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Tristen Michaels
Legions vegans Imperial Ascension
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Posted - 2012.04.13 18:37:00 -
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Currently making the move from hisec to nullsec- anybody got any recommendations? |
Bernie Nator
Talocan Hive Talocan United
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Posted - 2012.04.13 19:31:00 -
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Shoot anything that's not blue or purple. |
Kira Vanachura
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.13 20:16:00 -
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Dont forget to upgrade your clone before you go. And don't fly what you can't afford to lose. |
Dr Silkworth
Two Geezers in Space
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Posted - 2012.04.14 01:04:00 -
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Don't |
discordigant
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.04.14 03:13:00 -
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What he said but with the added bonus of why would you want to? |
Vjorn Angannon
Fleet Escort Services Exotic Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2012.04.14 10:47:00 -
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If you've never flown in nul before, may I suggest an Agony Unleashed Basic and Wolfpack course.
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Nemo deBlanc
Phoibe Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.04.14 11:11:00 -
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This. And also, why? Null is a broken husk that really shouldn't be of interest to many players. Go to WH space, get much better isk/hr, much higher quality PvP, and frankly just more fun. |
Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
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Posted - 2012.04.14 12:52:00 -
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Tristen Michaels wrote:Currently making the move from hisec to nullsec- anybody got any recommendations?
Don't move ALL of your assets keep your good mission ships (if you have some) in Empire.
Find what works as an adequate tank on your ship vs NPC's and don't of faction fit it (you will get caught with your pants down one day and lose it)
Join all the intel channels and keep an eye on them during PVE
Complexes make more money than anomalies if you can find them (and get the drops) so make sure you're scanning systems every couple of hours
If you get a chance to join in a huge 500+ fleet fight go and do it! While it's a laggy mess most of the time there isn't anywhere else you can experience it. |
Spy 21
Lonetrek Exploration and Salvage
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Posted - 2012.04.14 18:21:00 -
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lol the thread title sounded like moving from null to high... which doesn't sound all challenging to me. "The next time airport security tells you to put your hands over your head and hold that vulnerable position for seven seconds, ask yourself: Is this the posture of a free man?" |
DelBoy Trades
Trotter Independent Traders.
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Posted - 2012.04.15 00:45:00 -
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The replies in this thread made me vomit. I honestly don't see how people can live in Hisec, if the blokes actually found some stones and decided to leave World of Concordecraft don't try and persuade him otherwise.
Find a good 0.0 corp (there are many awful ones) and they'll talk you through everything you should know. Damn nature, you scary! |
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Korbin Dallaz
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.15 04:47:00 -
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You did not mention where you were going or why so it kinda makes advice difficult. I've moved out to null a few times. Once when my corp joined an Alliance that was moving out there and once when I went to run pirate missions. Null sec space is a logistical PITA in most cases you have to bring everything you need with you. You will be able to find stuff down there but it's rare you will be able to doc in a station and find everything that you need to fit out a ship the way that you would like. So you'll most likely need to bring most or all of the ship, mods and ammo that you'll need.
Living out of a PoS can be very difficult unless you have a corp/alliance that has things worked out really well. Living out of a station is usually much easier but again if you have to go several jumps to pick up supplies you will likely loose a ship just trying to pick stuff up
If you have never been to null in most of null people are shooting at everything that moves. You will often get shot at and chased around for no reason other than because you are there. If you like non-stop PvP then it's likely the place for you. If you have some star wars kind of vision of epic large fleet battles over territory then I'm pretty sure that accounts for a small fraction of a percent of the hours played in game
If you want to be largely free to mission or run anoms and do exploration or other wise pursue PvE that is a step up from high sec then you will probably want to get with an Alliance that is blue to the locals. But keep in mind they will likely have strict rules that you will have to follow and mandatory CTAs. This means much of your game time will be spent doing things you are ordered to do rather than things that you would like to do.
Obviously null sec life was not for me and you should not let that stop you from going out there. You should seek good advice from someone who has moved out there and stayed out there. I only replied because the only other posts I saw here were carebears telling you not to do it or asshats telling you that carebears are pussies. You should play the game the way you want and not feel a need to play some way that people tell you to. Eve is a sandbox and there is no end game. Null sec is not end game and it is not a step up from high sec or low sec. It's a different play style. Go out to null if you like and have fun there but don't feel like you have to just because someone told you that's where you go after you get X number of skill points because it's just not the case.
