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Virgo I'Platonicus Zoners	Posted - 2008.12.19 15:12:00 - [1] Hi. Here I have created a thread where I posted my ideas (i tried to be creative) on how to improve / redesign the current black ops ships as they are currently vastly underused compared to how much (i think) they would be used if they had been just a bit looked into and tweaked. The thread contains both black ops as they currently are and describes their role through my experienece in active combat and right beneath it are 2-4 possible solutions that i have come up with. It would be really nice if someone could take a look at it and give me some support on this in CSM ( and in that thread) if it looks good enough and if the ideas sound sound to you. Sincerely, virgo <3
Maximum KILLDEATHRATIO Minmatar 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.12.20 08:00:00 - [2] Nutshell version? -perceived problem -goal -general idea ___________________ Yes I'm bitter. (the taste you can see!)
Virgo I'Platonicus Zoners	Posted - 2008.12.20 22:08:00 - [3] Right. -perceived problem Even though the Black ops class looks on paper to be a type of ship that any fighter pilot would want to at least sit in, they are in fact currently underused due to (in my opinion) general lack in speciality in any area. -goal Change the ships' bonuses to better suit EVE mechanics. -general idea To gather ideas and support from player community for a possible change of this class to something that would better fit the BS sized niche of recons / EAFs. <3
Phoenix492 Amarr M. Corp Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.01.18 13:07:00 - [4] Edited by: Phoenix492 on 18/01/2009 13:10:13 There is nothing wrong with Black Ops, Recons or anything else. Its taken me a while to realise this, but its true. The only thing that is wrong is the covert cyno. Let the Covert Cyno be opened in a Cyno Jammed System, and Bingo. All problems solved. All Black ops would have a purpose, and alot more people would fly them. Means people sat cosy in their Supercaps "Safely" behind their front lines would get a rude awakening as their cyno jammers get popped by a recon gang, and a cap fleet jumps in. Would make me restart training for Black Ops BS instead of just training all Racial Recons. Edit : Allow Black ops BS to use Covert ops Cloaks too. Whats the point in using a covert ops ship that can't use the cov ops cloak? (Unless they have already changed that..haven't checked in a while) Blah.
Alexander Knott Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.20 21:09:00 - [5] Cyno jammer...popped...by a recon gang? Have you ever attacked a competently fitted cyno jammer POS?
Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre Worlds End Consortium	Posted - 2009.01.21 20:20:00 - [6] where there's a will there's a way : O ) No one ever got anywhere by saying they can't. =============== CEO of Clan Shadow Cadre www.shadowcadre.com ===============
Rajere No Trademark Notoriety Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.25 22:53:00 - [7] Yeah, no. Here is a reasonable list of improvements to the ship class
Strike Valheru Caldari Divine Retribution Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2009.01.26 21:09:00 - [8] Yeah, you guys need to keep up to date on stuff. Next pach black ops can open covert cyno in jammed systems. Recon gang can take out cyno jammer (remote rep black ops). One of the best points of covert cyno is the covert transport ship, run through sieged systems to re-stront your towers or even to re-towerspam the system. There are many uses for black-ops now the only problem that I have is their cost. I think that is the biggest hindrance of those ships. People dont want to loose them because they cost so much. If they dropped in price I think we would see them alot more.
Laechyd Eldgorn Caldari Endemic Aggression Exalted.	Posted - 2009.01.31 12:55:00 - [9] Problem with blackops is that they're way too overpriced to be used in pvp. They lack scan resolution to tackle anything, they're BS size and now even more slower than they were. If they were to be used in pvp they should be made useful for that instead of being funny big alliance boy toys. Being able to jump into cynojammed system is only useful for very limited number of blackops pilots, mostly for funny NC/Goon/GBC etc. lolguys. Say hi for blobs. Whole jump drive in blackops is only needed for going around megacamps, blackops is still a cloaking bs able to go through gates. the problem is that fuel takes whole cargo space, making it so that you can't really fit any fuel on board, tbh. Oh, and jump portal.... if you get someone to make a covert cyno for you it means the path is totally possible to make through with covops/recon so why any need for cynoing in more if they just can fly? I cry when I see threads like this.
Katherine Cole	Posted - 2009.02.04 14:24:00 - [10] Too much, two simple things are needed: - allow covert cynos in cynojammed systems - give BO a separate fuelbay (or a much bigger cargo bay or reduce cost for jumping/bridging - comes all to the same) and that is all the fixes needed for the ships to do their intended job, but those fixes *are* needed, they were suggested in this way by the CSM and also acknowledged by the Devs in Zulupark's Q&A thread yet I have the feeling that they are forgetting about it once again and these long overdue fixes wont be included in the March 10th expansion which is something the CSM should address imho.

Cpt Constantinus Celestial Janissaries	Posted - 2009.02.12 13:53:00 - [11] Originally by: Katherine Cole Too much, two simple things are needed: - allow covert cynos in cynojammed systems - give BO a separate fuelbay (or a much bigger cargo bay or reduce cost for jumping/bridging - comes all to the same) and that is all the fixes needed for the ships to do their intended job, but those fixes *are* needed, they were suggested in this way by the CSM and also acknowledged by the Devs in Zulupark's Q&A thread yet I have the feeling that they are forgetting about it once again and these long overdue fixes wont be included in the March 10th expansion which is something the CSM should address imho. Thats not enough. Blackops are still battleship hulls and need at least a higher sensor ressolution ( or some way to negate the cloak's ressolution penalty ) to be usefull in combat. For a pure logistics plathform an industrial hull with no weapons would have been enough.
Aurora 0minae	Posted - 2009.02.22 03:20:00 - [12] ok first off covert cyno's in cynojammed sistems is a good ideea, but only black ops should be allowed to jump/bridge to it there.no point in having a cynojammed if it can be bypassed just by using a dedicated recon ship, that would make it useless.dedicated fuel bays is an epic ideea, its also necessary.now...about making other ships be able to be bridged, not only covops and recons...they could add a rig that would allow that.it wont be a major setup wrecker,it should cost relatively much, so it balances out.also, if im not mistaken, u can bridge blockade runners..if u want to run a succesful black ops mission, at least with the current mechanics, fill some BR's with fuel, and take them with uz. secondly, the cov ops cloak is too much, recons and cov op frigates are very specialized, they give up dps and utility in order to fit the covops cloak, u simply can't have it all. lastly, in regards to DPS and Survivability..Black ops aren't designed for all out pvp..they give away dps/locking time/bit of hit points in order to fill their specific role.is that role to niche?it sure is.should it be expanded?definately.but in regards of firepower, they should be less equipped than their t1 counterparts. to summarize: big bad fuel bay , ability to jjump and bridge to covert cynos in cynojammed sistems, and a expensive rig that would allow all non capital ships to be bridged.it would be rather cost prohibitive,due to fuel costs, but it would be possible,and it would a rather interesting mechanic.love stealth.
Seran Kela	Posted - 2009.02.22 07:39:00 - [13] Increased fuel bay no longer necessary once T2 Transports were allowed to use the covert jump portal.
Absolute Phoenix	Posted - 2009.02.24 14:36:00 - [14] Originally by: Strike Valheru . Next pach black ops can open covert cyno in jammed systems. Where is this written? Does anyone know?


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