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loldongs III	Posted - 2008.12.26 09:23:00 - [1]
maralt Minmatar The seers of truth	Posted - 2008.12.26 09:30:00 - [2] Falcons are fine. Teach ppl to fit their ships better and be more fluid in the way they approach combat in eve.....
loldongs III	Posted - 2008.12.26 09:32:00 - [3] Originally by: maralt Falcons are fine. Teach ppl to fit their ships better and be more fluid in the way they approach combat in eve..... Fitting to counter one ship all the time is not fluid.
maralt Minmatar The seers of truth	Posted - 2008.12.26 09:37:00 - [4] Edited by: maralt on 26/12/2008 09:39:31 Originally by: loldongs III Fitting to counter one ship all the time is not fluid. I was not referring to eccm modules i was referring to having a versatile and or mobile gang with the ability to over come most of what eve can throw at them. Originally by: loldongs III This data doesn't really make sense but falcon range would be balanced if it were in line with damps. Arazu has 2 bonused systems the falcon has only 1, although the arazu needs a bonus to damp range tbh.
loldongs III	Posted - 2008.12.26 09:38:00 - [5] Originally by: maralt Originally by: loldongs III Originally by: maralt Falcons are fine. Teach ppl to fit their ships better and be more fluid in the way they approach combat in eve..... Fitting to counter one ship all the time is not fluid. I was not referring to eccm modules i was referring to having a versatile and or mobile gang with the ability to over come most of what eve can throw at them. You mean like more falcons right? If anything approaches a falcon and it isn't stupid it cloaks and moves to a new jamming spot.
maralt Minmatar The seers of truth	Posted - 2008.12.26 09:42:00 - [6] Originally by: loldongs III You mean like more falcons right? nope Originally by: loldongs III If anything approaches a falcon and it isn't stupid it cloaks and moves to a new jamming spot. The option to reposition if summat approaches applies to all ships that can operate at sniper range, so what you gonna do nerf all ships that can operate over 160km?.
Xori Ruscuv	Posted - 2008.12.26 09:43:00 - [7] Yes.
Chobham	Posted - 2008.12.26 09:46:00 - [8] Kinda lame, but instead of nerfing it how about changing the other ones to range bonuses as well? I for one would love to finally have a useful pilgrim.
Xori Ruscuv	Posted - 2008.12.26 09:47:00 - [9] Originally by: Chobham Kinda lame, but instead of nerfing it how about changing the other ones to range bonuses as well? I for one would love to finally have a useful pilgrim. I'd dig a useful Arazu too.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. The Firm.	Posted - 2008.12.26 10:06:00 - [10] Oh christ, not another nerfwhine.

Xori Ruscuv	Posted - 2008.12.26 10:09:00 - [11] Originally by: Malcanis Oh christ, not another nerfwhine. Yes.
Mac Maniac Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.12.26 11:51:00 - [12] As long as you people complaining about the Falcon's ECM refuse to adjust YOUR tactics to allow for ECM usage then you will continue to die. Darwinism at it's finest.
Marius Nervosu Caldari Erebus Innovations	Posted - 2008.12.26 11:56:00 - [13] Yea right. Nerf maybe the only caldari ship left for pvp too after the missile nerf. Or even better remove the race from the game
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. The Firm.	Posted - 2008.12.26 12:11:00 - [14] Listen, I realise this is going to be very had for some of you to understand, but I want you to try real hard. There's a cookie in it for you. YOUR BROKEN SHIP 'A' WILL STILL BE BROKEN EVEN IF YOU BREAK MY SHIP 'F' AS WELL.
