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Vince Snetterton
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
59
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Posted - 2012.04.13 23:53:00 -
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Minnie T2 BC's are close to tier 3 BS's, Amarr CS's are already lower.
Of course everything has been said, but the screaming will grow louder in the coming months as the stockpiles dwindle and Hulkageddon kicks in. Oh, and for all you people saying "the market will adjust", (which it will), just how long does it take to turn a PvP/mission char into an effective mining char, especially if the char is spec'ed for perception/willpower? Further, how many PvP/mission chars WILL switch over?
The T2 BPO owners are very happy now, and will be even happier in the near future.
Maelstrom Jita average sell 30 days ago = 153M Maelstrom Jita average sell today = 204M, high of 222M
Sleipnir Jita average sell 30 days ago = 231M Sleipnir Jita average sell today = 242 M
Abaddon Jita average sell 30 days ago = 187M Abaddon Jita average sell today = 248M, high of 251
Absolution Jita average sell 30 days ago = 202M Absolution Jita average sell today = 210 M
Not even going to bother with the Gallente and Caldari.
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Hemmo Paskiainen
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
319
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Posted - 2012.04.13 23:55:00 -
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whats the insurance on a bs & a commandschip?
a command shio bpo can max produce 20ish ships a month.
CCP FIX BLACK OPS FFS |

Nub Sauce
State War Academy Caldari State
38
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Posted - 2012.04.13 23:57:00 -
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Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:whats the insurance on a bs & a commandschip?
a command shio bpo can max produce 20ish ships a month.
You can't run copies of T2 BPOs then use those to produce faster? |

Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
212
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Posted - 2012.04.13 23:58:00 -
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I'll never go back to mining, not done that for years.
I'd find it too boring, I don't play MMOs to fall asleep at the keyboard. |

Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
760
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Posted - 2012.04.13 23:59:00 -
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It's not the T2 BPO owners that are happy, it's inventors.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |

Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
760
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Posted - 2012.04.14 00:00:00 -
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Nub Sauce wrote:Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:whats the insurance on a bs & a commandschip?
a command shio bpo can max produce 20ish ships a month.
You can't run copies of T2 BPOs then use those to produce faster?
No, that was nerfed long ago.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6075
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Posted - 2012.04.14 00:08:00 -
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Nub Sauce wrote:You can't run copies of T2 BPOs then use those to produce faster? With the copy times on those BPOs, no GÇö all that would do is to massively slow down the production and make it cost more.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |

Vince Snetterton
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
59
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Posted - 2012.04.14 00:21:00 -
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Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:whats the insurance on a bs & a commandschip?
a command shio bpo can max produce 20ish ships a month.
Taking the example of the Sleipnir:
Assume BPO of ME9 (1% waste), PE 19. Mfg time at a station (though I have not calculated profit if you take the 10% mineral hit and mfg at POS with increased mfg time) is 1 day, 4, hrs, 48 minutes = 1.2 days = 25 Sleipnirs/month. Approx 900 were sold in the past 30 days.
At ME 9, using current Jita sell prices, mfg costs, including Cyclone and R.A.M. is 215,330, 618 As stated, average sell price today was 242, 442, 910 in Jita. That is a profit of 27,112, 292 / ship. Assuming the T2 owner can sell all 25 into the market of 900 sold in month, that is profit of 677,8097.300 for one mfg slot. That mfg slot of course has zero invention required, zero blueprint copying required. That is not too shabby.
And that number is sure going up as more and more BS pilots swap out for command ship, assuming they have the skills. |

