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DeBingJos
Weirdo Asylum
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Posted - 2012.04.13 11:36:00 -
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Ciar Meara wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Aggressive Nutmeg wrote:It's about time the psychologists turned up here. Wait what? I bump into them analysing everyone in just about every second thread. They're right up there with the vast profusion of lawyers, law enforcement officers, statisticians and software developers that inhabit these forums from their armchairs. Your forgot the armchair generals.
Armchair general reporting in. Fix FW ! |

Corvus Amicus
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.04.13 11:49:00 -
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Thanks to everyone who has participated so far!
I'll be trying to answer most of your questions as well as I can.
#1 - We will be publishing the results! (if not the thesis in it's entirety, then at least a 1-2 page summary for you guys!)
#2 - I have not been in contact with anyone else from my uni doing similar research but I'll be sure to try to contact her/them now I know they're out there.
#3 - Concerning the role-playing and thoughts about the character "just being you": The point we are trying to get across in not necessarily to 'role-play' the scenario but to assess how you AS your character would handle it. Even a player devoid of role-playing can handle situations differently online if he/she so chooses because of factors like anonymity, reputation, etc. If you feel you are exactly the same, that's totally legit and you should answer accordingly. If you are unsure as how to answer, just go with your gut!
#4 - Concerning the questions being to specific: This list is standardized which gives the survey reliability that would not be found if we just asked questions that we 'felt were relevant'.
#5 - Meds have already been distributed and are, in fact, the reason you do not see the inkblots. Enjoy.
-Corvus, one half of the research team. |

Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
455
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Posted - 2012.04.13 13:13:00 -
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Done and dusted, looking forward to seeing the results. o/ The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |

Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
1525
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Posted - 2012.04.13 16:21:00 -
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Gilbaron wrote:i just made it through to part 2, questions about my ingame character
i neither roleplay something different than myself nor identify myself with the ingame character at all, i much more enjoy socialising with the guys (no girls in eve :( ) behind the character
so i answered all questions with 3, he/she wouldnt do anything at all, its simply me (with much less hair)
Yeah, pretty much. I'm not sure what to do with that section because there's really no "character Liang". It's like asking what my monopoly shoe would do if there was an art museum in the game. I guess it'd buy it and roll for the next square... charge rent to anyone that came through later.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Urgg Boolean
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.04.13 16:30:00 -
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IRL I am a psych nurse. This level of demograpahics in the questionaire seem more sociological than psychological. Certainly, they are not going to be able to determine who will go postal IRL based upon game behavior from these questions.
IMHO, they should have asked questions about our living situations, both in-game and IRL. I have noticed some severe pyschological disturbances among the 0.0 roaming gang population. It's the kind of thing that makes me think the humans behind the toons are seriously dysfunctional sociopaths. Conversely, I have never seen this level of inferred dysfuntion in Hi Sec or even lo sec. Good honest PvP in lo sec, with all participants usually saying "gf" once there is a victor. It's good fun.
Personally, I think researching any inferred sociopathic dysfunction would have been a much more interesting study, than this touchy-feely "I cry when I see others crying" or "I'm afraid of my shadow" type questions.
Also, they have a lot questions that compare risk taking IRL versus in-game. I think what theya re really looking for is how much separation we have between real life consequences for risk and the fake consequences in-game. That seems like a valid line of inquiry.
Overall and interestign study. |

Alrione
Black Lagoon Inc.
158
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Posted - 2012.04.13 16:37:00 -
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Done, there aren't a lot of difference between the answers though.  |

Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
1525
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Posted - 2012.04.13 16:42:00 -
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The questions relating to your "in game" persona assume that the person has constructed a second "persona" to play online. This is about as valid as asserting someone constructs a second persona when they play Monopoly with their kids or Counter Strike at the LAN party. Whee, I'm afraid of "physical danger" online and my counter terrorist is going to put up his M4 to admire the beautiful paintings on the wall in the CS match... 
Furthermore, lots of the questions are extremely ambiguous in terms of the game but quite clear cut in real life. These questions should be modified to make sense in the game world. There are no art museums in Eve and AFAIK there's no equivalent. Another example is counterfeit money: I'd never use it IRL and there's no such thing in Eve. If it's simply referring to ill-gotten gains.. well hell yes I'd use it - just like I would charge rent if someone landed on my Boardwalk in Monopoly. Or were you referring to botting? Because that's a totally different thing - and we're suddenly back into the realm of "morally wrong" and "against the law".
And then there's the "physical danger" questions... online... 
Basically: your questions do not make sense, and should be modified to have meaning in the game world. I would be happy to take the survey again if you do that.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Urgg Boolean
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.04.13 17:58:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote: ...snip...There are no art museums in Eve and AFAIK there's no equivalent. Another example is counterfeit money: I'd never use it IRL and there's no such thing in Eve. If it's simply referring to ill-gotten gains.. well hell yes I'd use it ...snip- Liang I interpreted this stuff very similarly.
An art museum = spending in-game time just looking at the pretty graphics.
10 billion illegal ISK without the ban hammer? Hell yeah !!! But in real life, you'd be screwing somebody over, Bernie Madoff style.
I think they could easily fake themselves out with the personality/role play questions. As part of an assignment for a creative writing class, I took personality traits from 4 different real life people and blended them into a character for a novel. So it is certainly possible that kind of thing was done and there is no real correlation between the player's personality and in-game behavior. And statistical certainty for this kind of thing is notoriously shaky, unlike cardiac arrest, which has robust correlation leading to realistic assumptions of causation.
It feels like a student study. If it was me, I would have done a qualitative study to determine focus/goals. Then build a questionaire as part of a resulting quantitative study. But, I'll bet they got a college funded grant to play EvE for free during the duration of the study !!! Rock on !!! |

Zleon Leigh
115
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Posted - 2012.04.13 18:39:00 -
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At least the survey runs a helluva lot faster than CCP's marketing surveys.... 
And the questions about Art Museums had nothing to do with same. sheesh. Meta people! Meta! Incarna - Newest business example of mismanaged capital.
CCP - Continuing to gank independent PI producers every day |

Himnos Altar
Angry Hobos Interstellar Hobos
11
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Posted - 2012.04.14 05:14:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:Done. Given the way you've split it up I think it's going to make for some interesting analysis at the end. (Providing you trust this community to remain reasonably honest which ... you know  ) Will you mind publishing results or a brief overview when everything is completed for those of us curious about this? Aggressive Nutmeg wrote:It's about time the psychologists turned up here. Wait what? I bump into them analysing everyone in just about every second thread. They're right up there with the vast profusion of lawyers, law enforcement officers, statisticians and software developers that inhabit these forums from their armchairs.
not to mention the politicians. I'm a prezeedent. |

Llyandrian
Livestock Science Exchange
46
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Posted - 2012.04.14 13:18:00 -
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This is a Briggs Myers test, I might be interesting to see what different personality types select as character personality type, if there is any correlation. |

Urgg Boolean
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
13
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Posted - 2012.04.14 14:52:00 -
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Llyandrian wrote: This is a Briggs Myers test, I might be interesting to see what different personality types select as character personality type, if there is any correlation.
I think they missed the boat. They could be researching the connection between personality traits and/or latent/repressed desires to how/why we made our avatars the way we did. That would be a much more entertaining study. |

Corvus Amicus
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.04.14 16:20:00 -
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Hello again!
I see there are some more question and thoughts popping up and I'll try to adress those as best I can.
#1 - Liang Nuren:
Quote:I'm not sure what to do with that section because there's really no "character Liang". I know exactly what you mean. However, this does not affect or harm our research.
Your monopoly shoe has not had the chance to communicate, make friends and explore a new world (unless you play monopoly by more complex rules than I do). This expression through your character (regardsless of if this character is "just you") is what we're after (among other things). The same could be said about CS (it lacks the depth and repercussions of EVE).
Quote:...assume that the person has constructed a second "persona" to play online. In this case we do not have to make such assumptions, the only assumptions we make are ones about how people communicate and behave through the avatar, not on it's behalf.
Concerning some of the questions not being applicable in-game: This is understandable. However, if an art gallery would open, would you go? If there was such a thing as counterfeit ISK, would you use it? It's more general probing than precise scenarios.
#2 - Urgg Boolean:
Quote:Personally, I think researching any inferred sociopathic dysfunction would have been a much more interesting study I see you are very interested about what kind of research can be done into sociopathy in online games! However interesting that subject is, it's not one of our goals in this research. Hopefully we will be able to do delve deeper into EVE and maybe one day we'll arrive at antisocial behavior. For now, this will have to do. :)
#3 - Llyandrian:
Quote:This is a Briggs Myers test This is not a Briggs Myers test.
Thanks for the input and responses everyone!
-Corvus
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Alain Kinsella
100
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Posted - 2012.04.14 19:12:00 -
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I've been to an event in-game that did have a musical component (did not know at the time that it would happen), was actually quite fun. Stuff like this usually surfaces in the IGS subforum though, which may explain why its not widely known.
Interesting survey to say the least. I may have come here from Myst Online, but that does not make me any less bloodthirsty than the average Eve player.
Just more subtle.
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Antihrist Pripravnik
4
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Posted - 2012.04.15 22:44:00 -
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Done.
Good luck with your research. CCP Ytterbium: Yarrblblbgrlblbgrlblblblbblbgrlblblbgrblblyarrrrdrooooooolonthekeyboardlikealunatic     |