There are plenty of stories, mostly of Goons, of toons that started in this game and moved strait out to null on day one and have never been back. There are also 100+
At the end of the day you will be lied to and mislead a lot and all the reading in the world does not equal the experience of doing it so at some point you'll just have to jump into it and take your lumps
Have fun and fly it like you stole it. |
Korbin Dallaz
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.21 23:16:00 -
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I did think of one other option which is CVA space which is NRDS (Not Red Don't Shoot) space. It is in Providence and directly connected to high sec. I know there are docking fees out there, that's how the help pay for costs. Also you'll have to look into it on your own how you find out who's red and who isn't. But that has the potential to be a nice way to transition into null sec life. |
MYSTERY ALT
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.22 06:49:00 -
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read this post as "making the move from null to high, any suggestions" |
Sjugar
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.22 07:59:00 -
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Keep a jumpclone in empire. Always keep a jumpclone in empire/ |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.23 15:13:00 -
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DelBoy Trades wrote:The replies in this thread made me vomit. I honestly don't see how people can live in Hisec, if the blokes actually found some stones and decided to leave World of Concordecraft don't try and persuade him otherwise. i like making money. i don't like PvP (in EVE). sue me. |
Sjugar
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.23 17:54:00 -
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Daniel Plain wrote:DelBoy Trades wrote:The replies in this thread made me vomit. I honestly don't see how people can live in Hisec, if the blokes actually found some stones and decided to leave World of Concordecraft don't try and persuade him otherwise. i like making money. i don't like PvP (in EVE). sue me. So, what are you doing in high-sec then? 0.0 is more profitable and much easier to avoid your dreaded PvP. Sure, you will lose a ship once in a while, but the massive isk-potential makes up for that big time.
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Gorki Andropov
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2012.04.23 18:44:00 -
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Prepare to become more Bear than you've ever been before. |
drdxie
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.23 19:25:00 -
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Gorki Andropov wrote:Prepare to become more Bear than you've ever been before.
^^^^^^^ this. Besides the Sov bashing and HUGE blobbing there is not much small gang pvp to be had :( I you enjoy the thrill of being in a 200 man blob.. then null is for you, and that maybe happens once a day. Null players are bigger carebears than HS. I have tried 3 different Null corps, and they are all the same. So don't buy all the "required" fleet ships till you been there a while, and get a good pve ship to run anoms and complexes :). Also if you don't have a JF or carrier to move stuff, you will be paying inflated prices on everything. |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.23 20:26:00 -
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Sjugar wrote:Daniel Plain wrote:DelBoy Trades wrote:The replies in this thread made me vomit. I honestly don't see how people can live in Hisec, if the blokes actually found some stones and decided to leave World of Concordecraft don't try and persuade him otherwise. i like making money. i don't like PvP (in EVE). sue me. So, what are you doing in high-sec then? 0.0 is more profitable and much easier to avoid your dreaded PvP. Sure, you will lose a ship once in a while, but the massive isk-potential makes up for that big time.
i seriously doubt that i can get a similar net income in 0.0 without several major drawbacks. |
Sjugar
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.23 20:54:00 -
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Daniel Plain wrote:Sjugar wrote:Daniel Plain wrote:DelBoy Trades wrote:The replies in this thread made me vomit. I honestly don't see how people can live in Hisec, if the blokes actually found some stones and decided to leave World of Concordecraft don't try and persuade him otherwise. i like making money. i don't like PvP (in EVE). sue me. So, what are you doing in high-sec then? 0.0 is more profitable and much easier to avoid your dreaded PvP. Sure, you will lose a ship once in a while, but the massive isk-potential makes up for that big time. i seriously doubt that i can get a similar net income in 0.0 without several major drawbacks. -Missionrunning : more profitable in 0.0 -Mining : more profitable in 0.0 -PI :more profitable in 0.0 -Plexes : more profitable in 0.0 -Incursions : more profitable in 0.0 -Anomalies : all day long -Trade : great opportunities to be had. -Jita : I can't give you that, but hey you don't need Jita, you can do that on an alt while your main sits in 0.0. -Highsec ganking : Ganking Jumpfreighters, Supercarriers and Titans.
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Kisuke Riva
Ares Inc.