Mr M
Agony Unleashed
176
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Posted - 2012.04.14 00:21:00 -
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Looking at the mineral prices I'd say it's the miners that are happy now, only difference is that you have to think and keep an eye on local.
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Vince Snetterton
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
59
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Posted - 2012.04.14 00:32:00 -
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Mr M wrote:Looking at the mineral prices I'd say it's the miners that are happy now, only difference is that you have to think and keep an eye on local.
With the increased amount of potential profit, there are more miners competing for limited rocks. Remember, the respawns are at static times. Also, the increased amount of miners, also known as bait fish, attracts more sharks, also known as gankers. And yes, I am sure no known ganker will swap out his Catalyst or Tornado for a covops and go afk in a system. Exhumer pilots will CERTAINLY risk their boats on the off chance the known ganker is indeed afk, not lurking.
Plus we have this little event known as Hulkageddon starting in 3 weeks.
It will be all peaches and cream for miners in high sec. |

Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
123
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Posted - 2012.04.14 00:43:00 -
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Avoid the Damnation, they suck. Only 200K EHP and 4 tracking disruptors for crowd control. They are useless. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg-_HeVNYOk
Save Derpy! |

Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
579
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Posted - 2012.04.14 00:56:00 -
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N I G H T H A W K - the only non primary command ship. Suck it, blue.
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Dbars Grinding
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
448
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Posted - 2012.04.14 02:50:00 -
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mining will still be the lowest income in the game. guy makes 100mil mining only to see that the combat ship he wants to buy has risen to 100mil. i dont understand people saying there will be more miners. Maybe if everything was the same price it was 3 months ago. I have more space likes than you.-á |

Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
661
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Posted - 2012.04.14 02:52:00 -
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Interestingly, Faction and T2 ships and modules are not raising in price as fast as regular ones.
My guess would be since their price comes mostly from the semi-rarity (and moon goo for T2), the mineral price flux has less effect than T1 stuff. |

Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
662
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Posted - 2012.04.14 02:56:00 -
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Vince Snetterton wrote:Mr M wrote:Looking at the mineral prices I'd say it's the miners that are happy now, only difference is that you have to think and keep an eye on local. With the increased amount of potential profit, there are more miners competing for limited rocks. Remember, the respawns are at static times. Also, the increased amount of miners, also known as bait fish, attracts more sharks, also known as gankers. And yes, I am sure no known ganker will swap out his Catalyst or Tornado for a covops and go afk in a system. Exhumer pilots will CERTAINLY risk their boats on the off chance the known ganker is indeed afk, not lurking. Plus we have this little event known as Hulkageddon starting in 3 weeks. It will be all peaches and cream for miners in high sec. I've mined on and off for 2 years, through Hulkaggedons, and not once have been ganked (in a mining ship).
Even mined Gallente ice when Goons had their interdiction.
Mining is safer than HS mission running if you don't mind putting in a little effort. |

Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
194
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Posted - 2012.04.14 03:03:00 -
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NO surprise.
TRaders have been buying up all the minerals and holding them driving up the prices. Now if you supress the miners to prevent them from stabilizing the market (Hulkeggon) Then you end up with what we have now.
The builders and the few miners that are selling are just riding the train.
Prices will continue to go up till the traders decide to start selling again.
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Skydell
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
210
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Posted - 2012.04.14 05:54:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:Interestingly, Faction and T2 ships and modules are not raising in price as fast as regular ones.
My guess would be since their price comes mostly from the semi-rarity (and moon goo for T2), the mineral price flux has less effect than T1 stuff.
It stands to reason. T2 Battleships could spike but 30 mill on a 750 mill ship, who cares? Most T2 are cruiser class and even at 200% on thier T1 hull its only making 5 or 6 mill difference to the 120-200 mill ship. Where there is no BPO, most of the cost is in the 50% waste base of the blueprint and T2 parts tied to that. For Amarr the largest is Tungsten Carbide.
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Endeavour Starfleet
797
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Posted - 2012.04.14 05:56:00 -
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The solution to this is massive Hull HP increase for mining craft. Not Armor not shield HULL!
Remove the alpha advantage gankers have and people will mine again. |

