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Naragi Janak	Posted - 2008.12.24 00:58:00 - [1] Edited by: Naragi Janak on 24/12/2008 01:01:02 Yes, fellow EVE players. I come to you talking about add-ons. Now when I say "add-ons", I don't mean things like Mining Macro's, oh no. I mean things that make the EVE User Interface more appealing. Things like colour coding items so you know how valuable they are, without having to look on the market, etc. Now before you all start going "This isn't WoW, we don't need add-ons, my mums an elephant, yadda yadda yadda!", take a minute to think. Would YOU, as an individual, like to be able to customize YOUR EVE? To be able to make it your own, personal EVE? Think about it. Your UI is the same for the millions of other players. Wouldn't you like a UI that makes you stand out from the rest? The UI that makes you absolutely Unique? Now, if I had the power and the knowledge, I would completely revamp the entire EVE UI, just so I could see it how I wished to see it. Add-ons can do just that. Make your UI, that Unique part of your EVE life. So please CCP, make Add-ons a whole new part of EVE, and make our EVE gameplay that little bit more Unique. N.J
Billy Sastard Amarr	Posted - 2008.12.24 00:59:00 - [2] I don't think this is really an issue of whether 'we' want it or not. CCP has stated in the past that user modification of the UI is not something that they care to pursue, so I think the issue is moot. <-------------------------------------------------> "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." -Albert Einstein
Iria Ahrens Amarr 101st Space Marine Force The Leathernecks	Posted - 2008.12.24 01:04:00 - [3] I think the current way is better. Sure, with EQ and EQ2 and other games I'd customize a bit if the option was available. But the problem is, come patch and that interface mod would not work at best, and sometimes crash the client. Worse, some of my favorite UI mods would never get updated, so I'd have to use an inferior mod someone else did. I spent a few days trying to update my favorite one, but couldn't get it to work at all--much less update it. And a lot of the time, many of the player mods would become obsolete anyway. Making backpack boxes smaller etc. This way is better. No one is going to have an advantage, of any sort, because they used a game mod, and other players won't be forced to get the same mod to be competetive. That's how it should be. -- Nobody expects the Amarr Inquisition!
Naragi Janak	Posted - 2008.12.24 01:05:00 - [4] Originally by: Billy Sastard I don't think this is really an issue of whether 'we' want it or not. CCP has stated in the past that user modification of the UI is not something that they care to pursue, so I think the issue is moot. Don't CCP care about User Submitted Opinions? I believe that Add-ons will make EVE even more enjoyable.
Vladimir Scott	Posted - 2008.12.24 01:07:00 - [5] Originally by: Iria Ahrens I think the current way is better. Sure, with EQ and EQ2 and other games I'd customize a bit if the option was available. But the problem is, come patch and that interface mod would not work at best, and sometimes crash the client. Worse, some of my favorite UI mods would never get updated, so I'd have to use an inferior mod someone else did. I spent a few days trying to update my favorite one, but couldn't get it to work at all--much less update it. And a lot of the time, many of the player mods would become obsolete anyway. Making backpack boxes smaller etc. This way is better. No one is going to have an advantage, of any sort, because they used a game mod, and other players won't be forced to get the same mod to be competetive. That's how it should be. I'm afraid I must agree with Iria Ahrens on this matter, Naragi. UI add-ons would not be the best thing for EVE. As you should know by now, EVE has a lot of patches, and with every patch, the add-on developers will have to change the code time and time again. The EVE UI should stay as it is, until technology becomes so good that we have Virtual Reality and can design things a whole lot easier.
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.12.24 01:37:00 - [6] I would love if add-ons were available in EVE. I played World of Warcraft when it first came out. The UI was terrible. Players were able to create and update add-ons. DL a few add-ons and omg stuff was insanely better. Blizzard stole the most popular user created add-ons and incorporated them into the game. Users coded the add-ons and updated them in each patch so there was no work for Blizzard, they stole the add-ons because users were programming better than Blizzard and it made them look incompetent. Imagine if you never had an issue with the UI ever again and all important information customized specifically to you was highlighted and displayed easily. That is what you get if you allow add-ons. For instance if add-ons were allowed, seeing standings in local would've been available within a few days and not months or years for CCP to put it in. Etc, etc. -- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Neesa Corrinne Rogue Shadow Squad Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.12.24 01:42:00 - [7] In a game where losses are tangible and measurable it is much more appropriate for everyone to be on the same level playing field when it comes to the UI. ---------------------------------
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2008.12.24 01:47:00 - [8] Originally by: Vaal Erit ...I played World of Warcraft when it first came out. The UI was terrible... Still is. Delenda est achura.