Omu Negru Caldari PuPPet MasTers	Posted - 2008.12.26 12:25:00 - [15] Originally by: Malcanis Oh christ, not another nerfwhine. Yes, another punk who is complaining again about Falcons. They will never stop untill falcon will be removed from the game for good. After that they will complain about something else of cource. They are the ppl I will never understand, who moan on forums about everything they think is "overpowered" - a scuse for their incapabilities to ACTUALLY ENJOY THE FREAKIN GAME. Which is btw one of the most ballanced game ever made. period/
Adaera	Posted - 2008.12.26 12:48:00 - [16] Edited by: Adaera on 26/12/2008 12:48:01 The Pilgrim, Arazu and Rapier have uses outside of their respective EWAR. The Falcon doesn't.
Xori Ruscuv Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2008.12.26 13:18:00 - [17] Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 26/12/2008 13:25:05 Quote: The Pilgrim, Arazu and Rapier have uses outside of their respective EWAR. The Falcon doesn't. That is to say: other ewar sucks so bad in comparison that those other ships can't help but have uses outside their respective roles. Even so, the Rapier/Huginn were nerfed badly. Well, I guess tracking disruptors aren't too bad. They have a niche. I'd still rather have ECM. The Curse is only amazing because it has the neut power. You won't catch anyone calling the Pilgrim awesome because of its tracking disruptor bonus.
Beau x	Posted - 2008.12.26 13:28:00 - [18] Why don't you stop crying and fit your ships with ECCM or use cerbs in your gang to combat falcons? Stop thinking you can just go into a fight all guns blazing. There are factors like this which stop fights being determined by just numbers. Now hurry aboard the nerfwagon and get everything that is half decent in this game nerfed.
Xori Ruscuv Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2008.12.26 13:30:00 - [19] Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 26/12/2008 13:30:55 Originally by: Beau x Why don't you stop crying and fit your ships with ECCM or use cerbs in your gang to combat falcons? Better to use ECM drones. My dual ECCM domi rarely gets jammed by a Falcon. But somehow, I get jammed by ECM drones not infrequently.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. The Firm.	Posted - 2008.12.26 14:11:00 - [20] Feel like whining about Falcons? Read this.

Matrix Skye Caldari	Posted - 2008.12.26 14:12:00 - [21] Caldari still have one good PVP ship left. Please nerf it CCP!
Furb Killer Gallente Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2008.12.26 14:16:00 - [22] To all those people saying that falcon is fine because it only has one ewar system: I propose we change the ECM range bonus to a target painter cap usage bonus, something like -5% cap per level. Now it has a bonus to two e-war systems, so it must be awesome, right? --------------------------------------------- Originally by: Neth'Rae Military experts are calling this a troll.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. The Firm.	Posted - 2008.12.26 14:19:00 - [23] Originally by: Furb Killer To all those people saying that falcon is fine because it only has one ewar system: I propose we change the ECM range bonus to a target painter cap usage bonus, something like -5% cap per level. Now it has a bonus to two e-war systems, so it must be awesome, right? Shut up and never speak again. Your God demands it.
maralt Minmatar The seers of truth	Posted - 2008.12.26 14:20:00 - [24] Originally by: Furb Killer To all those people saying that falcon is fine because it only has one ewar system: I propose we change the ECM range bonus to a target painter cap usage bonus, something like -5% cap per level. Now it has a bonus to two e-war systems, so it must be awesome, right? LULZ irrational EMO rage gives me giggles.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. The Firm.	Posted - 2008.12.26 14:23:00 - [25] Originally by: Xori Ruscuv Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 26/12/2008 13:28:08 Quote: The Pilgrim, Arazu and Rapier have uses outside of their respective EWAR. The Falcon doesn't. That is to say: other ewar sucks in comparison so that those other ships can't help but have uses outside their respective roles. Even so, the Rapier/Huginn were nerfed badly (indirectly). Well, I guess tracking disruptors aren't too bad. They have a niche. I'd still rather have ECM. The Curse is only amazing because it has the neut power. You won't catch anyone calling the Pilgrim awesome because of its tracking disruptor bonus. Originally by: Malcanis YOUR BROKEN SHIP 'A' WILL STILL BE BROKEN EVEN IF YOU BREAK MY SHIP 'F' AS WELL. Hell, I just want to see the Falcon made useless to hear the cries You realise that tracking disruptors are easily the 2nd best EWAR, and vs turret ships they're at least as good as ECM, right?