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Posted - 2012.04.23 21:04:00 -
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If you have the time along side of CTAs and roaming ganks, so in the end it's always possible ISK/hour * Time to do it. Unless you're a null bear that is... :P |
Fredfredbug4
Kings of Kill EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2012.04.24 01:36:00 -
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You never really explained what you will be doing in nullsec, at least in a nutshell. IGÇÖll try to provide as much information as I can.
First and probably the hardest part of moving into nullsec is getting all of your stuff there in one piece. For best results you will have access to a jump freighter or carrier. Either your own or someone in your corp/alliance. Start in lowsec and then quickly jump into nullsec. If all is smooth you shouldnGÇÖt have too many issues.
You might have to fly your ships into nullsec manually. Try to get a scout, either your own or someone else to peek ahead of whatever will be transporting your assets. If you canGÇÖt get a scout then you will face some problems as the gates bordering low and null are heavily camped. If you must fly blindly do so during hours where the server isnGÇÖt so busy if this is possible. Always plan your route ahead of time and have several detours planned in case you start getting chased. You should also use a fast ship to make safespots, tacticals, and other useful bookmarks beforehand.
As to making money, the options in null are generally more profitable than that in hi-sec. However while you are making money, people will be hunting you down. |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.24 14:56:00 -
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Sjugar wrote: -Missionrunning : more profitable in 0.0 -Mining : more profitable in 0.0 -PI :more profitable in 0.0 -Plexes : more profitable in 0.0 -Incursions : more profitable in 0.0
not a single one of these statements is true if you factor in time loss for hauling stuff to jita and back, losing ships and cargo, CTAs and running for your life from gank fleets. |
Sjugar
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
40
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Posted - 2012.04.24 18:20:00 -
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Daniel Plain wrote:Sjugar wrote: -Missionrunning : more profitable in 0.0 -Mining : more profitable in 0.0 -PI :more profitable in 0.0 -Plexes : more profitable in 0.0 -Incursions : more profitable in 0.0
not a single one of these statements is true if you factor in time loss for hauling stuff to jita and back, losing ships and cargo, CTAs and running for your life from gank fleets. Deep 0.0 a very quiet place:
The volume of high-end minerals is very low. -Mining : more profitable in 0.0 You only bring the finished product better planets and no taxes. -PI :more profitable in 0.0 Again, faction mods are small enough and mostly sold to local wholesaler (did I say there are trade opportunities? -Plexes : more profitable in 0.0
Npc 0.0 machariel blueprints: they don't take much space. And really get the hang of it and the thrill of 0.0 missionrunning and the rewards will be well beyond your expectations. -Missionrunning : more profitable in 0.0
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Korbin Dallaz
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.27 16:37:00 -
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Sjugar wrote:Daniel Plain wrote:DelBoy Trades wrote:The replies in this thread made me vomit. I honestly don't see how people can live in Hisec, if the blokes actually found some stones and decided to leave World of Concordecraft don't try and persuade him otherwise. i like making money. i don't like PvP (in EVE). sue me. So, what are you doing in high-sec then? 0.0 is more profitable and much easier to avoid your dreaded PvP. Sure, you will lose a ship once in a while, but the massive isk-potential makes up for that big time.
So first you say null sec is much easier to avoid PvP then you say sure you'll loose a ship every now and then. Which is it? Making enough isk to compensate for the losses is not the same as avoiding PvP. Some of us just don't like PvP and it has less to do with the lost isk than just not liking that play style.
In null you have to live paranoid and watch local like an OCD paranoid schizoid. For some of us that incessant looking over your shoulder to see who is trying to stick things in your posterior is just not a fun way to spend our free time and all the isk in null won't change that.