Washell Olivaw	Posted - 2008.12.24 02:01:00 - [9] Originally by: Naragi Janak So please CCP, make Add-ons a whole new part of EVE, and make our EVE gameplay that little bit more Unique. N.J And while you're at it, take care of world peace too! Blizzard made the design choice to create their UI renderer with XML/LUA access. This means that when subteams were working on combat, inventory, map, etc were working with the knowledge that any and all data had to handed over via XML/LUA. For CCP to go back and recreate the UI to allow for add-ons is a massive task that touches every system in the game. The potential for bugs is huge and it would require extensive testing. It can be done, but is it worth the cost? Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
Naragi Janak	Posted - 2008.12.24 02:24:00 - [10] Edited by: Naragi Janak on 24/12/2008 02:25:13 Edited by: Naragi Janak on 24/12/2008 02:24:40 Originally by: Washell Olivaw Originally by: Naragi Janak So please CCP, make Add-ons a whole new part of EVE, and make our EVE gameplay that little bit more Unique. N.J And while you're at it, take care of world peace too! Blizzard made the design choice to create their UI renderer with XML/LUA access. This means that when subteams were working on combat, inventory, map, etc were working with the knowledge that any and all data had to handed over via XML/LUA. For CCP to go back and recreate the UI to allow for add-ons is a massive task that touches every system in the game. The potential for bugs is huge and it would require extensive testing. It can be done, but is it worth the cost? Is it worth the cost? Is it worth the cost!? Is it worth the cost of raging wars and building guns and nuclear weaponry!! EVE is the only thing that can get me away from this miserable little planet we live on, and all I ask for is one tiny moderation. So before you ask, "is it worth the cost", ask yourself, is it worth the cost of all those men, every day, losing their lives? Is it worth the cost of building more and more terrifying weaponry that makes me sick to be a member of the human race...

Alphrya Inter-Region Trade And Logistics	Posted - 2008.12.24 02:35:00 - [11] Originally by: Naragi Janak Edited by: Naragi Janak on 24/12/2008 02:25:13 Edited by: Naragi Janak on 24/12/2008 02:24:40 Originally by: Washell Olivaw Originally by: Naragi Janak So please CCP, make Add-ons a whole new part of EVE, and make our EVE gameplay that little bit more Unique. N.J And while you're at it, take care of world peace too! Blizzard made the design choice to create their UI renderer with XML/LUA access. This means that when subteams were working on combat, inventory, map, etc were working with the knowledge that any and all data had to handed over via XML/LUA. For CCP to go back and recreate the UI to allow for add-ons is a massive task that touches every system in the game. The potential for bugs is huge and it would require extensive testing. It can be done, but is it worth the cost? Is it worth the cost? Is it worth the cost!? Is it worth the cost of raging wars and building guns and nuclear weaponry!! EVE is the only thing that can get me away from this miserable little planet we live on, and all I ask for is one tiny moderation. So before you ask, "is it worth the cost", ask yourself, is it worth the cost of all those men, every day, losing their lives? Is it worth the cost of building more and more terrifying weaponry that makes me sick to be a member of the human race... somebody call the crazy house, I got a fresh 'un. * Buying your Junk! EVEmail me or post in my thread! *
Digital Solaris	Posted - 2008.12.24 02:50:00 - [12] Originally by: Alphrya somebody call the crazy house, I got a fresh 'un. Fresh from WoW, it seems...
T'Laar Bok	Posted - 2008.12.24 04:18:00 - [13] The UI is total crap and has always been total crap, just varying degrees of total crapyness. I support plugins or anything else that will allow customization. It doesn't matter what is introduced, plugins or otherwise, the UI cant be made any worse. CCP need an entry, if not several, in the Interface Hall of Shame. Boooo CCP! SO THERE! put that in your pipe and smoke it.
Valeronx Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.24 04:27:00 - [14] Originally by: Naragi Janak Would YOU, as an individual, like to be able to customize YOUR EVE? To be able to make it your own, personal EVE? No .
Madius	Posted - 2008.12.24 06:27:00 - [15] Originally by: Wendat Huron Originally by: Vaal Erit ...I played World of Warcraft when it first came out. The UI was terrible... Still is. Difference is, you can change WoW's terrible UI. With EVE, you're stuck with the terrible UI.
Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2008.12.24 06:37:00 - [16] I have to be the only person in the world who actually LIKES EVE's UI. The only problem is that it's tricky to find some things sometime - E.G., you can't just show info on an Avatar, you have to go to the market and search for it and then show info. Also AFAIK there's no way to tell where your clone is if you're not at a station with a medical facility. Aside from those though (and a general search bar would be really helpful for the former) I'm pretty happy with the UI. To answer the OP: Not particularly, no. There's a lot of customization available already, anyway - you can have as many windows as you want (or as few), the overview is really customizable (if a little tedious to adjust initially), and once you know to look for the little white arrow and to right-click on anything I find that the UI can display a lot of information while hiding most of it when unneeded. That's just me. __________________________________ Originally by: Arthur Frayn How much to ruin all your holes, luv?
