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Louis deGuerre
Gallente Public Funded War Targets
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Posted - 2008.12.30 13:04:00 -
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Right, that's it. I'm giving up my day job and will become a fulltime isk sale scammer, pays 5 times my current salary, and it's all legit !
Make Isk Fast ! Send me Euros ! Delivery *cough* guaranteed *cough*.
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Ralle030583
Gallente RIMTECH NOVA GOTISCHES IMPERIUM
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Posted - 2008.12.30 14:26:00 -
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Originally by: Louis deGuerre Right, that's it. I'm giving up my day job and will become a fulltime isk sale scammer, pays 5 times my current salary, and it's all legit !
Make Isk Fast ! Send me Euros ! Delivery *cough* guaranteed *cough*.
reported for ISK selling ;-)
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Lui Kai
Better Than You
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Posted - 2008.12.30 14:40:00 -
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Edited by: Lui Kai on 30/12/2008 14:40:51
Originally by: Malcanis
I have to wonder what the hell he'd have needed more than 400B for...
NPC 0.0 piracy in a set of titans? Putting up a one man outpost in Delve? Cleaning all the CNR out of the market in an attempt at the ultimate market pvp?
The mind boggles.
Edit: This very question is what really piques my curriosity, as the only -real- uses I can think of for such an obscene quantity of isk involve big, serious alliances. So I'd like a name and shame. ----------------
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Garia666
Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E White Core
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Posted - 2008.12.30 15:26:00 -
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if ccp would do something about these macro ratters.. then **** like this would happen as much
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zacuis
Great Big Research
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Posted - 2008.12.30 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: Garia666 if ccp would do something about these macro ratters.. then **** like this would happen as much
lmfao this happens often does it ?!
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Minny Sky
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Posted - 2008.12.30 17:31:00 -
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Edited by: Minny Sky on 30/12/2008 17:30:46 guy has a lot of $, he should sell gtc
insert idiot comment here
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Caiman Graystock
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.12.30 19:39:00 -
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Very happy to see this ISK buyer out of pocket.
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
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Posted - 2008.12.31 00:02:00 -
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Originally by: Wotlankor Technical he takes his VISA and buys electronic credit at PayPal. Now he has bouth something and gotten his credits and PayPal and the Bank has fullfilled their part. He then goes to an ISK seller and buys ISK with electronic credit.
Interesting. Does it make a difference if he pays directly with his credit card via paypal or if he charges the card into his paypal balance and uses that? If it's the former, that means paypal can cancel any chargeback they want. If it's the latter, which I think it is given the wording of your post, it makes sense and nothing's wrong with it.
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Macrame JeanShorts
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Posted - 2008.12.31 17:05:00 -
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The biggest mystery in this is how did he not get the ISK?
A - Did the RMT vendor simply not transfer it to him? If so, he should be able to go after them (assuming they are still around).
OR
B - Did he get the ISK but then lose it because CCP killed the account, wiped out the ISK, etc.? If so, he is screwed because the RMT vendor fulfilled its part of the bargain. The buyer simply got caught breaking the EULA.
Either way, RMT is craptastic, but can anyone nail down this detail?
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2008.12.31 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: Wotlankor Technical he takes his VISA and buys electronic credit at PayPal. Now he has bouth something and gotten his credits and PayPal and the Bank has fullfilled their part. He then goes to an ISK seller and buys ISK with electronic credit.
Interesting. Does it make a difference if he pays directly with his credit card via paypal or if he charges the card into his paypal balance and uses that? If it's the former, that means paypal can cancel any chargeback they want. If it's the latter, which I think it is given the wording of your post, it makes sense and nothing's wrong with it.
I think that's the gist of it.
Nothing wrong occured between VISA and paypal(And his bank).
Judging from the actual case, given that he bought this over the course of 3 months, it MUST be a case of CCP giving him the ban-stick and him trying to get his money back.
The point of this is that as long as your transaction went trough, only paypal has the responsbility of actually making sure that you get your product. In this case, we MUST assume that he did, at least up until a certain point in time.
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TU144 TEPPOPNCT'CMEPTHNK
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.01.01 02:08:00 -
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Buying ISK is like picking up the soap and hoping no one notices.
Yeah much the same as using PayPal!
His grip should have been with PayPal, as they made the final transaction with the scammers Bank. The transaction between VISA and PayPal was legitimate, the one between PayPal and (Scammer) was not. It is PayPals responsibilty to recover moneys from the scammers bank account(if it still exists).
Paypall Can be Sued, they have offices in every country, (even if they make the false claim that they are a foreign banking firm)they all have country specific Ltd company fronts and it is these that you take legal action against.
