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AshenShugar01	Posted - 2008.12.26 13:11:00 - [1] Just a thought really, we VP plexing people get to decide who represents our respective militias. Great stuff, and a good idea to continue tying together plexing and PvE with PvP. However it does seem somewhat empty doesnt it? We plex like mad, then say 'ok, it'll be this person and then ... well, we watch the tournament and go back to plexing
Suboran Gallente Victory Not Vengeance Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.12.26 20:17:00 - [2] perplexing
Sakura Nihil Stimulus Rote Kapelle	Posted - 2008.12.26 21:55:00 - [3] By hard work, you mean the EVE equivalent of watching paint dry. Football? Hell yes.
Kakuremichi	Posted - 2008.12.26 22:03:00 - [4] It would make far more sense if they just let the top killers post, or the ceos of the top few corps, or something along those lines, saves people grinding PvE content to ensure someone who doesn't know their arse from their elbow in PvP but is happy doing the plexes voting in their equally clueless mates.
Ankhesentapemkah	Posted - 2008.12.26 22:38:00 - [5] Just for the people bashing the accomplishment of the top plexers, it takes 10-20 minutes to capture a plex during which you get attacked by massive NPC spawns, and it's not unlikely that the opposing militia and/or some random pirates invade the plex as well. If you're doing well and only stick to plexing (and not chasing enemies around for kills), you can do two plexes per hour, as you have to scan a load of planets and there is no guarantee you'll find a plex in a system. The top plexers have 100-180 plexes in one week. So that is 50-70 hours of work per week. I personally lose about 10-20 million ISK per day in factional warfare due to gatecamps, being waited for on the plex entrance by cloaked pirates or at the station undock, ganks by opposing militia, and random client crashing (which happens a few times per day, which probably my PCs fault, but is **** regardless) and other fancy or not so fancy ways to lose ships and clones. So if we'd say these numbers are representative for all other top plexes, the total this little enterprise will cost a top plexer 150-210 hours plus 210-420 million ISK. I personally make about 5-10 million per hour running missions, so make that 7.5 on average, so that is another 28-56 hours of mission whoring on top to make up for the losses. It would be a disgrace for CCP as well as an insult to the entirety of the Factional Warfare Militias if these people would not receive a medal for their services to the militia. A few loyalty points and faction standing on top of that is nothing compared to the efforts they went through. There are people hunting for plexes on Christmas so they won't lose their top spots... Yes the system might be flawed, but that does not make their efforts any less exceptional. As for the plexers being clueless PVPers and all that, well the plexers I spoke to seem to know people that are experienced PVPers. Which consequentially means that the plexers that work so hard won't even 'win' a tournament place. So another reward is in order. --- NEW MOVIE!
IMinYOURforums Caldari	Posted - 2008.12.27 01:17:00 - [6] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah So if we'd say these numbers are representative for all other top plexes, the total this little enterprise will cost a top plexer 150-210 hours plus 210-420 million ISK. I personally make about 5-10 million per hour running missions, so make that 7.5 on average, so that is another 28-56 hours of mission whoring on top to make up for the losses. Have you considered that you could just be exceptionally bad at pvp yourself and that these numbers are not representative of the majority. I think its **ing comical that you all expect to be given somehting for being ELITE TOP PLEXERS. Your **ing reward is picking who will represent you in the tournament. I can assure you that each match in the tournament will take up in excess of that ammount of time in planing and preparation and at least that much ISK. The prizes you suggest are comical as well; you expect to be awarded the equivelent of the third place prize in the tournament for your alleged hard work, while there will be at least 57 teams of 10 or so pilots that put in an equal if not greater amount of work and ISK and will receive absoloutly nothing? You should be doing this for the betterment of your militia's chances of winning the tournament, not for your personal gain, witch you may have a better understanding if you were in a real alliance. Now, please take the advice of the last person to reply to your drivel and kindly stop posting.
