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Rhafid Vara
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2008.12.24 04:52:00 -
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If you were new to this game would you buy a GTC to then sell for ISK to get a head start at the game?
I've been playing for a month and have 26m. I used to have 40m but I have recently been buying skill books that I will be needing shortly. I am considering buying a GTC to sell later on to give me a cash boost which I think will help me accelerate my progress.
Do you think it would be wise for a new player to do this?
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Gojyu
Ever Flow
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.12.24 05:01:00 -
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Edited by: Gojyu on 24/12/2008 05:02:30
Yes, definitely. I personally did back when gtc's would fetch 160 odd mil for a 30 day and I'd do it again. If you've got some spare cash floating around, a gtc will allow you to get a hell of a head start, a set of +4 implants and the advanced learning books for a start which iirc is around 160 odd mill and will shave days off your skill training times It'll also keep you in battlecruisers and cruisers while you build your skills and standings up for level 4 missions. If you're more economically minded, you could also use the 600mil to invest into the market, which would probably give you a far greater cash flow than you're getting now, but that's far from my specialty.
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Dyaven
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2008.12.24 05:04:00 -
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Edited by: Dyaven on 24/12/2008 05:04:37
I'd recommend against it. Doing your first few missions and trying to scheme up other ways of making isk the best way to learn the ropes of the game, and as you've probably heard EVE doesn't have a very forgiving learning curve. Having very little knowledge of the game and a lot of isk does not make for a good combination, and is usually a recipe for disaster.
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MooKids
Caldari
Dark Echo Engineering
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Posted - 2008.12.24 05:16:00 -
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I agree with Dyaven. Ever hear of the saying "a fool and his money are soon parted?" Same applies for newbies.
If you get that money, then you are going to start and think "maybe I am ready for a Battleship, hell, I can afford it." Then there will be "lets equip it with officer mods and make it really badass." Followed by "DAMMIT, how could that cruiser have killed me!"
Start small and work your way up. Learn with stuff you can afford and have earned.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.12.24 05:20:00 -
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Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 24/12/2008 05:21:05
 Originally by: Catharacta
My CNR runs on salvager tears.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.12.24 05:21:00 -
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There are 3 forms of progress in EVE.
The primary one is personal progress. YOU learning more about the game and developing within it.
The second one is skillpoint progress, which allows you to fly more stuff and more effectively.
And the last is ISK progress-how many shiny toys you can buy.
The first is hands down the most important. The third means little. Even the second pales in comparison to the first.
It can be nice to get the advanced learning books and implants and such...So if you have the spare cash, go ahead. Just remember that you're not suddenly rocketed ahead of everyone else (Even people who started at the same time as you) because of it.
Originally by: Catharacta
My CNR runs on salvager tears.
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Lu Kwan
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Posted - 2008.12.24 08:25:00 -
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Originally by: Dyaven
Edited by: Dyaven on 24/12/2008 05:19:45
Edited by: Dyaven on 24/12/2008 05:04:37
I'd recommend against it. Doing your first few missions and trying to scheme up other ways of making isk is the best way to learn the ropes of the game, and as you've probably heard EVE doesn't have a very forgiving learning curve. Having very little knowledge of the game and a lot of isk does not make for a good combination, and is usually a recipe for disaster.
I agree with this especially the last part on the other hand if real life money is no object for you then i would say hell ya go for it, grinding for isk is such a drag.
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Vikarion
Caldari
White Rose Society
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Posted - 2008.12.24 08:58:00 -
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One second, I'm going to go slam my head into a wall a bit...
...ok, buy one. Sell it. Get some "basic" implants and all the skill books you'll need for the foreseeable future. Then stick the rest somewhere safe and forget about it.
If you don't learn how to make isk early and squeeze the most out of every little credit, you will end up costing yourself far more than a GTC will ever give you.
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Tzar'rim
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Posted - 2008.12.24 09:49:00 -
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Yes... and no.
At the start of the game you spend a lot of time without options since your skills are low. Normally that time would be filled by slowly making progress in cash and experience. The fact that you need to make some money is a drive which forces you to learn and be active, it's just a good incentive to actually play.
When you "cheat your way past that problem" you're suddenly left with no reason to play at all because you don't have to make money so things kinda lose their magic and value if you know what I mean. Working your way up to buy your first frigate, then a tier 3 frigate and trying to figure out how to gain the cash for the fittings and all that, it really is part of the game.
Making things easy isn't always (or actually almost never) better in games.
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Durzel
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.12.24 11:28:00 -
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I sold some GTCs to get into a CNR faster and part of me regrets it. Rising up through missioning from L1 up to L4 really gives you an appreciation of the value of things (ISK vs time) and there is something to be said about the experience of buying something that you've slaved away for a while to get...
..though you shouldn't fly anything you can't afford to lose, as they say. 
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Torin Corax
Minmatar
Dark Ashes
Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2008.12.24 12:41:00 -
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As others have said, buying/ selling a GTC in order to get the advanced learning skills and a cheap set of implants is a pretty safe idea. Even having done this you will still have plenty of time to learn the ropes before moving up in ships (assuming you actually play while training).
