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MiMena
Kessel Moria Syndicate
Stratagem.
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Posted - 2012.05.14 03:54:00 -
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Carlton Foster wrote:How can someone run a manufacturing corporation in Eve with this bug?
Easy
You and all your industry alts. No one else.
And yes, this can be VERY profitable.
Trust NO one with your ISK.
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veshna wildsun
Darkstar Galactic
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Posted - 2012.06.30 00:43:00 -
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I would love to see roles fixed but working on them is like working on a car that is running. Everyone has their roles and methods set up the way it works for them and then 'poof' along come the changes, and possible bugs, and everything is very different. Something as easy as swapping fuel types for POS's was a potential major disaster, imagine how badly this can go awry, especially with people like Goons actively looking for patches to exploit.
I think it will happen eventually but they are going to have to be as careful as frogs in a dynamite pond. |
Abditus Cularius
Clancularius Industries
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Posted - 2012.06.30 02:51:00 -
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Until some granularity is added to corp roles - any corp that deals with assets or asset manipulation is better off handling those assets with a very few (or singular) centralized people and letting the masses make requests against it.
In the case of industry, this means you're better off running it as a collection of individuals than as a combined corporation. |
Steve Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.30 07:38:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:Scrapyard Bob wrote:There's a CCP post from 1-2 years ago where they talked about the existing corporate roles system. Basically, it's impossible to add roles to the system as it currently functions. So sadly, it is that difficult. At least according to CCP. It's old fragile code.
Bob is speaking the truth, as he usually does. CCP explained that corp roles are based on 16 bits. This does not give a lot of options. Many roles seem to overlap or have odd prerequisites because of this limitation. Eve outgrew the roles system. Certainly we would all like to see something that provides ease and lots of granularity. This isn't terribly difficult to do from scratch, but merging into a legacy system flawlessly is a bit of a chore. Fortunately for CCP there are infinitely scalable solutions already available. How easily CCP could merge that into Eve is something else. They do not have to reinvent the wheel, but they do need to make sure hamsters and wheels can speak with one another.
to clarify
theres EXACTLY 16 roles that the system can allow you to do. not 2^16 Bascialy its a "yes this role can do this -no this role can not do this' type system.
unfortnatly a lot of thoes are tied up with just normal every day single player functions.
they have looked at building a new "Corp" rule setup from the ground up that would be a lot more flexible, modular and allow for later exapansion.
problems? Several.
One is that it would also have to work with simular restricitions caused by the overlying Aliance structure. so they basicaly found they need to go in and rebuild THAT. unfortunatly they have to do so at the same time. as in they know they cant do one or the other, they have to do and roll out both or else things go BOOM
also any transition from old structure to new structure would have to somehow be "Failsafed", you cant have the CFO functions abruptly change to to something even a little bit diferent without causeing problems either in code or with the playerbase.(or worse, both) so do you somehow keep the old code around as a "non editable template" that you can simply reasign or do you force change the roles to the new system? (and god help CS if only 0.1% of the corps have a bug crop up when this happens given the number of corps out there.
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Abditus Cularius
Clancularius Industries
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Posted - 2012.06.30 08:56:00 -
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While the other problems are far more extensive than the 'how to get into the new role system' problem - the how-to transition question is easy. Strip all roles off everyone but CEO's/directors. Done. |
Nikodiemus
Jokulhlaup
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Posted - 2012.06.30 12:41:00 -
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Require collateral valued in excess of the materials you keep in hanger at any time from each person with the role. Problem solved. |
Bath Sheeba
Another Success Story
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Posted - 2012.06.30 13:06:00 -
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Nikodiemus wrote:Require collateral valued in excess of the materials you keep in hanger at any time from each person with the role. Problem solved.
Does the system report (to us) who exactly cancelled a job? |
Abditus Cularius
Clancularius Industries
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Posted - 2012.06.30 13:16:00 -
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Nope. |
Carlton Foster
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.30 13:26:00 -
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Nikodiemus wrote:Require collateral valued in excess of the materials you keep in hanger at any time from each person with the role. Problem solved.
You would have to require the collateral value equal to every job in the entire Corp as anyone can cancel every job. |
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