depends on what? On how the target reacts. Most carebear corps are split between "DOCK UP GUYS! DOCK UP!", "QUICK, LET'S CORP JUMP BEFORE THE WAR DEC HITS!", "Let's get together and pewpew" and finally "Pft, this isn't worth my time throws ISK at you". The two latter can be profitable, hell, the third can even hurt you if you're disorganised and they're not. The former two are extremely irritating, and you don't make a lot of money. (edit: in my time, I've seen plenty of the first two, and almost none of the latter two. There's also the kind that has PvP friends that wardec you, and while not neccessarily profitable [depending on how well you PvP] it's usually fun). Not too sure about hisec POS's as my POS experience is limited, but I'd say that yes, BS blob is still the way to go Meanwhile, on the other side of town . . .
Mya ElleTerego The Hull Miners Union	Posted - 2008.12.19 08:18:00 - [3] Yea we could do dreads and such, but theres something about the carebears in low sec, they would rather lose thier crap than pay us one flat cent tbh. Note we havent ever scammed anyone or not honored ransoms or any of that crap, but its like once they are there, they are commited. Im just interested in ransoming things like high sec pos, where you know there is just way too much crap for one guy to move with us bumping his hauler off station and camping them in etc. We are organized, and fairly decent at pvp, which should help. CEO For the Hull Miners Union [ONION] The Hull Miners Union [ONION]
Mickey Simon Noir.	Posted - 2008.12.19 08:44:00 - [4] Edited by: Mickey Simon on 19/12/2008 08:44:35 Well, if you're able to field a fleet to take down the POS, and they're unable to do much about it (like jumping corps etc) then you might have some luck Worst case, you should be able to grab some of the loot from the POS which, depending on the target, could be fairly profitable. Meanwhile, on the other side of town . . .
kublai Art of War	Posted - 2008.12.19 08:51:00 - [5] Decc three random large 0.0 alliances and roam/camp the major trade routes/mission hubs. We once got about 2b in loot off a Tau Ceti mission Cerberus -_- thats just delicious. A-War Recruiting
Mya ElleTerego The Hull Miners Union	Posted - 2008.12.19 08:53:00 - [6] lol that does sound interesting. I think we tried that with goons once but it turned out they all lived in empire at the time so it didnt work out so well. Might be time to try again tho. CEO For the Hull Miners Union [ONION] The Hull Miners Union [ONION]
kublai Art of War	Posted - 2008.12.19 09:07:00 - [7] Originally by: Mya ElleTerego lol that does sound interesting. I think we tried that with goons once but it turned out they all lived in empire at the time so it didnt work out so well. Might be time to try again tho. Goons drop horrible loot, BoB are too diciplined to be very profitable etc. You want alliances that have a large amount of dumb people and dumb carebears such as razor, mostly harmless, tau ceti, cva etc etc. IRC and the xXx alliances are good isk farms aswell, they can't pvp for **** and won't even try, its kind of like mining really. A-War Recruiting
Mya ElleTerego The Hull Miners Union	Posted - 2008.12.19 09:13:00 - [8] Edited by: Mya ElleTerego on 19/12/2008 09:13:38 Originally by: kublai Originally by: Mya ElleTerego lol that does sound interesting. I think we tried that with goons once but it turned out they all lived in empire at the time so it didnt work out so well. Might be time to try again tho. Goons drop horrible loot, BoB are too diciplined to be very profitable etc. You want alliances that have a large amount of dumb people and dumb carebears such as razor, mostly harmless, tau ceti, cva etc etc. IRC and the xXx alliances are good isk farms aswell, they can't pvp for **** and won't even try, its kind of like mining really. lol, well you dont have to wardec CVA, just fly into thier 0.0 and profit. But the others sound interesting. Lord knows Id love to have some empire french toast in the morning.. CEO For the Hull Miners Union [ONION] The Hull Miners Union [ONION]
Dihania Gallente SniggWaffe	Posted - 2008.12.19 09:30:00 - [9] Since you ask how well it means you know that it actually pays. So we got that out of the way. If you wardec a small corp it won't pay well, because some pilots will jump corp, some will always be docked and the rest are too few to matter and 99,99% of the them drop crap. Also a small corp will usually not pay anything. What you want is to wardec a massive carebear blob. (massive blolb ?! ). Doing this will make sure that the number of pilots who do not leave corp and do not stay docked all the time is high enough for you to find fights and targets. The higher their number the higher the chances of good loot and the higher the chance to pop some poor soul who think his CNR is the best and get some faction loot too. Also after you kill enough of them and the corp has already lost numbers and pilots stay docked they will start thinking that paying you go away is not such a bad idea. "We get killed! Come on, let's fight, let's hire mercs.. " "We got killed again, Joe and Tim left corp. Now we lack two freighters." "Screw you guys, I am not undocking, I got tired of this **." "Ok, how much did they ask, 500mil? We have a few bil in the wallet, should we pay ?" ... Also the smaller and better at pvp your corp is, the more impact you will have on them. Join "join sniggwaffe" in game.** Good Service!