However, if you decide that PvP is where you want to go I'd strongly recommend against using GTC isk to buy ships. For me the main reason I love PvP is the "rush" I get from knowing that a ship loss is going to cost me in both isk and time. This is what makes it fun. Knowing that I had unlimited resources available for instant replacement would eliminate any sense of risk involved, making PvP no more interesting or challenging than mission running.
In the end it boils down to what you want to get out of the game, and how much effort you're willing to put in to achieve it.
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NE Weevil
The Blue Dagger Mercenery Agency
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Posted - 2008.12.24 15:42:00 -
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Originally by: Durzel
...and there is something to be said about the experience of buying something that you've slaved away for a while to get...
And when it dies the opposite effect occurs.  Muahahahaha
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Ninjas N Pirates
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Posted - 2008.12.24 22:41:00 -
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Wait... how do you "get ahead" in Eve by selling 1 GTC?
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Kazuma Saruwatari
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.12.25 00:25:00 -
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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Wait... how do you "get ahead" in Eve by selling 1 GTC?
More isk to waste learning about the game?
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.12.25 00:56:00 -
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Too bad you can't really sell less than 30-day increments (via PLEX), and one of those stands at noticeably over 300 mil right now... since all the ISK you really need as a newbie are those for a set of +3 implants (cheap), the advanced learnings (about the same) and a cruiser plus fitings (so, all in all, well under 100 mil).
Heck, even if you decide to go for +4 implants, that's still not much more ISK needed, you won't get to spend half of what you get for just one PLEX on things you can really make use of properly as a newbie.
Anything more is serious overkill.
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Kyanzes
Amarr
Utopian Research I.E.L.
Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2008.12.26 04:33:00 -
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Don't rob yourself of the kick-off experience. Try to earn every ISK you spend instead of simply buying yourself wealth with real money. It's kind of pointless in the sense that you take a serious leap on the learning path that could give you a lot of experience. It's not that you are missing a few hundred million ISK to buy your carrier or anything (in which case it wouldn't be much of a deal making that ISK anyways) so don't do it. Try to fight your way up. The sole and only reason to buy ISK could be the learning implants. I admit that could probably help you a lot. But frankly, I still wouldn't do that. Don't buy ISK.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.12.26 09:29:00 -
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If I was starting again I would do it, and I even had a bunch of spare cash when I started.
the only issue is knowing on what to spend it.
first things I would get are the advanced learning skills and a +3 set.
but hey you are a month in.
now if you want to pve: buy your bc, rig it up, and start working on the bs skills
if you want to pvp start working on them frigate/cruiser skills, and go blow stuff up.
just don't go buying stupid amounts of faction stuff, and cry when you lose stuff.
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Billy Sastard
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.12.26 16:33:00 -
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If you don't want to learn the 'make money' game then go for it imo. In my eyes there are 2 main games in EVE, the making money game, and the blowing other people up game. The making money game can be a bit time consuming and cuts into the blowing people up game, so if you have the cash, I say buy your GTC's and sell them all you want. Now if you are more of an industrialist/non-pvp type, then the only purpose of the game is making money, so buying it is a bit pointless now isnt it?
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2008.12.26 17:14:00 -
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ISK won't buy you experience, and tbh that's the main thing in this game.
Even if you sell GTC's for 20B and run off buying a Mothership you will still lose it to a small gang, since ISK doesn't buy you experience it's imo a waste.
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JaseNZ
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Posted - 2008.12.26 18:38:00 -
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Hi all, just been reading this topic.
A friend of mine in game told me that selling GTC ingame is a good way to make ISK.
He also told me that quite a while ago when he used to do it, he could buy 1 x 60 day GTC, and split it in EVE into 2 x 30 day GTC...then use one for himself, and sell the other.
But he admits it's been a LONG time since he did it, and isn't sure how exactly the system works now.
I was thinking of doing similar, I would like to start a second account so I can train 2 characters at once...is it possible to split a 60 day GTC into 2 30 day GTC, and say for instance, sell one ingame for ISK, and use the second to activate a new account?
Thanks.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.12.26 19:16:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 26/12/2008 19:18:26
Originally by: JaseNZ
He also told me that quite a while ago when he used to do it, he could buy 1 x 60 day GTC, and split it in EVE into 2 x 30 day GTC...then use one for himself, and sell the other.
But he admits it's been a LONG time since he did it, and isn't sure how exactly the system works now.
You either understood something wrong or he's lying through his teeth.
The possibility to do this (split a 60d GTC in 2x 30dPLEX) only began to exist less than two months ago.
I'd hardly call that "a long time ago".
P.S. How to do it is easy. You get your 60d code from wherever (shatteredcrystal seems to be one of the more popular choices), you go to the station you want to sell the PLEX (Jita44CN sees over 200 of them moved on a daily basis with plenty of buy orders), press ESC and click "Convert ETC" in the game menu, enter the code, and voila, you are now the proud owner of 2x PLEX. Sell one, use the other. Or sell both. Or whatever.
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JaseNZ
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Posted - 2008.12.26 19:26:00 -
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More than likely it was my misinterpretation heh.
So I could sell one under my main account, and use the second to upgrade a trial account? :)
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.12.26 19:39:00 -
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I am 99% sure you can do that. Haven't tested it personally so can't know 100%.
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