Khergit Deserters
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
24
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Posted - 2012.04.16 17:40:00 -
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Urgg Boolean wrote: I have noticed some severe pyschological disturbances among the 0.0 roaming gang population. It's the kind of thing that makes me think the humans behind the toons are seriously dysfunctional closet sociopaths. ^ I'd thought that I was entirely alone in thinking something similar. Here's hoping some of that really is just online fun... and not the way these guys really think in RL. |

Inago Yaki
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2012.04.16 18:40:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Gilbaron wrote:i just made it through to part 2, questions about my ingame character
i neither roleplay something different than myself nor identify myself with the ingame character at all, i much more enjoy socialising with the guys (no girls in eve :( ) behind the character
so i answered all questions with 3, he/she wouldnt do anything at all, its simply me (with much less hair) Yeah, pretty much. I'm not sure what to do with that section because there's really no "character Liang". It's like asking what my monopoly shoe would do if there was an art museum in the game. I guess it'd buy it and roll for the next square... charge rent to anyone that came through later. -Liang Everbody who got hung up on the art gallery question for their toon should just click "1 - Strongly Disagree." You are not an imagination/artsy type in-game or out-of-game. |

Lenore Leelu
Obsidian Dynamics
10
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Posted - 2012.04.16 23:32:00 -
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I think I do answer differently to my puppet master... but not much...
(but now I want art galleries and classical music (in Stations!)) |

Ch3244
Azule Dragoons Sspectre
77
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Posted - 2012.04.17 04:43:00 -
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Do we get ingame drugs or the real ones? |

Norxil
Best Path Inc. Ethereal Dawn
0
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Posted - 2012.04.17 10:18:00 -
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The test asks about the RL stuff like age and gender but does not ask it about the ingame char. There could be a big difference between high-sec, low-sec and/or 0.0 type of characters. I would like to see the paper online when it is finished though :) |

Louis deGuerre
The Dark Tribe Against ALL Authorities
274
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Posted - 2012.04.17 12:00:00 -
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Halfway through, I clicked next button and the questionaire reset and and went back to question 1 FIRE FRIENDSHIP TORPEDOES ! Louis's epic skill guide v1.1 |

Zleon Leigh
115
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Posted - 2012.04.17 21:48:00 -
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Louis deGuerre wrote:Halfway through, I clicked next button and the questionaire reset and and went back to question 1
Wow - even the test didn't believe you. 

Incarna - Newest business example of mismanaged capital.
CCP - Continuing to gank independent PI producers every day |

Large Collidable Object
morons.
1281
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Posted - 2012.04.18 11:45:00 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote:Urgg Boolean wrote: I have noticed some severe pyschological disturbances among the 0.0 roaming gang population. It's the kind of thing that makes me think the humans behind the toons are seriously dysfunctional closet sociopaths. ^ I'd thought that I was entirely alone in thinking something similar. Here's hoping some of that really is just online fun... and not the way these guys really think in RL.
I don't think most of them are rl psychopaths - take goons as an example:
A real goon (so not a WIgoon or something like that) comes into this game and is a goon from day one - he gets told "Here you go - you're a goon and this is what we do: Be as much of a psychopathic asshat and pain in the arse for everyone else as you can possibly imagine".
I'm convinced that whilst appearing as completely dysfunctional twats ingame, most of them are perfectly normal nerds who are just roleplaying douchebags - just look at Mittens' fanfest presentation.
I think that playstyle may be quite entertaining and help stress relief after a hard days work.
Concerning the survey itself: Just completed it some questions really were a bit odd and the question as to 'what my character would do' is really a bit awkward. My characters are just files containing information about skills, standings etc... - just like ships containing modules. To answer the questions, I had to rephrase them to "what would you do/how would people perceive you ingame" as opposed to the previous rl questions. You know... morons. |

