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Kemal Ataturk
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.18 23:52:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:Oh look a PvPer who doesn't know that Empire is about PvP as well.
As you said, EVE is about PvP. That includes the miners and missioners.
The proposal is to turn empire into 0.0 or low sec, except the NPC Corps. That would lead to equal rules for all.
Corina Jarr wrote:Also why don't you wait and see what CCP has for us and/or screws up with their new war dec and aggression stuff.
oh well you know i would be with you in that but from what i 've read they wanna do something bad more bad 
Thia is my proposal instead of waitng maybe they read and think about it. I don't expect them to do it but maybe gives them (or us too) some new ideas. |
Kemal Ataturk
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.04.18 23:54:00 -
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Kemal Ataturk wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:Oh look a PvPer who doesn't know that Empire is about PvP as well.
As you said, EVE is about PvP. That includes the miners and missioners.
The proposal is to turn empire into 0.0 or low sec, except the NPC Corps. That would lead to equal rules for all. Right now esspecially new miners think they are safe but they are not you see the tears on forums etc. Corina Jarr wrote:Also why don't you wait and see what CCP has for us and/or screws up with their new war dec and aggression stuff. oh well you know i would be with you in that but from what i 've read they wanna do something bad more bad Thia is my proposal instead of waitng maybe they read and think about it. I don't expect them to do it but maybe gives them (or us too) some new ideas.
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Akrasjel Lanate
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
706
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Posted - 2012.04.19 10:11:00 -
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Stupid alt is stupid |
betoli
Morior Invictus.
KRYSIS.
22
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Posted - 2012.04.19 11:01:00 -
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Feeding the troll - a little....
Arduemont wrote:There is no argument.
Eve has a wide variety of play styles. Many many people enjoy the relative safety of highsec. I myself often use my alt to make ISK in highsec to fund my nullsec antics
This in itself highlights the brokenness of the current system.
Arduemont wrote:
You will have thousands of non-pvping players and many of the pvping players unsubscribing almost instantly. The relative safety afforded in highsec is where 90% (estimated) of T1 production occurs. If you think prices for ships is high now, just imagine what it would be like with no safe place for miners.
Suggest refinement:
0.9-1.0 : no concord sanctioned war actions, no significant isk faucets either.
0.7-0.8 : concord protects npc members, player corps can purchase concord or navy protection. level 3 missions
0.5-0.6 : npc corps have concord protection at gates/stastions. player corps can purchase faction navy protection. level 4 missions
0.4 : player corps can purchase faction navy protection at gates/stations
0.3 : as-is
Range of protection purchasing options available, all military responses are provided in good faith. Products do not guarantee survival, only the specified response. Pricing subject response time, scale, corp size, sec status. Faction navy packages are subject to standing and references. Packages available per system, constellation and region. Finance options available please call 1-800-CONCORD for details. CONCORD is an ethical employer. |
Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies
Fidelas Constans
495
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Posted - 2012.04.19 12:42:00 -
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Akrasjel Lanate wrote:Stupid alt is stupid
Yes.... this is a fact people tend to miss....a guy who hates empire and NPC corps....but is too cowardly to post with his main.
Imagine that.
Prue hypocrisy.
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Teshania
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.04.19 13:25:00 -
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Yes eve is about PVP, and everything is fueled by it. Even your actions of being a troll.
You say your propasl to bring PVPers and indy pilots on to an equal isk income ratio o.O. To me i say stop gate camping for hours on end and go mission or something and earn your isk.
Something to think about.
You buy a ship (Isk Paid to indy pilot that makes it)>>You go blow another ship up, or get blown up>> Buy another ship(Isk paid to an indy pilot).. This repeats all day long
So now you set it up so all indy pilots get ganked all day long (even more then they are now)
So you buy a ship>>Blow up the indy pilot(s) you bought it from>>Slows down is production and items on market>>Ship prices go up (Cause we all know you are not going to make the ship)>>You blow more people up>>You get blown up>> Now you buy an over priced haul of a ship cause there is alot of demand buy no one building it cause you keep blowing them up..
Just saying Your actions effect the market. Wait tell you see Jita being burned and Hulkageon right after, I personally don't care to me it just fattens my wallet. PVP in itself makes the isk flow in the game. But don't hate when the price of your ships sky rockets cause all you do is hunt indy pilots down.