Wadaya Caldari Trailerpark Industries	Posted - 2008.12.24 07:33:00 - [17] I just want a built in mp3 player so i dont have to alt-tab.
Tippia Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2008.12.24 07:38:00 - [18] Originally by: Naragi Janak Would YOU, as an individual, like to be able to customize YOUR EVE? To be able to make it your own, personal EVE? Think about it. Your UI is the same for the millions of other players. Wouldn't you like a UI that makes you stand out from the rest? The UI that makes you absolutely Unique? I already have customized the UI to meet my needs. I'm never going to see anyone else's setup, so I couldn't care less if mine isn't unique — why would it need to be? No sig for me, thankyouverymuch.
Qordel Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.12.24 09:03:00 - [19] I would be satisfied simply reducing the need for using the mouse. Especially since EVE draws a crowd that lives on a machine at work for the most part. The last thing I need after 12 hours of workign toward an RSI at work is another handful of hours topping off a major RSI at home relaxing with EVE.
Strel Samodelkin Caldari Nationalist Party	Posted - 2008.12.24 09:09:00 - [20] That would be great. I really see no disadvantage to having add-ons for Eve Online. Caldari Nationalist Party

Karlemgne Tides Of War	Posted - 2008.12.24 10:02:00 - [21] Originally by: Vaal Erit I would love if add-ons were available in EVE. I played World of Warcraft when it first came out. The UI was terrible. Players were able to create and update add-ons. DL a few add-ons and omg stuff was insanely better. Blizzard stole the most popular user created add-ons and incorporated them into the game. Users coded the add-ons and updated them in each patch so there was no work for Blizzard, they stole the add-ons because users were programming better than Blizzard and it made them look incompetent. Imagine if you never had an issue with the UI ever again and all important information customized specifically to you was highlighted and displayed easily. That is what you get if you allow add-ons. For instance if add-ons were allowed, seeing standings in local would've been available within a few days and not months or years for CCP to put it in. Etc, etc. Eve did this once. You know, when they added the ability to see war targets and player standings in local? They need to remove fracking local. I'm looking at you Goonies. -Karlemge
Eben Rochelle Gallente Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2008.12.24 11:45:00 - [22] Originally by: Naragi Janak Edited by: Naragi Janak on 24/12/2008 02:25:13 Edited by: Naragi Janak on 24/12/2008 02:24:40 Originally by: Washell Olivaw Originally by: Naragi Janak So please CCP, make Add-ons a whole new part of EVE, and make our EVE gameplay that little bit more Unique. N.J And while you're at it, take care of world peace too! Blizzard made the design choice to create their UI renderer with XML/LUA access. This means that when subteams were working on combat, inventory, map, etc were working with the knowledge that any and all data had to handed over via XML/LUA. For CCP to go back and recreate the UI to allow for add-ons is a massive task that touches every system in the game. The potential for bugs is huge and it would require extensive testing. It can be done, but is it worth the cost? Is it worth the cost? Is it worth the cost!? Is it worth the cost of raging wars and building guns and nuclear weaponry!! EVE is the only thing that can get me away from this miserable little planet we live on, and all I ask for is one tiny moderation. So before you ask, "is it worth the cost", ask yourself, is it worth the cost of all those men, every day, losing their lives? Is it worth the cost of building more and more terrifying weaponry that makes me sick to be a member of the human race... Go easy on the sherry grandma!
Rouque Vanderbuilt Nuts and Bolts	Posted - 2008.12.24 11:53:00 - [23] Originally by: Naragi Janak Yes, fellow EVE players. I come to you talking about add-ons. Now when I say "add-ons", I don't mean things like Mining Macro's, oh no. I mean things that make the EVE User Interface more appealing. Things like colour coding items so you know how valuable they are, without having to look on the market, etc. Now before you all start going "This isn't WoW, we don't need add-ons, my mums an elephant, yadda yadda yadda!", take a minute to think. Would YOU, as an individual, like to be able to customize YOUR EVE? To be able to make it your own, personal EVE? Think about it. Your UI is the same for the millions of other players. Wouldn't you like a UI that makes you stand out from the rest? The UI that makes you absolutely Unique? Now, if I had the power and the knowledge, I would completely revamp the entire EVE UI, just so I could see it how I wished to see it. Add-ons can do just that. Make your UI, that Unique part of your EVE life. So please CCP, make Add-ons a whole new part of EVE, and make our EVE gameplay that little bit more Unique. Go and play World of Scum.