Details of country specific Company directors are available and they get real funy about being personally sued by ripped off customers. (Go personal and you get results)
Or did he buy SOO much in one go as to cause a Flag on CCP money markets on his account. (like Yeah i want 500bil+isk in one hit please ...)not!...
Remember Kids... Buying a TITAN with CASH(in one go) is a quick way to get Banned for life and raise a laugh across the CCP offices.
(With the loser(Your Name Here) of the week memo goin gout to all staff)
CCP made little baby jesus cry by nerfing ghost training
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
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Posted - 2009.01.01 21:33:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista The point of this is that as long as your transaction went trough, only paypal has the responsbility of actually making sure that you get your product. In this case, we MUST assume that he did, at least up until a certain point in time.
Actually, paypal has a policy of not making chargebacks on virtual goods. Possibly because proof of sale is often impossible to verify but more likely because it avoids a whole slew of problems.
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Freya Runestone
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.01.03 10:24:00 -
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Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Originally by: Maria Kalista Edited by: Maria Kalista on 23/12/2008 11:10:29 13.500 Euro over a period of 3 months
That's just nuckinfuts!
lol... would be sooo cool if someone in EVE bought ISK for that sum of money. ANd the day after seeing the money confiscated by CCP and his/her account banned!
... Wonder if the isk buyer would have tried suing CCP for stealing his/her isk for a value of 13.500 euro...?
You know what would be even better than that. If they didn't ban the account but let him keep it with 0 isk on it :)
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Ghaleon Arnoediad
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Posted - 2009.01.03 11:58:00 -
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Do we know on wich Alliance this player depends on ?
I suppose this player owens millions in real - so he can buy another account and start this again...
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Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2009.01.03 12:03:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur Actually, paypal has a policy of not making chargebacks on virtual goods. Possibly because proof of sale is often impossible to verify but more likely because it avoids a whole slew of problems.
Concidering the ten million US DOllars that Ebay had to pay out to people it had stolen money from (massive class action suit), and the subsequent attempts at forcing Ebay to stop the practice of theft, I would say that the chargeback option is nothing but a scam (Ebay in its entirety is a scam of grand proportion). I am surprised that Ebay actually care about virtual items as the only verification that takes place by them is the 'how to scam more' one.
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Ancy Denaries
Caldari Solaris Operations
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Posted - 2009.01.05 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: Freya Runestone You know what would be even better than that. If they didn't ban the account but let him keep it with 0 isk on it :)
Eeeh, no?
What they usually do, unless they ban someone, is to remove all the ISK he bought, as well as any goods aquired with said ISK, often leaving said ISK-buyer WAAAAY into the red. Try playing EVE with debt. That's right, you can't even fricking repair or sell anything because you can't pay the fees. Happy ratting.
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Spurty
Caldari Technologic Dance
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Posted - 2009.01.06 04:06:00 -
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Edited by: Spurty on 06/01/2009 04:08:44 only thing that drives me nuts is this decimal point not being a decimal point stuff, but once you've tripped over it doing some calculations (calculators disagree 13.500 is the same as 13500), you learn not everyone has a sane grasp on how to signify digits (nor is English their first language) and you cut them slack and just stfu about it as you learned to 'decode' their point! ;)
oh and back on track with the thread, its a game, why is anyone spending that much real life money on it? Got to assume they had some 'clever' plan to become an isk seller themselves and this was to set up shop. I'd not have to think too hard to imagine the people that pocketed the money did so partially to protect their enterprise as well. |
Ryuga VonRhaiden
Caldari Insurgent New Eden Tribe Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2009.01.06 11:52:00 -
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Originally by: Spurty Edited by: Spurty on 06/01/2009 04:08:44 only thing that drives me nuts is this decimal point not being a decimal point stuff, but once you've tripped over it doing some calculations (calculators disagree 13.500 is the same as 13500), you learn not everyone has a sane grasp on how to signify digits (nor is English their first language) and you cut them slack and just stfu about it as you learned to 'decode' their point! ;)
You have decimal point, we have decimal comma... as we are speaking of a DANISH court, we use decimal comma and the point is only a separator, it's not that hard!! :P
Do not try and find the signature... that's impossible. Instead only try to realize the truth... There is no signature. |
Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2009.01.06 12:31:00 -
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Edited by: Super Whopper on 06/01/2009 12:31:49
Originally by: Spurty Edited by: Spurty on 06/01/2009 04:08:44 only thing that drives me nuts is this decimal point not being a decimal point stuff, but once you've tripped over it doing some calculations (calculators disagree 13.500 is the same as 13500), you learn not everyone has a sane grasp on how to signify digits (nor is English their first language) and you cut them slack and just stfu about it as you learned to 'decode' their point! ;)
You mean like your usage of capital letters, full stops and comma's? What you should have said is that not everyone has a sane grasp on life. LOL
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Tiger313
313th Squadron
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Posted - 2009.01.06 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: Ombey
Originally by: EBANK Ricdic Pengeinstitutankenµvnet
Awesome name! My next character is going to be called that.