Ankhesentapemkah	Posted - 2008.12.27 01:55:00 - [7] Last time I checked I wasn't asking for anything of significant value, unlike PLEX codes. And how is picking our representatives a reward by itself? If CCP thinks we're important enough to be announced on the forums and dragged onto the stage, a medal to commemorate our efforts on behalf of the militia is not too much to ask in return. That and I think that plexing takes up way more time than alliance tournament participation, after all I don't see people training for 8+ hours a day for 3 weeks straight, including Christmas. --- NEW MOVIE!
Saibin Gias No Trademark Notoriety Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.27 02:18:00 - [8] ARRRRRGGHHHHH Send me your address and I'll mail you a damn medal just please give it a rest or at least don't post every 4 hours saying the same damn thing.
Plumbumber Gallente Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.12.27 02:26:00 - [9] I've done my fair share of both plexing and FW pvp. It takes alot more effort to take the time to go out there and scan down the plexes, and run them, allthe time fighting off pirates, then it does to simply x up for a blob and fly around following orders. Of those involved in factional warfare, it is a very small percentage of people that make a real difference in the capture and defence of systems. These people spend alot of time and effort doing such to keep thier systems from being overrun. It is perfectly resonable to wish for there to be some sort of reward system. I am a decent pvper, but by no means elite, and im not afraid to admit it.. for the good of the gallente militia ive spent alot of time in the past week plexing just to make sure that a small group of buddies doesnt aquire the team captian position and keep it in thier family. If we manage to choose a respectable captian, and do well in the tournament, that is a reward within itself. The participants will earn thier medals, and the plexers who made it possible will fade off into obscurity, with nothing to show for it. IMHO a small something something would make sense, to reward these people for thier hard work. [url=http://gallente.net?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=39095] [/url]
AshenShugar01	Posted - 2008.12.27 11:17:00 - [10] lol No Sakura, the EVE equivalent of watching paint dry is called mining. Plexing can be fun, try running a Major Unrestricted plex in Tama sometime, just dont wander too far from the PC.

Mes Ren No Trademark Notoriety Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.27 14:14:00 - [11] Look, it's pretty simple. If you get to decide the team captain for your militia, use that power to make sure you get someone who will reward your hard efforts if they win the tourney. If that isn't good enough for you .... DON'T GO OUT OF YOUR WAY TO PLEX!!!! If you really wanted to participate in the tournament, you should have formed an alliance and joined the tourney that way. I swear that people can't be happy about anything. It's no wonder CCP had considered not doing tournaments anymore, people can't be greatful for anything. ________________________ No Trademark -- Mes Ren, Mes Builder -- -- CEO --
Ankhesentapemkah	Posted - 2008.12.27 16:39:00 - [12] Just for the hatemail I get, I'm NOT going to participate in the tournament myself, and I will reject any ISK or Plex/GTC if they do get offered as prize. To be honest I never really expected to be the top plexer, and since I'll be very busy next week I don't even count on maintaining that position. There. People might have had the impression that I have been doing this for selfish ends, but actually I am only interested in Factional Warfare getting the recognition it deserves. --- NEW MOVIE!
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2008.12.28 05:14:00 - [13] POSTING IN AN ANGRY THREAD o.o www.siigarikitawa.com ò www.quafeultra.com
AshenShugar01	Posted - 2008.12.28 22:40:00 - [14] Honestly I'm a happy camper. I dont mind plexing and like Ankh I dont want to compete in the Tournament (I'd get my ass handed to me lol) I guess the above is right, we pick the right person for the job and that militia makes the final or something that would be a great reward. I very much appreciate CCP's efforts to bring the Tournament to the FW people and in their trying to pie PvP to PvE more with the plexes.
Mistress Suffering Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2008.12.29 22:08:00 - [15] Don't make excuses. Just show up and play. If you do well in the tournament, then clearly you had every right to be there. If you do badly, then I'm quite sure no one will mind having the chance to shoot you. Either way, tournament matches are fun. Enjoy the opportunity and make the best of it.
