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Masikari State War Academy Caldari State 8	Posted - 2012.04.14 00:17:00 - [1] - Quote Looking through the forums and trade-hub prices it's no lie that things are getting ridiculously expensive! Even tho I have enjoyed ganking the odd miner, I'm starting to hope that this breed of player begin mining their little socks off to help the market with minerals. Also, getting rid of drone-poo will make minerals even rarer. And we have Hulkageddon to go yet. I'm curious to know if the gank-bears are starting to maybe feel a glimmer of concern? Or if anyone is for that matter? I'm kinda glad to be a WH dweller at this moment in time. The Drake is almost as expensive as the Raven was not too long ago! Thoughts? Flames? Trolls? Go!
T' Elk The Drunken Empire Fatal Ascension 352	Posted - 2012.04.14 00:18:00 - [2] - Quote No. ~Badposter since FOOOOREEEEEVAAAAAR~ // Inferno is coming // The Beard is Back, Ladies and Gents!
Elzon1 Shadow Boys Corp Bloodbound. 21	Posted - 2012.04.14 00:25:00 - [3] - Quote Miner clone = 200 kg 1 kg = 35.2739619 ounces 200 kg = 7,054.79 ounces 1 ounce of gold = $1,657.38 7,054.79 ounces of gold = $11,692,467.85 I doubt it
Masikari State War Academy Caldari State 8	Posted - 2012.04.14 00:30:00 - [4] - Quote Elzon1 wrote: Miner clone = 200 kg Dat's one heavy sonovvabee-atch!!
AFK Hauler State War Academy Caldari State 26	Posted - 2012.04.14 00:39:00 - [5] - Quote Masikari wrote: Elzon1 wrote: Miner clone = 200 kg Dat's one heavy sonovvabee-atch!! Not much moving around as the asteroid doesn't speed tank... yet. Tends to add on the extra carbon to increase said worth.
T-B0NE Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 17	Posted - 2012.04.14 00:41:00 - [6] - Quote It's a great time to be a pirate. GÇ£Death and destruction are necessary to the health of the world, and therefore as natural, and lovable, as birth and life. Only priests and born cowards moan and weep over dying. Brave men face it with approving nonchalance." - Ragnar Redbeard
Masikari State War Academy Caldari State 8	Posted - 2012.04.14 00:47:00 - [7] - Quote T-B0NE wrote: It's a great time to be a pirate. Hmmmm... more expensive ships = MOAR tears when they get blown up. Why didn't I look at it that way? Think I will get back into my Thrasher
Aqriue Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 543	Posted - 2012.04.14 01:19:00 - [8] - Quote Masikari wrote: Hmmmm... more expensive ships = MOAR tears when they get blown up. Why didn't I look at it that way? Think I will get back into my Thrasher First step to admiting you have a problem. You are risk adverse, you fly in highsec which CONCORD is unbiasedly guarding you just as much as the hulk and Mack pilots (until you strike). Good for you. Nothing like saying you won't risk something expensive, it just has to hit the wallet with the least amount of loss. Its ok the other guy is probably going to lose a Mack or Hulk, so long as its not you. Lets not forget "Don't fly what you cannot afford to lose" and "Poorly Designed ships" go great with "Destroyers got a buff, but mining vessels don't need them".
EVE Stig Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 100	Posted - 2012.04.14 01:59:00 - [9] - Quote Aqriue wrote: Masikari wrote: Hmmmm... more expensive ships = MOAR tears when they get blown up. Why didn't I look at it that way? Think I will get back into my Thrasher First step to admiting you have a problem. You are risk adverse, you fly in highsec which CONCORD is unbiasedly guarding you just as much as the hulk and Mack pilots (until you strike). Good for you. Nothing like saying you won't risk something expensive, it just has to hit the wallet with the least amount of loss. Its ok the other guy is probably going to lose a Mack or Hulk, so long as its not you. Lets not forget "Don't fly what you cannot afford to lose" and "Poorly Designed ships" go great with "Destroyers got a buff, but mining vessels don't need them". I have to agree. Gankers are the ironically the biggest risk averse carebears in EVE "Some say that he is actually dead, but the Grim Reaper is too afraid to tell him." "Some say he is the 3rd member of Daft Punk and he did the vocals of "Technologic" song. All we know is,he's called EVE Stig"!
T-B0NE Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 19	Posted - 2012.04.14 02:13:00 - [10] - Quote EVE Stig wrote: I have to agree. Gankers are the ironically the biggest risk averse carebears in EVE Gankin no fun if you know you're probably gonna end up being the one that gets ganked, after all what do predators fear, bigger predators. GÇ£Death and destruction are necessary to the health of the world, and therefore as natural, and lovable, as birth and life. Only priests and born cowards moan and weep over dying. Brave men face it with approving nonchalance." - Ragnar Redbeard

Marcus Ichiro Rust Corp 7	Posted - 2012.04.14 02:17:00 - [11] - Quote Masikari wrote: T-B0NE wrote: It's a great time to be a pirate. Hmmmm... more expensive ships = MOAR tears when they get blown up. Why didn't I look at it that way? Think I will get back into my Thrasher Not really. More expensive ships means that mining is more profitable yet hulk/mack ganking is more expensive. Killing all the worthless botters is good and all, but remember you're only making the ones that aren't stupid enough to get ganked even richer.