Keeping Empire around is needed to keep some of the minerals prices some what stable to allow people to keep getting ships and equipment at a decent price with out paying through the nose for it.
Just my two cents. Hate it like don't care, but remember this is a sandbox game, for every action there is a reaction. Sometimes its just long term before you see it. |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated
Adhocracy
344
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Posted - 2012.04.19 18:32:00 -
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Teshania wrote:(Cause we all know you are not going to make the ship)
Because no pvp'rs ever got their start by building stuffz....
OP: Your idea is flawed. The wardec changes won't make Hi-sec "worse". If anything, they may actually *reduce* combat - if they get rid of the immunity afforded by station games and neutral-alt RR...
Not supported, I want to see what CCP rolls out before I make any rush to judgement.
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online:
No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
Jayrendo Karr
Suns Of Korhal
Terran Commonwealth
53
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Posted - 2012.04.19 21:10:00 -
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If OP reveals main I will endorse this. |
Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies
Fidelas Constans
507
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Posted - 2012.04.19 22:15:00 -
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Jayrendo Karr wrote:If OP reveals main I will endorse this.
Depends on who/what/where/when.
But anything genericly saying "get rid of ______" which is large and massive in itself is ALWAYS bad.
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Benteen
Drone A.I. Servicing Inc.
6
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Posted - 2012.04.19 22:22:00 -
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Kemal Ataturk wrote:Thank you everybody who posted an argument even against my proposal.
Some other people can't use their brains or are unable to communicate, they lack the ability to understand what a "proposal" is and to have a discution. It 's their age for sure. They should try to give an argument that supports their view and, as we know, attacking the poster instead of bringing any argument to oppose what has been posted is a sign of lacking arguments.
The proposal is to turn empire into 0.0 or low sec, except the NPC Corps. That would lead to equal rules for all. It would be a good step against griefing and bulying newer player. The war mechanings right now force the playstyle of the attacker to the defender. It also leads to easy kills. A wannabe pvper decs an indy corp knowing the indy cant fight back. A real pvper fights in 0.0 or low sec. If someone wants to pvp the low sec and the 0.0 is right next door.
Support my proposal to achive a real new gamethinking.
New players leave now more than they would leave in this scenario. They would be safe in a NPC Corp and almost every industry guy would have pvp skils or a pvp alt.
Be nice stop trolling start arguing.
Sorry bud.. I can't support this ever. It'd lead to more station games, mineral prices would go insane as the only people mining would probably be bots (because the industrialists would mostly leave). No industrialists means few to no modules and NO ships as they're almost exclusively built by players now... your proposal would basically murder the game.
As for the wannabe PvP'er dec'ing an industrial corp... didn't work out so well for the one that Dec'ed Telsa before they moved to null sec.... Indy's technically won. |
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Eryn Velasquez
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
16
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Posted - 2012.04.19 22:30:00 -
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Kemal Ataturk wrote:
My proposal is more serious than you think. It solves a lot of issues. Everybody can kill everybody without to have anyone declare war or to pay for it? If someone doesnt want to participate in killing he stays in a NPC Corp.
Again my proposal solves a lot of issues and CCP can invest its efforts otherway.
There are gigantic constellations full of what you want - nullsec & lowsec.
Grow some balls and gtfo of highsec.
Suicide gankers - Silly griefing kiddies, annoying like dog poop under my shoes |
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
148
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Posted - 2012.04.20 13:21:00 -
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Wow, the OP really shows a masive lack of understanding of how the game works.
He also has given very little thought (possibly none), into how a change like this would affect the game. In all probability, kill Eve.
He also needs to post with his main, but he wont, because he knows his idea is nothing but a troll.
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum
In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
Ayla Hanaya
Hellbound Turkeys
Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects
2
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Posted - 2012.04.21 01:09:00 -
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If you want to taste what this would be like from the indy pilot's perspective, jump out into sov null, with no backup, no scout, no cloak and make your jump path back to safety no less than 50 jumps.... see how long you make it before falling to a gatecamp out there. The 0.0 alliances will gladly deprive you of your ship and pod very quickly.