McFly C0LDFIRE RUDE Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.30 12:42:00 - [16] Ankh, the reason most of the forum warriors out there flame your threads is because... 1.) ur on the CSM, hence u'll get flamed regardles.... 2.) u have a forum dedicated to FW and a seperate one for CSM 3.) ur posting the same thing in multiple threads for a couple days now 4.) we got it, stop telling us about what CCP should do, YOUR ON THE CSM! Other than that FW Guys if that's ur cup of tea, awesome. Hope the militia's do have a strong showing and politics dont get into it too much. --McFly--
Sakura Nihil Stimulus Rote Kapelle	Posted - 2008.12.31 05:03:00 - [17] Originally by: McFly Ankh, the reason most of the forum warriors out there flame your threads is because... 1.) ur on the CSM, hence u'll get flamed regardles.... 2.) u have a forum dedicated to FW and a seperate one for CSM 3.) ur posting the same thing in multiple threads for a couple days now 4.) we got it, stop telling us about what CCP should do, YOUR ON THE CSM! My selection, bolded. To the poster saying "go try it Sak", I have. I have, and I wanted to gouge my eyes out afterwards. Plexing < PvP blobs < fighting outnumbered against PvP blobs Football? Hell yes.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.02 17:15:00 - [18] I too, demand medals from CCP for being a leet pod pilot. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person

CCP Claw	Posted - 2009.01.07 16:00:00 - [19] Edited by: CCP Claw on 07/01/2009 16:02:10 Quote: actually I am only interested in Factional Warfare getting the recognition it deserves. Maybe we could give all factional militias automatic entry to the tournament or something... But seriously. Factional warfare militias get guaranteed entry to the tournament. Only previous tournament high flyers can claim the same. That's a pretty big bonus right there. If you don't want to commit the time or resources to your plexing to win the competition, then you don't have to. But if you do so, you will have the glory of being named in the top plexers, and the responsibility of picking your team. What more could a factional warfare pilot want than to have the chance and personal ability to alter the course of their militia's destiny so directly?

Unfamed II Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2009.01.08 11:12:00 - [20] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Just for the people bashing the accomplishment of the top plexers, it takes 10-20 minutes to capture a plex during which you get attacked by massive NPC spawns, and it's not unlikely that the opposing militia and/or some random pirates invade the plex as well. This does not seem to be the case when you're plexing, Caldari NPC's don't shoot you, and to me, it looks like you're exploiting the game mechanics a fair bit. Or are you seriously saying that those Caldari NPC's are not supposed to shoot gallente militia members? Taking into account that you are a CSM member, and supposed to know something of the game, I'd say you're not doing much to make the game any better. Of course, it might be so that it never occurred to you that something is wrong when opposing faction npc's leave you alone and mind their own business when you're capturing the militia complex. Care to explain?

XFreedomX	Posted - 2009.01.08 18:02:00 - [21] Edited by: XFreedomX on 08/01/2009 18:03:04 Edited by: XFreedomX on 08/01/2009 18:02:24 Originally by: Unfamed II Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Just for the people bashing the accomplishment of the top plexers, it takes 10-20 minutes to capture a plex during which you get attacked by massive NPC spawns, and it's not unlikely that the opposing militia and/or some random pirates invade the plex as well. This does not seem to be the case when you're plexing, Caldari NPC's don't shoot you, and to me, it looks like you're exploiting the game mechanics a fair bit. Or are you seriously saying that those Caldari NPC's are not supposed to shoot gallente militia members? Taking into account that you are a CSM member, and supposed to know something of the game, I'd say you're not doing much to make the game any better. Of course, it might be so that it never occurred to you that something is wrong when opposing faction npc's leave you alone and mind their own business when you're capturing the militia complex. Care to explain? If your personal standing with the opposing faction (i.e Caldari standing in this case) is above 5.0 then the NPC will not aggress you. If you do not shoot the NPC or do anything to lose standing you can continue to offensive plex without consiquence. This has been brought up before to the DEV team and was told this is by designed.
