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Posted - 2008.12.21 01:03:00 -
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Edited by: RedSplat on 21/12/2008 01:05:13
Evening CAOD
There is something bothering me. Scroll to the bottom for my question in red text if you have a short attention. I promise its not complicated, i even highlighted certain bits so even Goons don't miss the key points; you boys have fallen far from the tree haven't you (please don't derail the thread  ).
(more)Boring stuff starts here.
Large 0.0 alliances fight large 0.0 alliances. Smaller forces nap them, attack them and are swiftly crushed or get given a shiny new collar of their very own along with a patch of crappy space, in return they are meatshields making it less likely that the core of an empire can ever be significantly threatened.
When large entity's clash the losses, on paper so to speak, seem considerable. But powerful alliances have resources so vast (in practice essentially unlimited?) Take BoB for example- do they even have enough pilots that they could field even a fraction of their wealth in a campaign?) that they can afford to replace entire capfleets many times over and it is not uncommon for there to be spares hanging around for just that eventuality. So it is exceedingly unlikely that one powerful alliance can inflict decisive damage on another or similar or comparable power bloc.
The presence of outposts, Sov. 4 systems, the current linking of POS to Sov. and Cyno networks/Titan Bridges give a serious advantage to the defenders in any conflict while making it easier for groups to claim larger areas of space; sometimes of no benefit besides the having, or as buffer regions or sometimes productive areas that represent a considerable economic boon.
My question is
How are current game features and the political landscape of 0.0 conductive to anything but stagnation?
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Posted - 2008.12.21 13:27:00 -
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Edited by: RedSplat on 21/12/2008 13:28:21
 Originally by: Enjia Fullblood
study the sov map, and you will see that you have no idea what you are talking about, space changes hands all the time. alliances come and go. and if a large alliance can't be taken out, soon the leaders get bored, got off to another game and the alliances dissolve, or they get caught cheating and get banned. =P
I have studied the sov map. I have also looked at older third party maps of sov and from what i can see while the outline of a given alliances territory changes shape or rather the borders move back and forth, there is no significant deviation from the situation described in the OP post and the primary power blocs are essentially fixed entitys.
Out of (further) interest how much of an uproar would a complete re-set of Sov and the destruction of every POS and outpost in Lowsec/null/high(?) cause? I am personaly against a complete server reset and think a second server would be a mistake....but does 0.0 need to be broken up by an arbitrary and unbiased hand; like CCP? and please no Band of Devs jokes ..
Would this be best done by changing the locations of Dispro moons? Having Jove forces invade and simply kick the hell out of certain systems; arent we due a in game event like that?
Do those that live in 0.0 and have been around since beta prefer the current circumstances or would they like a return to the earlier days of Eve where everything is still up for grabs and there arent any (or more likely not AS many) napfests?
All issues i would be interested to hear the opinions of highups from the larger allainces on, then again i want lots of things i cant have
edited for spelling
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Posted - 2008.12.21 19:17:00 -
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Originally by: Veldya
Not sure about stagnation, all the major powers have been involved in significant wars recently.
So which Major Powers have been involved in wars recently that have had a clear loser; and by that i mean one whom has suffered serious damage that they cant repair ovenight?
Is your definition of significant in this context simply taking into account ship losses etc... and not how much of a blow to a given power bloc said losses were in reality?
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Posted - 2008.12.21 22:13:00 -
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Edited by: RedSplat on 21/12/2008 22:14:00
Originally by: Janu Hull
Red Alliance splintered into a myriad of lesser alliances, eliminating what was arguably a the second most massive player in the Goon/BoB war.
Triumvirate v1.0 had Deklein for a while before its first failure cascade.
Roadkill/SMASH was flattened by Goonswarm.
The map is still in motion, you have a few really massive superpowers that aren't going anywhere, shy of internal strife, but that doesn't imply the game is over by a long shot.
So, AAA, Goons and BoB smashing alliances that were smaller than they are (they were smaller werent they?).
When one of those three bite the dust i'll certainly take notice, untill then as you say the largest powers arent going anywhere at the moment- to me when the situation is static in tha tmanner and there is no sign of such changing that says to me that the game is over.
Is it even possible for BoB to wipe out the Goons anymore? Or Goons vs AAA or any combination of such?
Does alliance income outstrip what can be considered to be reasonable or even unreasonable losses by such a degree of magnitude that ship loss essentially means nothing for them...
If so any war between the biggest powerbloc's seems destined to be a slogging match between two people with god mode on and nothing will ever change until CCP /sv_cheats 0
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Posted - 2008.12.22 13:13:00 -
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Originally by: Veldya
NC was primarily formed of MM, Razor, IRON, Pure and Hydra. In the conflict with BoB Pure and Hydra bit the dust and IRON collapsed. Territory in Deklein, Pure Blind, Fade, Vale and Geminate were lost.
Perhaps you need to define what you consider to be serious damage because 3 out of 5 alliances and 5 regions seems pretty significant in my books.
Ah, interesting. Picking up past history from CAOD is...problematic at best. Thanks 
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