"Primary is Pengein..Peng...Pengein....nvm"
lol That cracked me up alright!
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VJ Maverick
Splinter Cell Alfa
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Posted - 2009.01.06 16:51:00 -
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Edited by: VJ Maverick on 06/01/2009 16:52:34
Originally by: TU144 TEPPOPNCT'CMEPTHNK
His grip should have been with PayPal, as they made the final transaction with the scammers Bank. The transaction between VISA and PayPal was legitimate, the one between PayPal and (Scammer) was not. It is PayPals responsibilty to recover moneys from the scammers bank account(if it still exists).
Disagreed. People seem to think this hinges on the difference between PayPal and VISA. Not so. The result would have been the same if he used VISA and not PayPal, except that a VISA transaction would have made things a lot more messy because of the chargeback provisions. ALL the transactions in this case were per se legitimate. The guy actually GOT his ISK, which fulfilled the obligations of all parties involved, including the ISK seller. The problem occurred when his newly bought ISK was taken away by CCP. The buyer simply got butthurt and sued whoever he could even if he had absolutely no case. --------
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Corwain
Gallente Dark Skullz Empire Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.01.06 21:13:00 -
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Anyone remember that guy who asked for a price on Titans and who might possibly sell him one a long while back? Claimed to get his ISK from GTCs. Kid claimed to be some big RL CEO or something with a genius IQ but wanted to use a titan for losec piracy or something laughable. I remember arguing with him for a post or two before deeming him a COMPLETELY lost cause. -- Distortion| Distortion 2 Preview |
Biolaja Tista
Gallente Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2009.01.06 21:41:00 -
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Why would anyone need 400 billion ISK? To buy a Titan? HA! It's impossible to independently own a Titan. Only the Power Blocs have access to Titans. _________________
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Zarch AlDain
Hematite Rose Bionic Dawn
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Posted - 2009.01.07 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: Biolaja Tista Why would anyone need 400 billion ISK? To buy a Titan? HA! It's impossible to independently own a Titan. Only the Power Blocs have access to Titans.
Actually I know several people who privately own Titans.
They are pretty useless unless you are part of a power block though. You would be surprised just how many "alliance" Titans are actually privately owned when you look more closely.
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Criswell White
Minmatar Selectus Pravus Lupus
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Posted - 2009.01.08 03:39:00 -
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Originally by: Biolaja Tista Why would anyone need 400 billion ISK? To buy a Titan? HA! It's impossible to independently own a Titan. Only the Power Blocs have access to Titans.
You buy it, you own it. That's the easy part. Using it is another matter altogether.
But of course, we should always remember that, technically, nobody owns anything in EVE. It's all entries in a database on computers owned by CCP. We should all breathe a great sigh of relief that the Icelandic bank crisis did not suck New Eden into nonexistance.
Wotlanger could have just as easily bought GTC's and sold them for ISK legally. But he chose to go outside of EVE's TOS more than once - enough times, or in large enough amounts, or both, that put his account on CCP's watchlist, and his last transaction prompted confiscation of the full amount purchased over time.
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Legio Praetor
The Green Machine Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2009.01.18 00:51:00 -
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Edited by: Legio Praetor on 18/01/2009 00:54:19
Originally by: Ombey
Originally by: EBANK Ricdic Pengeinstitutankenµvnet
Awesome name! My next character is going to be called that.
"Primary is Pengein..Peng...Pengein....nvm"
I lol'ed
EDIT: (But then im danish)
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Cortex Reaver
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.01.24 03:31:00 -
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On the ruling that Visa and Nordea don't owe him anything surely he's taking it further and going after Paypal? If it's not just a case that CCP took the isk back then surely someone is liable for the fact that he paid money and received nothing and he did it "legitimately" i.e. through an online credit broker type in the form of Paypal. I would think they're meant to reimburse him and take the balance from OwnYourGame's own Paypal account?
Any Paypal employees here to clear things up a little?
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EnslaverOfMinmatar
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Posted - 2009.01.24 04:26:00 -
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He was gonna bribe goonswarm directors uʍop ǝpısdn ǝɹnʇɐuƃıs ʎɯ ƃuıpɐǝɹ ǝɹɐ noʎ
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Cmdr Sy
Appetite 4 Destruction The Firm.
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Posted - 2009.01.24 05:03:00 -
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Is it possible he was using the comparatively cheap illegal ISK to hoover up GTCs in-game and sell them online for RL currency at a discount to official retailers? The spread on EUR 13,500 per quarter is a reasonable wage if one avoids declaring taxes on it.
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