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Memorya Minmatar	Posted - 2008.12.22 10:05:00 - [1] I use typhoon for L4 missions ... my fit is: HI 4x cruise missiles 2x 1200 heavy artilery 2x 650 medium artilery MID 4x Cap Rechargers LOW 2x Large T2 armor repairer 1x damage control 4x armor hardeners OR 5x armor hardeners Rigs: 2x for cap recharging 1x for armor repair ammount Drone: 5x light t2 5x medium T2 10x Medium t1 I can do most of the L4 missions.... but i have problems if all agro me .. i finished every mission, but in some cases i have to warp out ... it takes me too long for some missions .. i can't kill fast enought so i run out of CAP and my tank cannot keep up with all damage i get ... so i thought to try a maelstrom ... with shield tank i can use low slots for some damage mods ... and what i read .. shield tank is better fro missions than armor tank ... anny comments or advice ? Metal lives forever !!
Memorya Minmatar	Posted - 2008.12.22 11:29:00 - [2] Originally by: Felix Dzerzhinsky Edited by: Felix Dzerzhinsky on 22/12/2008 10:14:43 your overtanking. . . hm ... overtanking ... i have problems if all room agro me. yea .. i know... if you kill fast you don't have to tank so much, but i don't think that if i use some damage mods over hardeners i'll survive enought time to kill enought NPCs. i thought about removing cap recharges for something else, but then i need cap booster wich use too much powergrid, so i have to remove 1200mm guns .. well.. i will try a mael for missions .. then i'll see wich is better .. i have just another question about mael ... when i warped in deadspace with my phoon, i mostly just stayed in one position and fire at NPCs because with cruise missiles i can fire at short or long range. With guns on mael i have to be in right range. I see a problem for reaching right distances. Mael is slow and if i use AB i have one sheild hardener less .. how is with range with mael ? ... i is better to use 1200 or 1400 guns ? or maybe short range autocannons ? Metal lives forever !!
Memorya Minmatar	Posted - 2008.12.22 12:56:00 - [3] Originally by: Abrazzar Low: Large Armor Repairer II Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Med: 100MN Afterburner II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II High: 720mm 'Scout' Artillery I,Fusion M 720mm 'Scout' Artillery I,Fusion M 720mm 'Scout' Artillery I,Fusion M 720mm 'Scout' Artillery I,Fusion M 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I,Devastator Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I,Devastator Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I,Devastator Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I,Devastator Cruise Missile Rig: Auxiliary Nano Pump I Capacitor Control Circuit I Auxiliary Nano Pump I Drones: Berserker I,5 Valkyrie II,5 with 1x Large Armor Repairer II and 3x hardeners i doubt that you can tank enought when all room attacks you and instead of 3x balistic control is good to use at leas one gyrostabilizer, so you get bonus for artys too .. well .. i don't know but this setup is not for my taste .. in worlds collide mission in second stage i had very hard time and i had to warp out 2 times with my current setup Metal lives forever !!
Memorya Minmatar	Posted - 2008.12.22 13:04:00 - [4] Edited by: Memorya on 22/12/2008 13:05:33 Edited by: Memorya on 22/12/2008 13:04:51 Originally by: Sokratesz The point is that you don't get 'all room aggro' when you play it right. play it right :) ... yea i know that .. but in worlds collide i warped in and turned my ship away from the NPCs .. first webbing frigs locked on me .. stoped my ship .. with my setup i couldn't kill those frigs so o used drones .. i don't know if because of drones or ... all aggroed me after short time .... i try get far from them and avoid aggro .. but those webb frigs ruins my plan Metal lives forever !!
Memorya Minmatar	Posted - 2008.12.22 13:12:00 - [5] Edited by: Memorya on 22/12/2008 13:12:29 well .. you need at least 6x main weapons, 4 cruise is not enought .. so i use also 2x1200 i could use 3x cruise an 3x 1200 or maybe 1400mm ... but i think 4x cruise an 2x1200mm is a good choice, i keep the range for 1200mm, for cruse range doesn't matter ... i had 2 slots empty so i used tem for 650mm artillery wich are a good choice for smaller ships. i tryed different mix of cruse - guns setup this one works fine for now Metal lives forever !!
Memorya Minmatar	Posted - 2008.12.22 13:21:00 - [6] Edited by: Memorya on 22/12/2008 13:22:31 what's your tactic ? i mean, 1400mm are long range. if you don't have AB most BS get too close and or i'm wrong ? mael is slow, i cen see difficulty to keep in range well i will try a maelstrom .. Metal lives forever !!
Memorya Minmatar	Posted - 2008.12.22 13:48:00 - [7] .. i have to try it before i can give any comment about mael by the way ... wich race have the best mission runner ? Caldari - raven ? Metal lives forever !!
Memorya Minmatar	Posted - 2008.12.22 15:50:00 - [8] how you can know wich ship is a triger ship ? Metal lives forever !!
Memorya Minmatar	Posted - 2008.12.22 23:53:00 - [9] Edited by: Memorya on 22/12/2008 23:54:20 i have another question ... i tryed my setup on EFT .... i have a question i compared my setup with a litle different setup (other rigs).. can someone explain my results. What is sustained and what reinforced deffence? Ship A: sustained: 779 reinforced: 1184 Cap: 2m 44s Without 1 Armor repairer: Cap stable at 56% Ship B: sustained: 859 reinforced: 911 Cap: 7m 49s Without 1 Armor repairer: Cap stable at 70% What is better tank .. Ship A or Ship B ??, and what means cap stable X% Example A: if i turn on only one repairer means i can run indefinetly and if i activate second my cap wil drain after 2m 44s? My current DPS is 256 and voley damage is 941 is this bad good or average ? Metal lives forever !!
Memorya Minmatar	Posted - 2008.12.23 07:54:00 - [10] hm.. so example A: 1x CCC rig 2x nano pump sustained: 779 reinforced: 1184 example B: 3x CCC rig sustained: 859 reinforced: 911 i have two rigs for my repair amount is higher ... but from this calculation is better to have 3x rigs for cap recharge instead of aux. nano pumps ?? for perma run and most cases a sustained 859 is better than from example A ... but in thight situations exampe A is better ... or i'm wrong ? Metal lives forever !!
Memorya Minmatar	Posted - 2008.12.23 08:42:00 - [11] Edited by: Memorya on 23/12/2008 08:43:06 hm... i had problems in lev 3 missions with my short range cyclon so i never tried short range BS ... but that was long time ago with less skills and experience. short range phoon with AB maybe is a good choice .. i'll try it About the might PVE RAVEN ... what makes the Raven god in PVE ?? ...or .. i read that you can do LEV 4 missions AFK in dominix ??? why .. what those two ships have ??? my friend is doing LEV 4 with a drake !! Metal lives forever !!
Memorya Minmatar	Posted - 2008.12.23 13:46:00 - [12] Originally by: Memorya About the might PVE RAVEN ... what makes the Raven god in PVE ?? ...or .. i read that you can do LEV 4 missions AFK in dominix ??? why .. what those two ships have ??? my friend is doing LEV 4 with a drake !! anyone ? ... i'm thinking for crosstrain for caldari or gallente ..just for doiing L4 in a easy and fast way... Metal lives forever !!

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