Ankhesentapemkah	Posted - 2009.01.08 18:58:00 - [22] Originally by: CCP Claw Edited by: CCP Claw on 07/01/2009 16:02:10 Quote: actually I am only interested in Factional Warfare getting the recognition it deserves. Maybe we could give all factional militias automatic entry to the tournament or something... But seriously. Factional warfare militias get guaranteed entry to the tournament. Only previous tournament high flyers can claim the same. That's a pretty big bonus right there. If you don't want to commit the time or resources to your plexing to win the competition, then you don't have to. But if you do so, you will have the glory of being named in the top plexers, and the responsibility of picking your team. What more could a factional warfare pilot want than to have the chance and personal ability to alter the course of their militia's destiny so directly? As I said, all I and some others want is a medal. Noone would remember who the people were that were plexing on Chrismas a year for now. I personally ruined my entire holiday for this and I'm sure that the other top plexers were doing the same. At least when I saw who was online 10+ hours a day at christmas and new years eve and the rest of the past three weeks. We are not affected by this alliance tournament, none of the top plexers are going to be in the teams and the captains were already decided weeks ago giving us only one choice. We have nothing to say about it. How much trouble is it for you to give us a medal? They were handed out for less (Kourmonen), so why not give us one now? --- NEW MOVIE!
Hesod Adee KDS Navy	Posted - 2009.01.09 02:32:00 - [23] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah I personally lose about 10-20 million ISK per day in factional warfare That isn't what the quafe killboard says. It shows you as having lost 8 T1 frigates, 3 pods since you joined FW. Nothing else. Actually, how do you manage to lose frigates in FW when you don't stick around for a fight ? Quote: It would be a disgrace for CCP as well as an insult to the entirety of the Factional Warfare Militias if these people would not receive a medal for their services to the militia. A few loyalty points and faction standing on top of that is nothing compared to the efforts they went through. There are people hunting for plexes on Christmas so they won't lose their top spots... Is that why you posted on the quafe forums saying you won't vote for the captain until you get your medal. And you claim you have most of the other top plexers on board with you, without naming them. And why do you think you deserve more rewards now ? You knew what you would be getting before you started plexing. So you did the work, and are now demanding more rewards ? Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah I personally ruined my entire holiday for this You knew the rewards sucked and you still ruined your holiday ? Are you stupid or are you lying ? ---------------------------------------------- I support skill queues
Hesod Adee KDS Navy	Posted - 2009.01.09 02:33:00 - [24] Edited by: Hesod Adee on 09/01/2009 02:33:26 Originally by: XFreedomX If your personal standing with the opposing faction (i.e Caldari standing in this case) is above 5.0 then the NPC will not aggress you. If you do not shoot the NPC or do anything to lose standing you can continue to offensive plex without consiquence. This has been brought up before to the DEV team and was told this is by designed. Care to prove this with a link to the devs comment ? ---------------------------------------------- I support skill queues
XFreedomX	Posted - 2009.01.09 04:07:00 - [25] Originally by: Hesod Adee Edited by: Hesod Adee on 09/01/2009 02:33:26 Originally by: XFreedomX If your personal standing with the opposing faction (i.e Caldari standing in this case) is above 5.0 then the NPC will not aggress you. If you do not shoot the NPC or do anything to lose standing you can continue to offensive plex without consiquence. This has been brought up before to the DEV team and was told this is by designed. Care to prove this with a link to the devs comment ? No, ask the DEV yourself. We've beaten this horse to death when NEUTRAL's were using this to kill off militia in defensive plex in the beginning of FW. The storyline response from memory is that the militia navy commanders are scared to death of engaging pod pilot and would rather not if there is any excuse not to or some kinda lame excuse like that.
Ankhesentapemkah	Posted - 2009.01.09 12:27:00 - [26] Hesod, I'm not going to bother with your non-constructive trolling. I've already answered your dribble on the QuafeUltra forum and you're just repeating the same old stuff here. --- NEW MOVIE!