Mickey Simon Noir.	Posted - 2008.12.19 09:36:00 - [10] Originally by: kublai Decc three random large 0.0 alliances and roam/camp the major trade routes/mission hubs. We once got about 2b in loot off a Tau Ceti mission Cerberus -_- thats just delicious. Mind evemailing me the system that cerberus was around? Wouldn't mind trying to find it again Meanwhile, on the other side of town . . .
kublai Art of War	Posted - 2008.12.19 09:40:00 - [11] Originally by: Mickey Simon Originally by: kublai Decc three random large 0.0 alliances and roam/camp the major trade routes/mission hubs. We once got about 2b in loot off a Tau Ceti mission Cerberus -_- thats just delicious. Mind evemailing me the system that cerberus was around? Wouldn't mind trying to find it again Put alts in the larger missioning systems and try to probe out wt's, have mains patrolling between the major mission/trade hubs and voila. Also, camping jita 4-4 with a tachyon Paladin = fun and it will insta-murder any juicy hauler long before he can manage to re-dock :D A-War Recruiting
King Rothgar	Posted - 2008.12.19 09:46:00 - [12] A while back (prior to QR) I went on a little rampage through minmatar space in a 1-3 man corp that I made. I war dec'd the biggest missioning corps I could find (independant ones only) and made a pretty good amount of isk off it. At the time it only cost 2M isk for the first war dec, 4M for the second and 6M for the third. If I could kill 1 t2 fitted BC without losing a ship, I'd turn a profit off that war dec. I only collected 2 ransoms (research POS and a corp before war dec even took effect) so most of my income was off of actual ship kills. I didn't make nearly as much as I would missioning and I did lose a couple of ships but it was fun and I turned a decent profit overall. I stopped doing it simply cause I ran out of targets in the area. Only ones left to war dec were big alliances (bad idea for 1-3 guys) and dinky 3 man corps that have nothing worth killing. Now I'm a low sec pirate, 20 to 1 kill ratio and a few ransoms and I'm losing isk from it. Might need to go ninja ratting in 0.0 for isk and sec status.
Joe Starbreaker Starbreaker Frigateers Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2008.12.19 11:07:00 - [13] I would look for the ones where some loser has been mining since 2005 and decided this year to start a corp. He's got 20-30 members and is very proud of his growing corp. He knows that his members, all newbies, will jump ship at the first sign of a well-armed cruiser, and he doesn't want to lose any member count. He'll pay, oh yes, he'll pay. ............. Now recruiting like-minded pilots.
Elienee	Posted - 2008.12.19 15:46:00 - [14] Originally by: kublai You want alliances that have a large amount of dumb people and dumb carebears such as razor, mostly harmless, tau ceti, cva etc etc. IRC and the xXx alliances are good isk farms aswell, they can't pvp for **** and won't even try, its kind of like mining really.[/quote I find this funny... "dumb carebear alliances" that have chased BOB away and doing massive damage when they did it. + Goonfeelas & TRI have also been chased away or have they disbanded already ? You sir, must either be "Biter" (and yeah I love your tears) or you are a sneaky alt that want more targets up in the north But my ISK goes on first suggestion. I guess you suck much in PVP, since you go after carebears in empire and prop belonged to one of the alliances that have been whipped out from north
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2008.12.19 15:57:00 - [15] Originally by: Elienee I guess you suck much in PVP, since you go after carebears in empire and prop belonged to one of the alliances that have been whipped out from north Yes. Kublai sucks at PvP. I say you should wardec his Corp and show him exactly how much. Please Fraps all of your battles and post them in this thread. We're Recruiting!
Chomin H'ak Integrated Takeovers	Posted - 2008.12.19 17:38:00 - [16] We're getting ready for our second war. I can't say long-term what the profit potential is as we've only been doing this for a short time. What I can say is our initial investment for ships/mods/insurance was well over 0.5b (wholesale). We mostly purchased cruisers/frigates as we specialize in guerrilla tactics. The cost was derived from the volume, however, not officer mods and other expensive purchases. Our first war netted us minimal profit (from T2 loot), but then again, it isn't about the money. Originally by: Frenden Dax My heart hopes that people aren't that stupid, but my experiences thus far suggest otherwise.