namron 7 1-800-FUBAR 47	Posted - 2012.04.14 02:21:00 - [12] - Quote i intend to have a dozen hulk pilots and sit outside caldari 4-4 and demand loudy in local that kernite belts need to be permanently in Jita. That should work? Thanks for the help
EVE Stig Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 102	Posted - 2012.04.14 02:23:00 - [13] - Quote T-B0NE wrote: EVE Stig wrote: I have to agree. Gankers are the ironically the biggest risk averse carebears in EVE Gankin no fun if you know you're probably gonna end up being the one that gets ganked, after all what do predators fear, bigger predators. they seem to fear ccp actually making their profession hard more than anything for all their cries of how leet they are youd think theyd WANT it harder "Some say that he is actually dead, but the Grim Reaper is too afraid to tell him." "Some say he is the 3rd member of Daft Punk and he did the vocals of "Technologic" song. All we know is,he's called EVE Stig"!
Corina Jarr Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built 661	Posted - 2012.04.14 02:30:00 - [14] - Quote Elzon1 wrote: Miner clone = 200 kg 1 kg = 35.2739619 ounces 200 kg = 7,054.79 ounces 1 ounce of gold = $1,657.38 7,054.79 ounces of gold = $11,692,467.85 I doubt it Problem with your math. An ounce of gold does not weigh an ounce. Anyway, prices will likely drop significantly post Inferno changes, when people dump their hoarded minerals.
Simetraz State War Academy Caldari State 193	Posted - 2012.04.14 02:32:00 - [15] - Quote Actually welcome to real world economics. I have serious suspicions that this is not a supply versus demand Issue but rather market manipulation. OMG there going to nerf A prices jump at just the news. No changes have come into effect yet but the market explodes. EVE is no longer a supply versus demand economy but rather it has turned into what the RL economy really is which is speculation economics.
non judgement Without Fear Flying Burning Ships Alliance 763	Posted - 2012.04.14 02:33:00 - [16] - Quote People can't have fun in a game unless they hold some kind of kill other players event. Even if they have to sink down to the sad level of shooting something that can't defend itself. You'd think shooting fish in a barrel would get boring after a while. But no! 5 hulkageddons now. The people who gank industrial/mining ships are the ones who don't care about how much it takes to build a ship. But will probably scream the loudest when their favourite ship becomes more expensive. I sorta think industrial people will really like the fact that ships are more expensive now. If the people who build the ships are the same ones who mine the minerals, they'll love this. As long as they aren't losing too much when/if they get ganked. Should be good.
Corina Jarr Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built 661	Posted - 2012.04.14 02:36:00 - [17] - Quote Simetraz wrote: Actually welcome to real world economics. I have serious suspicions that this is not a supply versus demand Issue but rather market manipulation. OMG there going to nerf A prices jump at just the news. No changes have come into effect yet but the market explodes. EVE is no longer a supply versus demand economy but rather it has turned into what the RL economy really is which is speculation economics. Half correct. It still is supply and demand ()with a mix of trying to make a profit sprinkled in). Its just that demand has increased due to speculation.
Malamber Nordic Innovations BLACK-MARK 7	Posted - 2012.04.14 02:38:00 - [18] - Quote Corina Jarr wrote: Problem with your math. An ounce of gold does not weigh an ounce.. Curious how much you think an ounce of gold actually weighs...
Corina Jarr Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built 661	Posted - 2012.04.14 02:41:00 - [19] - Quote Malamber wrote: Corina Jarr wrote: Problem with your math. An ounce of gold does not weigh an ounce.. Curious how much you think an ounce of gold actually weighs... About 1.09 ounces.
Karl Hobb Imperial Margarine 95	Posted - 2012.04.14 02:41:00 - [20] - Quote Malamber wrote: Corina Jarr wrote: Problem with your math. An ounce of gold does not weigh an ounce.. Curious how much you think an ounce of gold actually weighs... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_ounce "Fun fact: carebears are not necessary for the game to function." --áTippia

T-B0NE Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 21	Posted - 2012.04.14 02:46:00 - [21] - Quote EVE Stig wrote: they seem to fear ccp actually making their profession hard more than anything for all their cries of how leet they are youd think theyd WANT it harder When a predator hungers it will naturally select the prey that requires the least expended energy for the most satisfaction in the kill, unless it has something to prove, or rabid. GÇ£Death and destruction are necessary to the health of the world, and therefore as natural, and lovable, as birth and life. Only priests and born cowards moan and weep over dying. Brave men face it with approving nonchalance." - Ragnar Redbeard
Malamber Nordic Innovations BLACK-MARK 7	Posted - 2012.04.14 02:46:00 - [22] - Quote Corina Jarr wrote: Malamber wrote: Corina Jarr wrote: Problem with your math. An ounce of gold does not weigh an ounce.. Curious how much you think an ounce of gold actually weighs... About 1.09 ounces. Let me clarify... An ounce of gold (for purposes of financial value) is almost always (if not always) measured in troy ounces, which are not identical to the commonly used ounce. I admit to being a little tongue-in-cheek with my reply, and though I learned something new (that precious metals are weighed in troy ounces), this is still a different weight than an ounce =p
Corina Jarr Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built 661	Posted - 2012.04.14 02:50:00 - [23] - Quote Malamber wrote: Corina Jarr wrote: Malamber wrote: Corina Jarr wrote: Problem with your math. An ounce of gold does not weigh an ounce.. Curious how much you think an ounce of gold actually weighs... About 1.09 ounces. Let me clarify... An ounce of gold (for purposes of financial value) is almost always (if not always) measured in troy ounces, which are not identical to the commonly used ounce. I admit to being a little tongue-in-cheek with my reply, and though I learned something new (that precious metals are weighed in troy ounces), this is still a different weight than an ounce =p Yes. However, it would change the value of the gold in you math. Which was sorta my point... Even with the correction though, your point still stands that a miner will not be worth their weight in gold.