Khergit Deserters
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2012.04.18 14:16:00 -
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Large Collidable Object wrote:Khergit Deserters wrote:Urgg Boolean wrote: I have noticed some severe pyschological disturbances among the 0.0 roaming gang population. It's the kind of thing that makes me think the humans behind the toons are seriously dysfunctional closet sociopaths. ^ I'd thought that I was entirely alone in thinking something similar. Here's hoping some of that really is just online fun... and not the way these guys really think in RL. I don't think most of them are rl psychopaths - take goons as an example: A real goon (so not a WIgoon or something like that) comes into this game and is a goon from day one - he gets told "Here you go - you're a goon and this is what we do: Be as much of a psychopathic asshat and pain in the arse for everyone else as you can possibly imagine". I'm convinced that whilst appearing as completely dysfunctional twats ingame, most of them are perfectly normal nerds who are just roleplaying douchebags - just look at Mittens' fanfest presentation. I think that playstyle may be quite entertaining and help stress relief after a hard days work. Concerning the survey itself: Just completed it some questions really were a bit odd and the question as to 'what my character would do' is really a bit awkward. My characters are just files containing information about skills, standings etc... - just like ships containing modules. To answer the questions, I had to rephrase them to "what would you do/how would people perceive you ingame" as opposed to the previous rl questions. I can see your point. That's a good example of separating RL and ingame life. It's kind of RP, really. Goons do it with style, too (videos, posters, blogs, etc.) On the other hand, I'm not so sure that everybody being sociopath in this game is separating RL from ingame life. Dominate somebody, humiliate him, collect tears, enjoy lulz. (And at the same time be a little anxious that the same might happen to you). It's a psychology with some people, not ingame RPing. |

Large Collidable Object
morons.
1303
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Posted - 2012.04.18 21:10:00 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote: I can see your point. That's a good example of separating RL and ingame life. It's kind of RP, really. Goons do it with style, too (videos, posters, blogs, etc.) On the other hand, I'm not so sure that everybody being sociopath in this game is separating RL from ingame life. Dominate somebody, humiliate him, collect tears, enjoy lulz. (And at the same time be a little anxious that the same might happen to you). It's a psychology with some people, not ingame RPing.
There may be some RL sociopaths playing and a game like eve certainly attracts this type, but from my experience most of the people appearing the most sociopathic are failures in RL compensating for the humiliations they suffer every minute not logged in. Would they kill random people in the street? No - they pack your shopping bag at wallmart if they have a job at all, go home and log on.
Eve is often called the smart persons MMO and most of the people I know for longer have a job, a degree of some kind and live a good life whilst they gank, scam and rob corps.
But of course it has a huge portion of chavs and white trash who "should of started" doing "gankz for teh lulz" way earlier, but these people usually come and go because they eventually find out that they just fail as much in Eve as they do in RL.
Eve-self esteem replaced their RL self esteem and I'm not sure if the questions asked in this survey weren't too obvious - but then again, I'm not a sociologist.
Anyway - I'm interested in the results nonetheless. You know... morons. |

Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
326
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Posted - 2012.04.19 02:01:00 -
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I think half of EVE is convinced I'm sociopath. heh. |

Khergit Deserters
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2012.04.20 13:30:00 -
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Large Collidable Object wrote:Khergit Deserters wrote: I can see your point. That's a good example of separating RL and ingame life. It's kind of RP, really. Goons do it with style, too (videos, posters, blogs, etc.) On the other hand, I'm not so sure that everybody being sociopath in this game is separating RL from ingame life. Dominate somebody, humiliate him, collect tears, enjoy lulz. (And at the same time be a little anxious that the same might happen to you). It's a psychology with some people, not ingame RPing.
There may be some RL sociopaths playing and a game like eve certainly attracts this type, but from my experience most of the people appearing the most sociopathic are failures in RL compensating for the humiliations they suffer every minute not logged in. Would they kill random people in the street? No - they pack your shopping bag at wallmart if they have a job at all, go home and log on. Eve is often called the smart persons MMO and most of the people I know for longer have a job, a degree of some kind and live a good life whilst they gank, scam and rob corps. But of course it has a huge portion of chavs and white trash who "should of started" doing "gankz for teh lulz" way earlier, but these people usually come and go because they eventually find out that they just fail as much in Eve as they do in RL. Eve-self esteem replaced their RL self esteem and I'm not sure if the questions asked in this survey weren't too obvious - but then again, I'm not a sociologist. Anyway - I'm interested in the results nonetheless. +1 Pretty insightful there, I'd say. |