Mya ElleTerego The Hull Miners Union	Posted - 2008.12.19 19:36:00 - [17] hmm some great ideas so far, and to the poster claiming kublai is bad pvper yatta yatta, i hate bob, russians are the best /flame crap. All big alliances wind up with a at least 10-20 % of thier playerbase as noob / carebear alts. Your not going to get the hardest baddest mofo to fuel your posses.. That being said im fairly certain kublai just listed those alliances that tend to have a rather large to obscenely large industrial core. CEO For the Hull Miners Union [ONION] The Hull Miners Union [ONION]
Shieko Chan	Posted - 2008.12.19 20:50:00 - [18] Quote: "DOCK UP GUYS! DOCK UP!", "QUICK, LET'S CORP JUMP BEFORE THE WAR DEC HITS!", "Let's get together and pewpew" and finally "Pft, this isn't worth my time throws ISK at you". This is an interesting attitude but after having been in a number of corps/alliances and through many wardecs in high sec I have a somewhat different perspective. Fewer people actually corp. jump during a wardec then you might think. Most of the people, who leave a corp. before or during a war, leave because they don't agree with the way the war is being handled. Many corps try to analyze what the deccers actually want. Most of the time if the attackers are just after fun and mayhem the decced merely determine to stay docked until the deccers get bored and go away. If the deccers appear to be after money (ransom) sometimes they stay docked and other times, if they become organized and have the talent, they will engage and try to make the wardec more costly for the deccers. If you stay together and have a load of patience you may make this work for your advantage.. though be careful, if you've dec a larger group. There are many strategies for catching you off guard after you are long bored with apparent cowering of your prey. If the wardec appears to be for cause, some insult or a perceived wrong, many corps will try to come up with a remedy that will pacify the deccers; this maybe your best scenario to make money. But note your grievance has to make sense; "we are avenging the destruction of veldspar in high sec", doesn't work. Note: this is an alt to avoid notoriety for my alliance. I'm not excited by the prospect of having some nut case dec us yet again.
Jared D'Uroth	Posted - 2008.12.19 21:09:00 - [19] Usually you can gank/ransom 1 - 2 good ships(see: Hulk, CNR) before they all turtle into a station whenever one of you comes online.
Carebear Trader Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.12.20 00:46:00 - [20] To the OP : Indeed making a career from wardeccing empire carebear corps can pay off if done properly. Just ask Nexa Necis. For the past couple of years he's been deccing these corps on a regular and pursuing the war till they payed up hefty ransons. Indeed the isk rewards must be considerable. Over at eve pirate website he commented that hes able to pay for about all his half-dozen accounts with isk. Persevere, and you too can become a bloated parasite feeding on the tears of indy/mining/missioning nooblets!
Thervey	Posted - 2008.12.20 05:10:00 - [21] Originally by: Chomin H'ak but then again, it isn't about the money. So your corp decs empire carebears for the challenge then?
adamantinesteel	Posted - 2008.12.22 15:27:00 - [22] lol mya, Looks like we might be going the same route with our plans. :)
Mya ElleTerego The Hull Miners Union	Posted - 2008.12.22 15:58:00 - [23] yarr :) CEO For the Hull Miners Union [ONION] The Hull Miners Union [ONION]
Le Poupon Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.12.22 17:26:00 - [24] Originally by: adamantinesteel lol mya, Looks like we might be going the same route with our plans. :) Who is we? you have no body to go with hahahahahah..oh Sorry Bye -------sig------------------------------------ Thing is I'm not acctualy an Alt Post like a butterfly Sting like a bee
Mya ElleTerego The Hull Miners Union	Posted - 2008.12.22 17:53:00 - [25] Hes welcome to join us, cmon adam CEO For the Hull Miners Union [ONION] The Hull Miners Union [ONION]
Chomin H'ak Integrated Takeovers	Posted - 2008.12.22 18:27:00 - [26] Originally by: Thervey Originally by: Chomin H'ak but then again, it isn't about the money. So your corp decs empire carebears for the challenge then? (Sarcasm detector going crazy, but I'll respond in any case) Kinda... We're focusing on dec'ing 30-50 man corps currently. I won't get into the why, exactly, suffice to say isk is not our end goal; it merely comes with it. Originally by: Frenden Dax My heart hopes that people aren't that stupid, but my experiences thus far suggest otherwise.
Le Poupon Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.12.22 18:37:00 - [27] Originally by: Mya ElleTerego Hes welcome to join us, cmon adam No i ment the picture its just a head..its not got a body as in no body not nobody. You know like why didn't the skeleton go to the party? Oh never mind -------sig------------------------------------ Thing is I'm not acctualy an Alt Post like a butterfly Sting like a bee
Cyprus Black Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.12.22 18:48:00 - [28] So what's to stop a carebear corp from just disbanding and reforming a new corp? ______________ Some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.
Chomin H'ak Integrated Takeovers	Posted - 2008.12.22 19:08:00 - [29] Originally by: Cyprus Black So what's to stop a carebear corp from just disbanding and reforming a new corp? The griefer who is intelligent enough to follow the members and dec the new corp. Originally by: Frenden Dax My heart hopes that people aren't that stupid, but my experiences thus far suggest otherwise.
BruisedMoon Amarr Power Seed Enterprises A.X.I.S	Posted - 2008.12.22 19:47:00 - [30] Lmao, yeah wardec Kolibi! He sucks at pvp you guys could own him! Though as much as it pains me to say it.. his dudes are top notch and he is a good pvper. Mess with him at your own risk. Wardecing carebear corps is about 3 things The Lawlz The Carebear tear tea and lastly the money. If you do it pure for profit, you will be sadly disapointed. Do it cause you think it will be fun, and then profit off your enjoyment!

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