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club Otherworld Empire Productions	Posted - 2009.01.09 12:43:00 - [27] they should give you -1 medal so if you ever do get one it gets cancelled out for whining
Snake O'Donell	Posted - 2009.01.09 15:31:00 - [28] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 09/01/2009 12:44:08 Hesod, I'm not going to bother with your non-constructive trolling. I've already answered your dribble on the QuafeUltra forum and you're just repeating the same old stuff here. You should show some respect and be grateful for those that worked their behinds off to capture plexes and support the militia's team for the alliance tournament without even getting the chance to participate in the tournament themselves. As for your 'you just want MORE rewards' comment, that would imply there is a reward for us in the first place, which there is not. The teams are already decided and with the exception of Sasawong, none of the top plexers I spoke to are going to be in. We all did long, hard, boring hours plexing so you guys can have some fun in the tournament, and what do we get? People spitting in our face and trolling us when we are unhappy and ask for a TOKEN REWARD with no ISK value whatsoever for all the trouble we went through. I think the problem that people have with you asking for a reward is that you are a CSM. The last time I checked, CSM's were supposed to represent the players. This thread just seems like you are whining about how you are aren't getting any rewards. As a CSM you already get more rewards than any other player in the EVE universe(free trips to Iceland anyone?). Maybe if you weren't the top plexer in the militia, and maybe if you didn't get a free ride on the offensive plexes people would take you seriously. There are people out there that actually get shot at by the NPC's while plexing, do you see them asking for a reward?
Hesod Adee KDS Navy	Posted - 2009.01.09 20:27:00 - [29] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 09/01/2009 12:44:08 Hesod, I'm not going to bother with your non-constructive trolling. I've already answered your dribble on the QuafeUltra forum and you're just repeating the same old stuff here. It must be nice if your able to deal with annoying questions by just declaring the person asking them a troll. But my questions are serious. Though since you have proven that you were plexing over Christmas, I do have to reword my question a bit: Were you stupid enough to ruin your holiday plans with plexing, or are you lying about having plans in the first place ? If you didn't have any plans, your holiday can't of been ruined. Quote: You should show some respect and be grateful for those that worked their behinds off to capture plexes and support the militia's team for the alliance tournament without even getting the chance to participate in the tournament themselves. How does the work you put in make any difference about the militias getting into FW beyond putting you in a position to help decide who gets to go, instead of another militia member getting to decide ? Quote: As for your 'you just want MORE rewards' comment, that would imply there is a reward for us in the first place, which there is not. The reward would be the rank medal you already get. If you were already at max rank, why did you continue plexing if you hated plexing and felt the rewards were insufficient ? I'll just take your word on this. Quote: The teams are already decided and with the exception of Sasawong, none of the top plexers I spoke to are going to be in. Because they want the teams to have a chance of winning, meaning they pick the better PvP players. Quote: We all did long, hard, boring hours plexing so you guys can have some fun in the tournament, and what do we get? People who don't like your plan to boycott the voting, attempting to keep other people out just so you can get your medal. Quote: People spitting in our face and trolling us when we are unhappy and ask for a TOKEN REWARD with no ISK value whatsoever for all the trouble we went through. What requirements do you want for people to qualify for this medal ? ---------------------------------------------- I support skill queues
Ankhesentapemkah	Posted - 2009.01.09 23:24:00 - [30] Originally by: Snake O'Donell I think the problem that people have with you asking for a reward is that you are a CSM. The last time I checked, CSM's were supposed to represent the players. This thread just seems like you are whining about how you are aren't getting any rewards. As a CSM you already get more rewards than any other player in the EVE universe(free trips to Iceland anyone?). Maybe if you weren't the top plexer in the militia, and maybe if you didn't get a free ride on the offensive plexes people would take you seriously. There are people out there that actually get shot at by the NPC's while plexing, do you see them asking for a reward? I'm insulted that you call the CSM trip a "Free trip to Iceland", as if it is some kind of vacation. It is not, it's being stuffed in a meeting room all day, discussing dozens of issues, going back to the hotel totally exhausted, and starting again early the next day. You have no idea how intense and hard the work is that we do there, and how much of our free time we sacrifice for the CSM. Recently I set up a whole wiki and am working hard on wikify-ing all the issues of the past CSM term, while still writing documents about new issues the players propose. As for "free rides" to plexes, almost all of the top plexers are defensive plexers, and they do not have the NPCs shooting at them either, have they? And don't even get me started about the Minmatar being able to solo speedtank all Amarr plexes in a T1 frig, also rendering the NPCs irrelevant.



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