I just don't see how you could say null sec is easier to avoid PvP especially when you consider the fact that trying to stay out of combat with other players is still PvP. I've argued that sitting in a wormhole all by yourself spamming D scan every 5 seconds because you have no way of knowing you are alone is still PvP. Even though there may be no one else in system you have no way of knowing that and are therefore playing as if there is. |
Korbin Dallaz
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.27 16:59:00 -
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Sjugar wrote: Deep 0.0 a very quiet place:
The volume of high-end minerals is very low. -Mining : more profitable in 0.0 You only bring the finished product better planets and no taxes. -PI :more profitable in 0.0 Again, faction mods are small enough and mostly sold to local wholesaler (did I say there are trade opportunities? -Plexes : more profitable in 0.0
Npc 0.0 machariel blueprints: they don't take much space. And really get the hang of it and the thrill of 0.0 missionrunning and the rewards will be well beyond your expectations. -Missionrunning : more profitable in 0.0
While what you said here is or can be true it is also not always true in all cases. Mission running in null does pay better per mission than in high sec and the LP is worth more for example. But the time spent avoiding reds and neuts cuts into your isk/hour. Also you can't fly the faction fit Marauders or deadspace fit T3's in null that you would fly in high sec which also cuts into the speed at which you finish missions and therefore isk/hour. On top of that time spent on mandatory CTAs could be spent making isk which further cuts into your isk/hour. Most stuff costs more in null and you will have more losses which both cut into net profits.
Also some of us do not find running missions in 0.0 as thrilling as much as we find it stressful. I'm not sure about you but I don't pay money every month to spend my free time in a game that is stressing me out.
So bottom line if you like PvP then yes null is probably for you but don't go telling people that null is the place to make isk when if you are PvP averse that is most likely not the case. Sure if you like PvP then maybe you are better off living in null than you would be having a JC in high sec for isk making and a JC in null for PvPing. But if you do not like PvP don't go to null as you will have more of it and most likely will wind up worse off financially.
Granted we have just had some major changes to the game which could make it so that the large Alliance will have to make some space in 0.0 safer for miners than high sec so this could all change but speaking historically I would only recommend going to null if you like PvP and are looking for more of it. |
Apolyon I
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
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Posted - 2012.04.27 17:21:00 -
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Korbin Dallaz wrote:Sjugar wrote:Daniel Plain wrote:DelBoy Trades wrote:The replies in this thread made me vomit. I honestly don't see how people can live in Hisec, if the blokes actually found some stones and decided to leave World of Concordecraft don't try and persuade him otherwise. i like making money. i don't like PvP (in EVE). sue me. So, what are you doing in high-sec then? 0.0 is more profitable and much easier to avoid your dreaded PvP. Sure, you will lose a ship once in a while, but the massive isk-potential makes up for that big time. So first you say null sec is much easier to avoid PvP then you say sure you'll loose a ship every now and then. Which is it? Making enough isk to compensate for the losses is not the same as avoiding PvP. Some of us just don't like PvP and it has less to do with the lost isk than just not liking that play style. In null you have to live paranoid and watch local like an OCD paranoid schizoid. For some of us that incessant looking over your shoulder to see who is trying to stick things in your posterior is just not a fun way to spend our free time and all the isk in null won't change that. I just don't see how you could say null sec is easier to avoid PvP especially when you consider the fact that trying to stay out of combat with other players is still PvP. I've argued that sitting in a wormhole all by yourself spamming D scan every 5 seconds because you have no way of knowing you are alone is still PvP. Even though there may be no one else in system you have no way of knowing that and are therefore playing as if there is. cant believe these bears
and they claim NS is safer than HS. bears can say anything that favor them |
Korbin Dallaz
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.27 18:48:00 -
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Apolyon I wrote:. bears can say anything that favor them
What does that mean? |
Sjugar
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.30 09:36:00 -
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Korbin Dallaz wrote:In null you have to live paranoid and watch local like an OCD paranoid schizoid. For some of us that incessant looking over your shoulder to see who is trying to stick things in your posterior is just not a fun way to spend our free time and all the isk in null won't change that. I 0.0 you have intel channels. Especially in deep 0.0 hostile traffic is very rare and you will hear about them 5 jumps before they reach your system.
When they actually do reach your system, you will be in the safety of your pos-shields or station. They might stick around for 15 minutes but then they will get bored. PVP-ers don't often go to deep 0.0 because it's boring.
So in the end you spend 95% of your time mining or doing havens and sanctums and 5% in station or pos.
In high-sec however, you can lose your hulk just for ***** and giggles.
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Zirm
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
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Posted - 2012.05.17 13:11:00 -
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I am a mega nullbear, I was a high sec bear but I like nullsec more, the anom grinding, Ore prospector belts (which have too much high end ratio) are a great way to make isk. The nullbear is nothing without empire, and having a jump capable ship makes your null sec life as easy as living in high sec (the only thing you are afraid of are tornados at hi sec gates), also being deep in null sec "pipes" makes it so that you barely ever see anything but blues :)
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