Skydell
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
210
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Posted - 2012.04.14 06:16:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:The solution to this is massive Hull HP increase for mining craft. Not Armor not shield HULL!
Remove the alpha advantage gankers have and people will mine again.
Or a powergrid role bonus for Shield extenders. |

Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
58
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Posted - 2012.04.14 08:12:00 -
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On a barely related note i figure transporting ships is something i need orca for so i did click industry tab on my skills after year or two..realization of that give me awesome feeling for split second. |

Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.04.14 08:28:00 -
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Sasha Azala wrote:I'd find it too boring, I don't play MMOs to fall asleep at the keyboard.
Missions aren't boring as hell? Obviously, you don't play EVE much. |

Endeavour Starfleet
797
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Posted - 2012.04.14 08:32:00 -
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Skydell wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:The solution to this is massive Hull HP increase for mining craft. Not Armor not shield HULL!
Remove the alpha advantage gankers have and people will mine again. Or a powergrid role bonus for Shield extenders.
Possible but that raises other issues. Also it should cost you for having alpha prevention. And having to fit a DCU to have that protection is the best cost.
I think a massive structure HP buff has the narrow goal of preventing easy ganks while still providing a reason to attack them. Hull damage is a PITA to fix due to slow and low repair rates. And encourages mining groups to have a Hull rep BS close at hand for field repairs.
Solves issues, Encourages group play. Please do it CCP! |

Akrasjel Lanate
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
701
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Posted - 2012.04.14 09:06:00 -
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Wait till prices will stabilize sometime after the expansion. |

Degren
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
118
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Posted - 2012.04.14 09:12:00 -
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Dbars Grinding wrote:mining will still be the lowest income in the game. guy makes 100mil mining only to see that the combat ship he wants to buy has risen to 100mil. i dont understand people saying there will be more miners. Maybe if everything was the same price it 3 months ago. At this point i log on to see ship prices and think about going to pvp then loololol and log off. Ill just fly more frigs and cruisers.
Because as the price of minerals goes up, the amount of isk/hour you make from mining exceeds that of the isk/hour you get from other sources.
Why do people keep asking this question? Is it that hard to figure out? |

bldyannoyed
Estrale Frontiers Project Wildfire
25
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Posted - 2012.04.14 10:07:00 -
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Degren wrote:Dbars Grinding wrote:mining will still be the lowest income in the game. guy makes 100mil mining only to see that the combat ship he wants to buy has risen to 100mil. i dont understand people saying there will be more miners. Maybe if everything was the same price it 3 months ago. At this point i log on to see ship prices and think about going to pvp then loololol and log off. Ill just fly more frigs and cruisers. Because as the price of minerals goes up, the amount of isk/hour you make from mining exceeds that of the isk/hour you get from other sources. Why do people keep asking this question? Is it that hard to figure out?
You're both wrong really.
Mining is only getting more profitable relative to isk faucets which are, as result of inflation, becoming less valuable.
However, as any increase in mining isk/hour can only happen as a direct result of that inflation, the amount of time you must spend mining in order to pay for something is not reduced. The more you make from mining the more you must pay for things.
Ofc mining may well end up being the most profitable profession, but even if you could make a billion isk/hour mining it would still take you the same amout of time to save up and buy a battleship as it does now because that battleship will cost 10 billion isk. |

Patri Andari
Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
77
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Posted - 2012.04.14 10:12:00 -
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bldyannoyed wrote:Degren wrote:Dbars Grinding wrote:mining will still be the lowest income in the game. guy makes 100mil mining only to see that the combat ship he wants to buy has risen to 100mil. i dont understand people saying there will be more miners. Maybe if everything was the same price it 3 months ago. At this point i log on to see ship prices and think about going to pvp then loololol and log off. Ill just fly more frigs and cruisers. Because as the price of minerals goes up, the amount of isk/hour you make from mining exceeds that of the isk/hour you get from other sources. Why do people keep asking this question? Is it that hard to figure out? You're both wrong really. Mining is only getting more profitable relative to isk faucets which are, as result of inflation, becoming less valuable. However, as any increase in mining isk/hour can only happen as a direct result of that inflation, the amount of time you must spend mining in order to pay for something is not reduced. The more you make from mining the more you must pay for things. Ofc mining may well end up being the most profitable profession, but even if you could make a billion isk/hour mining it would still take you the same amout of time to save up and buy a battleship as it does now because that battleship will cost 10 billion isk.
Unless the minerals you mine are free and you use them to build the battleship and sell it!
Patri
Miners! Make Moar Isks Nao! |