Eternus8lux8lucis
Whack-A-Mole
86
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Posted - 2012.04.20 14:09:00 -
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Large Collidable Object wrote:Khergit Deserters wrote: I can see your point. That's a good example of separating RL and ingame life. It's kind of RP, really. Goons do it with style, too (videos, posters, blogs, etc.) On the other hand, I'm not so sure that everybody being sociopath in this game is separating RL from ingame life. Dominate somebody, humiliate him, collect tears, enjoy lulz. (And at the same time be a little anxious that the same might happen to you). It's a psychology with some people, not ingame RPing.
There may be some RL sociopaths playing and a game like eve certainly attracts this type, but from my experience most of the people appearing the most sociopathic are failures in RL compensating for the humiliations they suffer every minute not logged in. Would they kill random people in the street? No - they pack your shopping bag at wallmart if they have a job at all, go home and log on. Eve is often called the smart persons MMO and most of the people I know for longer have a job, a degree of some kind and live a good life whilst they gank, scam and rob corps. But of course it has a huge portion of chavs and white trash who "should of started" doing "gankz for teh lulz" way earlier, but these people usually come and go because they eventually find out that they just fail as much in Eve as they do in RL. Eve-self esteem replaced their RL self esteem and I'm not sure if the questions asked in this survey weren't too obvious - but then again, I'm not a sociologist. Anyway - I'm interested in the results nonetheless.
The thing there is that a lot of people compensate, even the so called successful types, as often they are the most drive, perfectionists and hard on themselves seeing failure where others do not. So sure they are compensating, often on a subconscious level and are completely unaware of what they are doing yet so are a myriad of others. Stereotyping one group to denigrate them, though amusing, is fail imo. The reality that so many people fail to live up to their or others expectations of themselves throughout all walks of life is a paramount factor in human psychology and behaviors. As well as what they do to compensate for these shortcomings, again be they perceived or "real" and I use that term loosely.
To say that those that fail at Eve are only the lowest common denominator within a bracket of society is again stereotypically foolish. And though it makes for great post and reading for the lolz it again fails at the reality. Many people who you might consider smart or successful in RL will also fail at Eve for many different reasons.
Now coming to replacing self esteem. Self esteem is built through many sources the most common of which is feedback from a peer group. ANY peer group will do. Surrounding yourself with enough people who think or act like you that will also applaud or laud your behavior, thought pattern, words or actions can create self esteem. The larger the peer group the greater the worth, generally, that is felt by an individual. If you arent a bookworm getting straight As in school often you may find acceptance and self worth and self esteem from sports or athletic achievements, or perhaps through music or fine arts. In fact the pursuit of self worth and self esteem is utmost in ones life. This is often why people GAME, and like you have alluded to it amounts to finding a peer group that supports or understands ones beliefs, ideas or ideas, behaviors and thoughts...such as Eve. Yes this is a peer group. And yes there are MANY people who take self worth from what is being done in game, even posting on these forums.
In fact the ONLY question would be the argument of what is or is not worthwhile replacement activities that create self esteem. As that would result in a neverending argument simply due to differing thoughts or ideas amoung people much like which is the best government party to vote for will do. Its based on nothing but opinion.
Just some food for thought. Strength isnt measured in numbers but in force of will. For if one motived willful individual stands many will fall around him that are weak.
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Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
137
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Posted - 2012.04.21 10:26:00 -
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Interesting test and questions. The bit about my character was odd but understandable. I only really apply basic concepts to my character that represent personal ideology more than anything else. My character simply represents something I can respect and not much else. Aside from that it's me, except for that big game hunter/hero bit, but that's just an archetype.  Turn WiS into wIN! ..make all the characters Nude. |

AureoBroker
Natural Inventions Solyaris Chtonium
34
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Posted - 2012.04.21 23:56:00 -
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Who else instantly thought of the "free money as a psychology data gathering"" scam? Glad to see it really happened  |
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