Xori Ruscuv Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2008.12.26 14:28:00 - [26] Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 26/12/2008 14:32:30 Originally by: Malcanis You realise that tracking disruptors are easily the 2nd best EWAR, and vs turret ships they're at least as good as ECM, right? Sure, and in comparison to ECM, they suck. Not as versatile. The Curse is an amazing ship because of its neut bonus. Do YOU realize how many pilots fly their Curse with a shield tank and speed fit lows? Originally by: Malcanis 2nd best "2nd best" doesn't mean a damn thing. It's just the best of the worst. It doesn't mean that it's anywhere near the versatility or power of "the best". ECM is SO MUCH better due to versatility that if it weren't for the godly power of neuts, curse pilots would be whining with the rest. Pilgrim pilots already are whining, I think... now, what do you reckon the reason for that is?
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. The Firm.	Posted - 2008.12.26 14:35:00 - [27] Originally by: Xori Ruscuv Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 26/12/2008 14:32:30 Originally by: Malcanis You realise that tracking disruptors are easily the 2nd best EWAR, and vs turret ships they're at least as good as ECM, right? Sure, and in comparison to ECM, they suck. Not as versatile. The Curse is an amazing ship because of its neut bonus. Do YOU realize how many pilots fly their Curse with a shield tank and speed fit lows? Originally by: Malcanis 2nd best "2nd best" doesn't mean a damn thing. It's just the best of the worst. It doesn't mean that it's anywhere near the versatility or power of "the best". ECM is SO MUCH better due to versatility that if it weren't for the godly power of neuts, curse pilots would be whining with the rest. Pilgrim pilots already are whining, I think... now, what do you reckon the reason for that is? So, again, if you want to bust ECM down to TD utility, what are you proposing to give the rook/falcon to match the capwar bonuses? (I'll take the drone bonuses and 150M^3 drone bay as read, shall I?) PS did you click the linky I posted above...?
Xori Ruscuv Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2008.12.26 14:37:00 - [28] Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 26/12/2008 14:39:24 Originally by: Malcanis you proposing to give the rook/falcon to match the capwar bonuses? (I'll take the drone bonuses and 150M^3 drone bay as read, shall I?) PS did you click the linky I posted above...? I don't give a **** if they nerf ECM. I just want damps to not such enormous amounts of ass. I just like to watch Falcon pilots squirm while we flame them on the forums. (You're doing nicely btw.) Translation: I'm a troll. If you feed me, I WILL grow stronger. BTW, sure, go ahead and have your 150 drone bay. Have more bandwitdh too, for all I care (after all, it's BANDWIDTH that gives you DPS ) You'll be too far away to make use of either, afaik, so what do I care? In conclusion, rabble nerf falcons to uselessness rabble
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. The Firm.	Posted - 2008.12.26 14:58:00 - [29] Originally by: Xori Ruscuv Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 26/12/2008 14:39:24 Originally by: Malcanis you proposing to give the rook/falcon to match the capwar bonuses? (I'll take the drone bonuses and 150M^3 drone bay as read, shall I?) PS did you click the linky I posted above...? I don't give a **** if they nerf ECM. I just want damps to not such enormous amounts of ass. Sigh. And how, my sweet little man, will whining about falcons achieve this? I wholly agree that gallante EW ships need fixing. I thing you're a god damb moron for whining for Caldari EW nerfs to acheive this.
Xori Ruscuv Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2008.12.26 15:05:00 - [30] Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 26/12/2008 15:05:09 Originally by: Malcanis Sigh. And how, my sweet little man, will whining about falcons achieve this? I wholly agree that gallante EW ships need fixing. I thing you're a god damb moron for whining for Caldari EW nerfs to acheive this. Because I'm a troll with a penchant for ****ing off sweet little falcon pilots. I've been doing it for months now. How can I say this any more clearly?



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