Degren
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
118
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Posted - 2012.04.14 10:22:00 -
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bldyannoyed wrote:Degren wrote:Dbars Grinding wrote:mining will still be the lowest income in the game. guy makes 100mil mining only to see that the combat ship he wants to buy has risen to 100mil. i dont understand people saying there will be more miners. Maybe if everything was the same price it 3 months ago. At this point i log on to see ship prices and think about going to pvp then loololol and log off. Ill just fly more frigs and cruisers. Because as the price of minerals goes up, the amount of isk/hour you make from mining exceeds that of the isk/hour you get from other sources. Why do people keep asking this question? Is it that hard to figure out? You're both wrong really. Mining is only getting more profitable relative to isk faucets which are, as result of inflation, becoming less valuable. However, as any increase in mining isk/hour can only happen as a direct result of that inflation, the amount of time you must spend mining in order to pay for something is not reduced. The more you make from mining the more you must pay for things. Ofc mining may well end up being the most profitable profession, but even if you could make a billion isk/hour mining it would still take you the same amout of time to save up and buy a battleship as it does now because that battleship will cost 10 billion isk.
In no way does that make what I said wrong. |

Spy 21
Lonetrek Exploration and Salvage
43
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Posted - 2012.04.14 13:01:00 -
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bldyannoyed wrote:[quote=Degren][quote=Dbars Grinding]
Ofc mining may well end up being the most profitable profession, but even if you could make a billion isk/hour mining it would still take you the same amout of time to save up and buy a battleship as it does now because that battleship will cost 10 billion isk.
But miners aren't generally needing to buy Battleships. Or any ships at all very often as long as they are smart/lucky enough to avoid occasional ganks.
If high sec gets too 'hot' then the people that really love to mine need to be taking their characters and skill to Null Sec where mining can be done in a managed risk environment.
S "The next time airport security tells you to put your hands over your head and hold that vulnerable position for seven seconds, ask yourself: Is this the posture of a free man?" |

Vince Snetterton
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
59
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Posted - 2012.04.14 16:31:00 -
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Spy 21 wrote:bldyannoyed wrote:[quote=Degren][quote=Dbars Grinding]
Ofc mining may well end up being the most profitable profession, but even if you could make a billion isk/hour mining it would still take you the same amout of time to save up and buy a battleship as it does now because that battleship will cost 10 billion isk. But miners aren't generally needing to buy Battleships. Or any ships at all very often as long as they are smart/lucky enough to avoid occasional ganks. If high sec gets too 'hot' then the people that really love to mine need to be taking their characters and skill to Null Sec where mining can be done in a managed risk environment. S
Ssshhh...you should not be saying that "null sec/ managed risk environment "too loudly. The anti-high sec zealots will get angry and descend upon this thread with self-righteous fury. Of course, those that have mined in a null sec environment, with its intel channels, and bubbled to hell gates to dead end systems know that null sec is vastly safer to mine in that high sec, but we can't upset all the propagandists that lurk on these forums. |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1519
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Posted - 2012.04.14 16:43:00 -
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A lot of people think in very black and white terms I see.
Quote:What is the point of making more ISK per hour if I just pay more when I buy a ship?
That all depends on how often you need to buy a new ship now doesn't it? 
Unless your average miner is needing to replace their gear every couple of days they come out very much ahead.
Use your heads people. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
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