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Lord Dravius
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
15
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Posted - 2012.04.23 02:01:00 -
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Kemal Ataturk wrote:Eve is a PVP game period. Whoever does not pvp doesn't know how to play eve, right? Instead of wasting time, money and tears about how to "fix" wardec, incursions etc and to be sure empire carebears do not earn more isk than peeveepeers i propose to turn safe Empire to 0.0 or better to low sec. Edit: Empire as we know it now should be only for NPC Corps. The moment you leave the NPC Corp you leave empire. p.s. Be nice 
I wish. It's never going to happen though. |
betoli
Morior Invictus.
KRYSIS.
22
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Posted - 2012.04.25 08:58:00 -
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Ayla Hanaya wrote:If you want to taste what this would be like from the indy pilot's perspective, jump out into sov null, with no backup, no scout, no cloak and make your jump path back to safety no less than 50 jumps.... see how long you make it before falling to a gatecamp out there. The 0.0 alliances will gladly deprive you of your ship and pod very quickly.
That highlights a problem with industrial platform survivability, not with the idea of reduced security in empire.
CCP seem to want more people in null, but they make zero effort to make sure that all playstyles are possible in null. Hence the epic meri-go-round of - nerf highsec - help, my mining barge is made of paper - bubbles are unfair etc etc.
IMO the first thing CCP should be doing balance wise, is to look at every profession and ask "is this actually possible for a casual new player to do in 0.0 with a T1 ship" and where the answer is no buff the platforms.
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Lexar Mundi
DYNAMIC INTERVENTION
ORPHANS OF EVE
0
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Posted - 2012.04.25 09:10:00 -
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Whats Empire? :P jk
With suicide ganks and war decs I think low, nul, and WH space is safer than HS tbh. |
Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc
Thundering Herd
229
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Posted - 2012.05.06 23:39:00 -
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No support.
Basically, because i believe your initial premise is incorrect.
You state, "Eve is a PvP game."
You are wrong, "Eve is a Sandbox game."
Your proposal is taking away the sandbox from players to force them to play the way you want.
This would be as bad as making HiSec perfectly safe.
Nothing clever at this time. |
Gevlin
Universal Might
DSM FOUNDATION
138
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Posted - 2012.05.07 02:24:00 -
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Bad idea - you will crush noobs before they get out to the harsh world of PVP
one must crawl be fore they can run.
Most of the accounts for eve are in empire.
One must make null sec, and low sec more customizable.
I play eve not to PVP but to care bear in a PVP invironment... I am now trying lowsec for a change a while in null sec
I enjoy with the proper prep work I can go and mine in relative safety. I change my locations randomly often not in my territory.
On occation I get duped because a PVPer out foxed me, I Do get upset a little but always don't fly what you can't afford to loose.
I have lost a Rorqual, even though it was fit with warp stabs, neuts cloak and micro warp drive. Jumped into a System that had a frigate from a neut came in - I Logged off waited 3 hours. Logged in . 1 frigate there in system.. warping to my warp out location.. Local spiked 2 other figates, 1 opened up a cyno and Summoned a Dreadnaugh which did me in quickly.
Neuted 2 Frigats, 3rd had warp disrupters and the nuets also had done their work but went down before the nuets finished their work.
That was a great fight.
On my mining ops I try to have a Intaloc arty BS or BC to inta pop those frigate attempting to take out a hulk or covetor or cyno in a hot drop.
The Goons are Coming, The Goons are Coming
Jita the April 28, Hulk a geddon April 29 for a month.
The Best Tears are the Geifer's Tears.
just hope the new crime watch system is in place by then.... oh the chaos will rain!!! |
Joran Dravius
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
19
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Posted - 2012.05.07 05:28:00 -
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I agree. Everywhere but starting systems should be 0.0. Newbies get 30 days of not being attackable to learn the game, skill up and find a corp. I was living in a 0.2 within days of starting the game with no such protection. It's not hard.
Nick Bison wrote:
You state, "Eve is a PvP game."
You are wrong, "Eve is a Sandbox game everywhere but high sec"
Fixed. |
Mike Whiite
Progressive State
State Section 9
44
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Posted - 2012.05.07 09:41:00 -
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Joran Dravius wrote:I agree. Everywhere but starting systems should be 0.0. Newbies get 30 days of not being attackable to learn the game, skill up and find a corp. I was living in a 0.2 within days of starting the game with no such protection. It's not hard. Nick Bison wrote:
You state, "Eve is a PvP game."
