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Posted - 2009.01.02 21:16:00 -
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 Originally by: Cordele
That isn't an explanation, just a confirmation it isn't an oversight. The closest we've had to an explanation that I know of is this quote from Explorer:
Originally by: CCP Explorer
It could be that it might a possibility, but that discussion has not reached me. There was a good reason why the table was excluded and those concerns would have to be alleviated.
What were those concerns? There is this quote from Prism from when the information was originally removed from the data export:
Originally by: CCP Prism X
Why is crpNPCCorporationTrades missing? Well, it should really never have been included. This is basicaly meta-data and could allow people to get an advantage they couldn't otherwise get in game. Something like finding out what is being sold in regions they've never been in would be a good example. Finding the best possible trade routes through some datamining would be another. I'm sorry if the mismatch has wasted anyones time.
But this was from before the information was removed from the Item Database (which is an effect that only showed up recently when the latest data without the NPC Market table was used for the EVElopedia), and Prism seems to have been referring to values that only appeared in the Data Export, as judging by this quote he was willing to consider including the kind of basic helpful information that used to show in the Item Database in the next export.
Please note that today there is no difference between the information in the Static Data Export Database (SDEDB) and the web-based Item Database (WebItemDB), it's the same data. Part of the overall project we have been working on for the last 6 months is to consolidate the information we publish and not publish some data only in a certain medium/format, and another part is to base all projects such as the WebItemDB on top of the SDEDB (static data) and the EVE API (real-time data) to simplify development and updating, for us, for our development partners and for independent 3rd parties that develop EVE-related content.
A note on the timing: crpNPCCorporationTrades was removed from the SDEDB in July last year when its structure and deployment was overhauled. The same data was not removed from the old item database at that time, since work was ongoing on EVElopedia, which included implementing the new WebItemDB using the SDEDB as the source. Instead the old item database was kept unchanged until the development of EVElopedia was complete. That work is now done and the "Item Database" link on the EVE and MyEVE web sites now points to the WebItemDB on EVElopedia.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson
Software Director
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Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2009.01.02 21:43:00 -
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Explorer, no offense but the whole announcement, the topic of the annoucement in relation to the on-line item database, the timing of the annoucement and the lag till it effected the on-line item database, and the rational behind the change all leave me feeling a bit disaffected.
I think the following quote(s) from the "great book" can sum up my feelings perfectly;
"There's no point in acting all surprised about it. All the planning charts and demolition orders have been on display in your local planning department in Alpha Centauri for fifty of your Earth years, so you'vehad plenty of time to lodge any formal complaint and it's far too late to start making a fuss about it now"
"What do you mean, you've never been to Alpha Centauri? For heaven's sake, mankind, it's only four light-years away, you know. I'm sorry, but if you cant be bothered to take an interest in local affairs that's your own lookout."
"Energize the demolition beams."
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Wadaya
Caldari
Trailerpark Industries
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Posted - 2009.01.02 21:52:00 -
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Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto
Um, for all this complaining over information being removed, you all seem to forget that it's a wiki. Just add it back in yourself.
You can't edit the item data part of the wiki, which is one of the points if you'd bothered to actually read before posting.
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zacuis
Great Big Research
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Posted - 2009.01.02 23:11:00 -
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treelox i couldnt have put it better my self.
ccp you gotta be crazy removing this info from us. im sure every one that ever bought a bpo will sign a petition to have it put back
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Gaogan
Gallente
Solar Storm
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2009.01.12 21:38:00 -
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The removal of this information is epic fail.
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Jmanis Catharg
Caldari
Dusk Blade
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Posted - 2009.01.12 21:46:00 -
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The new Wiki page for the item DB is still full of 'meh' for me since blueprints still lack the crucial Time to Copy/Time to Manufacture/Time to ME Research/Time to PE research, as well as the bill of materials for those things.
This stuff is important because when I'm theorycrafting away from a client, I need to look for other sources for this info instead of just coming here, which is silly |
Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
Zzz
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Posted - 2009.01.12 22:47:00 -
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Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 12/01/2009 22:49:46
Without this resource, finding T1 BPOs can be an extremely tedious process, especially if you have no idea which corp builds them. You can still look up all the NPC corporations 1 by 1 ingame (and on the website) and see what they sell, so the same information is still public, only much more laborious to sift through.
I suppose this is another part of the website that's going to be removed?
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Myrhial Arkenath
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2009.01.13 09:14:00 -
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If you are going to let players add extra information to the wiki pages you may as well do it yourself CCP, saves you a whole damn lot of time having to verify everything that has been added.
If not, I do hope that players adding where certain blueprints are on sale will be allowed? |
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