Sile Suirghiche Gaidhlig Technology	Posted - 2008.12.24 12:04:00 - [24] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin That would be great. I really see no disadvantage to having add-ons for Eve Online. ^This^
Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2008.12.24 12:05:00 - [25] CCP pretty much said at fan fest that they didn't want to do the add on thing. Thank god for that, imo. Player made add ons are cool in a way. They do open up the "group mind" sort of design process that can make for a more intuitive ui. However, as a player, I get annoyed with the overall end effects. You get used to some player made thing. That player gets bored with it all and disappears. Game maker comes out with a new patch or version that breaks the add on, and then there's a long wait for the updated add on or it simply remains broken and you're left to get used to its abscence. It just adds to the mess of patch days. Then there's the player peer pressure thing. "You've got to get the Group Targeter add on! We all use it in SpaceMonkeyKillers. If you're going to be one of us, GET IT!" Yeah, but I friggen hate the Group Targeter. "Tough crap". - Could it improve the Eve ui? Sure. - Could it give CCP ideas on what we as players might want to see in their UI? Most likely. - Is it worth all the crap that comes with it? Meh... No thanks. ---- ≡v≡
Jen'Dar Minmatar The R.I.T.U.A.L Corp Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.12.24 12:14:00 - [26] Originally by: Naragi Janak Edited by: Naragi Janak on 24/12/2008 02:25:13 Edited by: Naragi Janak on 24/12/2008 02:24:40 Originally by: Washell Olivaw Originally by: Naragi Janak So please CCP, make Add-ons a whole new part of EVE, and make our EVE gameplay that little bit more Unique. N.J And while you're at it, take care of world peace too! Blizzard made the design choice to create their UI renderer with XML/LUA access. This means that when subteams were working on combat, inventory, map, etc were working with the knowledge that any and all data had to handed over via XML/LUA. For CCP to go back and recreate the UI to allow for add-ons is a massive task that touches every system in the game. The potential for bugs is huge and it would require extensive testing. It can be done, but is it worth the cost? Is it worth the cost? Is it worth the cost!? Is it worth the cost of raging wars and building guns and nuclear weaponry!! EVE is the only thing that can get me away from this miserable little planet we live on, and all I ask for is one tiny moderation. So before you ask, "is it worth the cost", ask yourself, is it worth the cost of all those men, every day, losing their lives? Is it worth the cost of building more and more terrifying weaponry that makes me sick to be a member of the human race... Man, this is the funniest thing i've seen all day... it's even cheered me up in the shadow of Christmas! rofl totally unrelated to the original post subject lets hope somebody gets him a straight jacket for xmas, eh? On the subject of addons though, someone has already said that in a game like EVE it makes sense for everyone to be on "Even ground" when it comes to the UI and i totally agree, nobody should have any kind of advantage over anybody else (apart from the obvious game mechanics ). what's so bad about the EVE UI anyway? i've always kinda liked it's rigid style, admittedly it needs some refinement on a few things, but overall it's pretty good!
Grarr Dexx Amarr Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2008.12.24 12:27:00 - [27] Originally by: Neesa Corrinne In a game where losses are tangible and measurable it is much more appropriate for everyone to be on the same level playing field when it comes to the UI. Well said! ----- Nexus stamps of approvalÖ count: 1
Lucy'Lastic	Posted - 2008.12.24 13:23:00 - [28] Originally by: Grarr Dexx Originally by: Neesa Corrinne In a game where losses are tangible and measurable it is much more appropriate for everyone to be on the same level playing field when it comes to the UI. Well said! Since when has this game been about everyone being on a level playing field? I don't see what the problem would be with a better UI than the one CCP gave us.
Neesa Corrinne Rogue Shadow Squad Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.12.24 13:33:00 - [29] Originally by: Lucy'Lastic Originally by: Grarr Dexx Originally by: Neesa Corrinne In a game where losses are tangible and measurable it is much more appropriate for everyone to be on the same level playing field when it comes to the UI. Well said! Since when has this game been about everyone being on a level playing field? I don't see what the problem would be with a better UI than the one CCP gave us. You stopped reading past the word "field" because I clearly said "When it comes to the UI" afterwords. I'm not concerned with whether the playing field is level on a per combat basis within the given game structure. All I'm saying is that UI upgrades / modifications will make it possible for some inventive players to gain large advantages in an otherwise even match. EVE doesn't need anything that furthers the disparity between players, and this would do just that. The UI being the the exact same for everyone is perfect. Maybe the UI itself needs a little work, but in EVE it should always be the same UI for everyone. If changing UI's is such a great thing, then there are plenty of other games on the market that allow that level of customization and I urge you to go play them rather than trying to change the atmosphere of the best MMO on the market. ---------------------------------
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.12.24 13:37:00 - [30] Originally by: Valeronx Originally by: Naragi Janak Would YOU, as an individual, like to be able to customize YOUR EVE? To be able to make it your own, personal EVE? No . +1 Why ? Because everyone sharing the same UI make people fight in the same conditions. Fetchez la vache !



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