You are wrong, "Eve is a Sandbox game everywhere but high sec"
Fixed.
realy I see the trial account bussiness become boooming when you can't be attacked.
What you want is tried in many MMO's and tragicly failed over and over again.
A 30 day pilot is no match what so ever for a experienced pilot.
EvE's player base is a little older than most MMO's, (people with jobs and families) which can only play a few hours of those 30 days.
Most of al EvE "is" a Sandbox even in highsec, having rules doesn't make it less sandbox.
Most of all stop telling people they should play "YOUR GAME" in the sandbox. |
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Uronksur Suth
Viziam
Amarr Empire
17
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Posted - 2012.05.08 02:03:00 -
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Taking troll thread seriously because... I dunno, I'm bored I guess.
Kemal Ataturk wrote:Eve is a PVP game period. Whoever does not pvp doesn't know how to play eve, right? Instead of wasting time, money and tears about how to "fix" wardec, incursions etc and to be sure empire carebears do not earn more isk than peeveepeers i propose to turn safe Empire to 0.0 or better to low sec. Edit: Empire as we know it now should be only for NPC Corps. The moment you leave the NPC Corp you leave empire. p.s. Be nice
This is stupid, no it isn't. Eve is not a PvP game, it is a do-whatever-you-want game and CCP has been marketing that and intending that all along. You'd have to literally be blind and unable to see the big shiny banners blaring that to the world at http://www.eveonline.com/ which is why other posters are calling you a troll. |
Uronksur Suth
Viziam
Amarr Empire
17
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Posted - 2012.05.08 02:08:00 -
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Joran Dravius wrote:I agree. Everywhere but starting systems should be 0.0. Newbies get 30 days of not being attackable to learn the game, skill up and find a corp. I was living in a 0.2 within days of starting the game with no such protection. It's not hard.
That sounds like a terrible idea. Why would we ever want to implement something that stupid?
Joran Dravius wrote:Nick Bison wrote:
You state, "Eve is a PvP game."
You are wrong, "Eve is a Sandbox game everywhere but high sec"
Fixed.
No, not fixed, you are just throwing a tantrum that not everyone is playing the way that makes things the most fun for you personally. Eve is still a sandbox game in high sec, you are just angry that in this futuristic world, police still exist and enforce laws and will blow your ship up if you attack someone right in front of them. |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa
Stark Enterprises
1452
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Posted - 2012.05.08 09:27:00 -
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This proposal would solve allot more problems if the title read: "Hello, I fail at thinking ideas through and I'd like to biomass myself" |
Paintchk
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
12
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Posted - 2012.05.08 13:07:00 -
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This is completely stupid. You would destroying everything that people like. PVE would be gone. FW would be gone with its rise in popularity. Mining would be worthless and those do continue too do it would be forced to pay for protection,constantly hide or keep moving around. Not only that you would be destroying the whole EVE Fiction base or story base. EVE is not all about PVP, your just closed minded about the game, you want too PVP go too low or null sec. Getting rid of the Empires would be stupid and knocking down so many things.
Yes this sounds like a carebear but I don't mind helping them every now and then. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic
Tragedy.
1618
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Posted - 2012.05.08 14:20:00 -
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Kemal Ataturk wrote:Eve is a PVP game period.
I stopped reading right there since you are clearly wrong. My sig attests to that. Period.
EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! |
FireT
Royal Advanced Industries
Chained Reactions
20
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Posted - 2012.05.08 20:39:00 -
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Drake Draconis wrote:Kemal Ataturk wrote:Drake Draconis wrote:Kemal Ataturk wrote:Eve is a PVP game period. Whoever does not pvp doesn't know how to play eve, right? Instead of wasting time, money and tears about how to "fix" wardec, incursions etc and to be sure empire carebears do not earn more isk than peeveepeers i propose to turn safe Empire to 0.0 or better to low sec. p.s. Be nice Sure...right after your permabanned.  lol sure anned for what? I answer with stupid/riduclous requests with an equally stupid riduclous request. If you want something that outragious...then i expect an equal payment in likewise for my/our support. Forcing people to play the game your way will never work here....if your going to do that...I demand to have you forcefully removed from the game as a fair price tag. Permantely. Don't like it? Then don't make stupid requests.
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