Dbars Grinding Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 448	Posted - 2012.04.14 02:53:00 - [24] - Quote no, there is no rise in profit from mining if everything is rising in price. I have more space likes than you.-á
Malamber Nordic Innovations BLACK-MARK 7	Posted - 2012.04.14 02:57:00 - [25] - Quote Dbars Grinding wrote: no, there is no rise in profit from mining if everything is rising in price. Though there's more demand for mining... my brain's too fuddled to work that through =p
Corina Jarr Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built 662	Posted - 2012.04.14 02:58:00 - [26] - Quote Dbars Grinding wrote: no, there is no rise in profit from mining if everything is rising in price. Oh there is plenty of profit rise. The price of manufactured items has not kept up with the rise in min prices. Lag behind by a few days (during the rapid rise a few weeks back, stopped caring a week ago).
Cipher Jones The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars 461	Posted - 2012.04.14 03:00:00 - [27] - Quote EVE Stig wrote: T-B0NE wrote: EVE Stig wrote: I have to agree. Gankers are the ironically the biggest risk averse carebears in EVE Gankin no fun if you know you're probably gonna end up being the one that gets ganked, after all what do predators fear, bigger predators. they seem to fear ccp actually making their profession hard more than anything for all their cries of how leet they are youd think theyd WANT it harder arent they usually the first to scream HTFU? Honestly the new changes are only for the boomerang exploit. Everything else is still working fine. I AM ***** PISSED OFF THAT EVE WILL NOT RUN ON MY COMMODORE 64. THAT ** I QUIT. take all my isk for 1 trit.
EVE Stig Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 107	Posted - 2012.04.14 03:53:00 - [28] - Quote non judgement wrote: People can't have fun in a game unless they hold some kind of kill other players event. Even if they have to sink down to the sad level of shooting something that can't defend itself. You'd think shooting fish in a barrel would get boring after a while. But no! 5 hulkageddons now. Yeah well the ppl that run it supply the Hulks too.... so its not just fun for the gankers but proffitable for the organizers. If it WASNT it wouldnt continue T-B0NE wrote: EVE Stig wrote: they seem to fear ccp actually making their profession hard more than anything for all their cries of how leet they are youd think theyd WANT it harder When a predator hungers it will naturally select the prey that requires the least expended energy for the most satisfaction in the kill, unless it has something to prove, or rabid. so they dont HTFU like theyre always screaming? lol Cipher Jones wrote: Honestly the new changes are only for the boomerang exploit. Everything else is still working fine. Doesnt seem to stop the tears.... "Some say that he is actually dead, but the Grim Reaper is too afraid to tell him." "Some say he is the 3rd member of Daft Punk and he did the vocals of "Technologic" song. All we know is,he's called EVE Stig"!
Asuka Solo Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises 1398	Posted - 2012.04.14 05:21:00 - [29] - Quote Masikari wrote: Looking through the forums and trade-hub prices it's no lie that things are getting ridiculously expensive! Even tho I have enjoyed ganking the odd miner, I'm starting to hope that this breed of player begin mining their little socks off to help the market with minerals. Also, getting rid of drone-poo will make minerals even rarer. And we have Hulkageddon to go yet. I'm curious to know if the gank-bears are starting to maybe feel a glimmer of concern? Or if anyone is for that matter? I'm kinda glad to be a WH dweller at this moment in time. The Drake is almost as expensive as the Raven was not too long ago! Thoughts? Flames? Trolls? Go! Kill less miners and you'll have cheaper pvp. The more hulkageddons, ice interdiction and jihadding occurs, the more inflation you'll have to put up with. So its your call really. Can you afford what your killboard is cooking?
Asuka Solo Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises 1399	Posted - 2012.04.14 05:28:00 - [30] - Quote Dbars Grinding wrote: no, there is no rise in profit from mining if everything is rising in price. This. The time spent mining remains the same. The value of what is mined changes, but the costs of processing it into stuff you use remains unchanged. Thus the profit margins don't increase, but the poor pvpers have to fork out more isk for what he/she wants. Most ships have all but doubled in price. I think its genius actually. Now if only a cruiser cost 300 mil and a hulk cost 30 mil or less......



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