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Snake Doctor MacroIntel United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2008.12.23 06:47:00 - [1] Edited by: Snake Doctor on 23/12/2008 06:48:56 Just thought of sending out an update, since it's been long since I posted anything of substance to the community... :P A few nights ago, a macrointel task force comprised of members from UCAM, XTC Corp, UNSC and Motsu local regulars inflicted heavy damages on farmer corp kufhkgy Corp. Over the course of the 4-hour battle, between 20-28 farmer ships and pods were destroyed, looted, and salvaged--Most of which were battleships. Led by Mongwen, UCAM's 9 member fleet dismantled the 16 man farmer fleet in this time. All of their members jumped corp and fled to nearby systems. Estimated losses on the enemy side range from 1.7 billion isk to 2.5 billion isk, with UCAM losses numbering in the 700 million - 1.2 billion isk range. At points during the fight, there was dialogue between both sides. KarenH and Alexandery refused to surrender and instead fielded 3 waves of ships for their team, with the first two waves almost completely destroyed. In many cases, only parts of the UCAM fleet were involved in the fighting for extended periods of time, leaving battles of 2 vs 6, 3 vs 7, etc. It's reported that at least one UCAM member flew while intoxicated. More to add soon, I'm sure. They aren't losing as a whole, but KUFKHGY made 0.00 isk that night.
Shogun Archer Gallente Brotherhood of Soban	Posted - 2008.12.23 07:09:00 - [2] Awesome keep fighting the good fight. I am half tempted to donate 100 million isk to your cause.
Mister Xerox	Posted - 2008.12.23 08:01:00 - [3] Duuude.... you went up against a 'farmer' group, and suffered 50-90% identical losses depending on whose killboard you used?? Your efficiency definately needs some serious improving if you loose 1+bn to inflict only the same to your target 'farmers'. Apparently they were hardly the easy chewtoy you imagined them to be, hmmm? That said, good job tracking down, isolating, and ganking the trash out of farmers/macros/whatever. Now if all the other macros would get pushed to Player corps where we could all chase them to the dark corners of their stations.
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2008.12.23 08:06:00 - [4] CAOD --->
Snake Doctor MacroIntel United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2008.12.23 13:37:00 - [5] Originally by: Shogun Archer Awesome keep fighting the good fight. I am half tempted to donate 100 million isk to your cause. Donations are appreciated, but what we really need are people to donate time. As the months go by and CCP does less and less for the players and more for the farmers we lose a lot of people. UCAM is run generally by grants and donations from its members-- While isk is always nice, there seems to be enough to go around. We're really hurting for people :( As far as losing as much as them? I'm not quite sure. We lost a few bs, an eagle, some other ships. Losses are always expected in any battle-- We lost a few CNR, but it pales in comparison to the damages inflicted over time. My point is, just about 90% of our losses can be written off as the money and materials used to build or buy our equipment comes from stolen isk of farmers (in the form of loot, equipment, etc. Many of them fit some REALLY nice modules...) While on paper it looks like we lost a lot (still only half of what they did for half the size of their fleet), we still come up with a decent efficiency rating (1/2 fleet size to 1/4 their losses per hour) AND get to write off most of our losses. UCAM and MI killboards reflect this.
Kherie Kali Amarr Hello KItty Entrepreneurs	Posted - 2008.12.23 13:55:00 - [6] Long time no see Snake! Next time you need an extra pilot and I'm online, let me know. I can't promise I'll help you if you are 15 jumps away but if semi-close I can give you a hand and possibly bring some others --\|\|-- --\|\|-- --\|\|-- --\|\|-- --\|\|-- --\|\|-- --\|\|-- We should take all of the warning labels off of products and let darwinism take over!
Gnomes Rock	Posted - 2008.12.23 14:01:00 - [7] Edited by: Gnomes Rock on 23/12/2008 14:06:01 So.. you're bragging about losing a fight with macros? Edit; nvm, misread the page.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2008.12.23 14:26:00 - [8] Edited by: Le Skunk on 23/12/2008 14:27:20 Originally by: Snake Doctor All of their members jumped corp and fled to nearby systems. Thanks CCP :) We cant have your isk farme subscription subs hurt now can we SKUNK Originally by: CCP Navigator People who think I am joking or talking big are going to understand very quickly that there will be order
Gunnanmon Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.12.23 14:29:00 - [9] Nice work. The Ghost-training vote thread
Brea Lafail	Posted - 2008.12.23 14:38:00 - [10] Originally by: Gnulpie CAOD ---> Moar liek "C&P --->" Amiright?

Janu Hull Caldari Terra Incognita Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.12.23 15:16:00 - [11] Originally by: Mister Xerox Duuude.... you went up against a 'farmer' group, and suffered 50-90% identical losses depending on whose killboard you used?? Your efficiency definately needs some serious improving if you loose 1+bn to inflict only the same to your target 'farmers'. Apparently they were hardly the easy chewtoy you imagined them to be, hmmm? That said, good job tracking down, isolating, and ganking the trash out of farmers/macros/whatever. Now if all the other macros would get pushed to Player corps where we could all chase them to the dark corners of their stations. Don't underestimate farmers and their ships. I've heard similar encounters with their ratting battleships that result in major casualties taking them down. You have to keep in mind the kind of ISK they can generate, and the kind of equipment they'll have on their longer lived battleships. They may lack the sophistication of spider tanks or Ewar, but what they have in terms of tank and DPS when they work in groups is impressive to say the least. If these guys engaged them en masse, I have little trouble believing they had one hell of a fight on their hands. In the event of an emergency, my ego may be used as a floatation device.
Boma Airaken The Divine Comedy Celestial Imperative	Posted - 2008.12.23 15:29:00 - [12] Edited by: Boma Airaken on 23/12/2008 15:29:36 I would offer congratulations, unfortunately Yorlock the toddler is still in your alliance and is still petitioning even the least offensive of tickers. WAY TO WIN!
Marlenus Caldari Ironfleet Towing And Salvage Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2008.12.23 15:31:00 - [13] What is meant by "Farmer corp" in this context? I mean, obviously we're not talking macros, unless the OP and his guys suck, which it doesn't sound like they do, forum e-peen strokers notwithstanding. Do we just mean semi-autistic mission runners who run the same missions over and over? Or is there an implied assertion that these guys are "farming" missions or rats for RMT purposes? And if so, how can you tell the difference between that, and the legit players who like repetitive game play for the sheer cha-ching! enjoyment of it? Ultimately the beauty of EVE is that it doesn't matter; you don't need a reason to fight somebody. But I was having trouble parsing this thread because I didn't understand the specified character motivation. ------------------ Ironfleet.com
Marlenus Caldari Ironfleet Towing And Salvage Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2008.12.23 15:36:00 - [14] Originally by: Boma Airaken I would offer congratulations, unfortunately Yorlock the toddler is still in your alliance Oh, no, are you saying the OP is associated (however remotely) with Yorlock? I know him. Ugh. ------------------ Ironfleet.com
Garia666 Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E White Core	Posted - 2008.12.23 16:02:00 - [15] Edited by: Garia666 on 23/12/2008 16:06:05 CCP does absolutely nothing against ISK farmers, or macro ratters. + dont forget the Macro market sellers! Even if they get 100% proof presented in front of there nose. I should see the day that even 1 of them gets banned. They are the problem of isk selling, and moste likely the solution to it aswell. If CCP starts banning them that is. Its totaly and uterly pathetic and enoying. As more and more people are doing the macro thing.. ANyway weldone kicking some macroers asses.. good cause and respect. www.garia.net
Snake Doctor MacroIntel United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2008.12.23 16:30:00 - [16] A few replies: Yes. It was a hell of a fight. They are getting better at it. for a long time, they would just run away. Then they lacked the spider tank. Then they lacked the ewar. I can tell you that saturday night's fight was just like any other player corp, and it was pretty rough. Yes. Yorlock is one of our members. Some of our members have been known to be a bit overzealous. Yorlock isn't a bad guy or a jerk, he's a true believer. To be honest, he's a pretty sick pilot too. I witnessed him break a domi in half in less than 2 minutes while tanking 3 more bs. Solo. So even if he may get really really really REALLYinto it, he's actually a pretty good guy. --on that note, diplo concerns should be sent to MongWen or me if it becomes some huge thing (one of our members is a complete ass, just smacks WAY too much, etc..). A few times during the fight and days before, they pm'd me and tried to negotiate OUR surrender. They openly admitted to farming.
Captain Pompous	Posted - 2008.12.23 16:38:00 - [17] Edited by: Captain Pompous on 23/12/2008 16:39:28 Originally by: Garia666 Edited by: Garia666 on 23/12/2008 16:06:05 CCP does absolutely nothing against ISK farmers, or macro ratters. + dont forget the Macro market sellers! Even if they get 100% proof presented in front of there nose. I should see the day that even 1 of them gets banned. They are the problem of isk selling, and moste likely the solution to it aswell. If CCP starts banning them that is. Its totaly and uterly pathetic and enoying. As more and more people are doing the macro thing.. ANyway weldone kicking some macroers asses.. good cause and respect. Nor should they do anything against ISK farmers - there is nothing they can do against them, as what they do isn't against the EULA edit: as long as it's not RMT related. but that requires proof that players simply cannot garner
Varrakk Phantom Squad	Posted - 2008.12.23 16:46:00 - [18] In Oguser theres some macro-hauler-missioning going on. Constant stream with haulers coming through the system, all in NPC corps so wardecs wont work.
Farmerpalmer	Posted - 2008.12.23 16:46:00 - [19] Originally by: Captain Pompous Nor should they do anything against ISK farmers - there is nothing they can do against them, as what they do isn't against the EULA edit: as long as it's not RMT related. but that requires proof that players simply cannot garner The problem is that it is rmt related ccp know this and can very likely prove it yet chose not to
Morgan La'Chance Caldari Dynamic Reallocation and Logistics	Posted - 2008.12.23 16:59:00 - [20] Originally by: Marlenus Or is there an implied assertion that these guys are "farming" missions or rats for RMT purposes? And if so, how can you tell the difference between that, and the legit players who like repetitive game play for the sheer cha-ching! enjoyment of it? Because they are chinese and run missions 23/7.

Washell Olivaw	Posted - 2008.12.23 17:03:00 - [21] Edited by: Washell Olivaw on 23/12/2008 17:04:41 Originally by: Farmerpalmer The problem is that it is rmt related ccp know this and can very likely prove it yet chose not to Not banning a farmer/RMT'er because you're not 100% sure just gives some grumbles on this forum. Hitting with the banstick while being 90% sure, with innocents caught in the crossfire, gives a PR nightmare. Besides, keeping an eye on known farmers makes it easier to trace the ISK to the selling/buying characters. Edit: If you're really disgruntled about it, join UCAM. Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
Marlenus Caldari Ironfleet Towing And Salvage Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2008.12.23 17:18:00 - [22] Originally by: Snake Doctor Yorlock isn't a bad guy or a jerk No, he actually is a jerk, as has been documented on my blog and elsewhere. However, I'm glad to hear he serves a useful role in your alliance; from my experience of him, I find that hard to credit, but it's a big universe out there. ------------------ Ironfleet.com
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.12.23 17:20:00 - [23] Originally by: Gnulpie CAOD ---> <--- no there Fetchez la vache !
Marlenus Caldari Ironfleet Towing And Salvage Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2008.12.23 17:25:00 - [24] Originally by: Snake Doctor They openly admitted to farming. I'm still curious what you mean by "farming". Even if they admitted to it, what's the activity in question, and what makes it uniquely pernicious as compared to the activities of other player groups who field battleship fleets and give a good fight? ------------------ Ironfleet.com
Farmerpalmer	Posted - 2008.12.23 17:36:00 - [25] Originally by: Marlenus I'm still curious what you mean by "farming". Even if they admitted to it, what's the activity in question, and what makes it uniquely pernicious as compared to the activities of other player groups who field battleship fleets and give a good fight? 1. multiboxing missions 23/7 2. selling isk from said missions
Marlenus Caldari Ironfleet Towing And Salvage Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2008.12.23 17:49:00 - [26] Originally by: Farmerpalmer 2. selling isk from said missions They admitted selling ISK? I know y'all think CCP does nothing about ISK sellers, but I'd think an in-game admission would still be worth a petition. ------------------ Ironfleet.com
Captain Pompous	Posted - 2008.12.23 18:50:00 - [27] Originally by: Marlenus Originally by: Farmerpalmer 2. selling isk from said missions They admitted selling ISK? I know y'all think CCP does nothing about ISK sellers, but I'd think an in-game admission would still be worth a petition. agreed. without an ingame admission (at the very least), this campaign has nothing to go on. as far as i can tell, you know, all it looks like is a war waged against people who choose unconventional and unpronouncable names, who happen to like running courier missions
Snake Doctor MacroIntel United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2008.12.23 19:56:00 - [28] Originally by: Marlenus Originally by: Snake Doctor Yorlock isn't a bad guy or a jerk No, he actually is a jerk, as has been documented on my blog and elsewhere. However, I'm glad to hear he serves a useful role in your alliance; from my experience of him, I find that hard to credit, but it's a big universe out there. Eh. Sometimes some people just get their panties in a bunch? UCAM's had some managerial changes within the last year. I try to push being a bit more relaxed when dealing with the public. Anyway--- CCP is doing something. They won't tell anyone what it is they're doing or outline any kind of plan for dealing with it, but we always get "we're doing something about it" from them. Evey isk in eve can be traced to where it comes from via accounting logs. It wouldn't be all that hard to just follow the money, BUT it would take a lot of time. I don't think CCP is willing to invest in that time.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. The Firm.	Posted - 2008.12.23 19:57:00 - [29] Originally by: Marlenus Originally by: Farmerpalmer 2. selling isk from said missions They admitted selling ISK? I know y'all think CCP does nothing about ISK sellers, but I'd think an in-game admission would still be worth a petition. Yes, you would think so, wouldn't you.
Treally	Posted - 2008.12.23 22:59:00 - [30] Originally by: Morgan La'Chance Because they are chinese and run missions 23/7. And here I can't get my Chinese girlfriend to even touch the game. Dang I could make loads of ISK if she started playing.



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