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banker	Posted - 2004.07.21 05:02:00 - [1] what are the original reasons CA was attacked? why the mojority of eve has sided against CA? and how come with every thing that has been thrown against CA that it is not lying broken yet some of the enemies of CA are long dead? examples ie great wildlands pact ie curse coalition also can peace ever be restored to CA held terrortories and what would be the stipulations of such a peace?
banker	Posted - 2004.07.21 05:02:00 - [2] what are the original reasons CA was attacked? why the mojority of eve has sided against CA? and how come with every thing that has been thrown against CA that it is not lying broken yet some of the enemies of CA are long dead? examples ie great wildlands pact ie curse coalition also can peace ever be restored to CA held terrortories and what would be the stipulations of such a peace?
Sphalerite	Posted - 2004.07.21 05:24:00 - [3] If you frame your question in a less trollish way, you'll get a better response. I'll list the reasons I can remember for specific allianced that I can remember though. FA: Sinister and some other corps who's names I can't remember used to be nasty pirates and camp FD-MLJ. As this is on the way to fountain, FA had lots of fights with them. After much nastiness, Sinister et al moved to Curse and decided they weren't pirates anymore. FA didn't accept this explaination and pressed their attack to Curse. SA: When the afformentioned pirates moved to Curse, SA weren't to happy to have them next door, despire their protestations that they had given up pirating. CFS and it's offspring: I was the pilot lucky enough to have been attacked for no reason in JK-FIX by several CA pilots. One thing led to another and there was a war. After negotiating a peace treaty there was relative calm for a few months then CA tossed the treaty and invaded while posting made up stories about CFS gank fleets killing poor helpless CA miners. XIF: I'm not sure about them, but I do know that they had a NAP with CA for quite a long time. I'm sure you'll get better details and flames from those directly involved.
Sphalerite	Posted - 2004.07.21 05:24:00 - [4] If you frame your question in a less trollish way, you'll get a better response. I'll list the reasons I can remember for specific allianced that I can remember though. FA: Sinister and some other corps who's names I can't remember used to be nasty pirates and camp FD-MLJ. As this is on the way to fountain, FA had lots of fights with them. After much nastiness, Sinister et al moved to Curse and decided they weren't pirates anymore. FA didn't accept this explaination and pressed their attack to Curse. SA: When the afformentioned pirates moved to Curse, SA weren't to happy to have them next door, despire their protestations that they had given up pirating. CFS and it's offspring: I was the pilot lucky enough to have been attacked for no reason in JK-FIX by several CA pilots. One thing led to another and there was a war. After negotiating a peace treaty there was relative calm for a few months then CA tossed the treaty and invaded while posting made up stories about CFS gank fleets killing poor helpless CA miners. XIF: I'm not sure about them, but I do know that they had a NAP with CA for quite a long time. I'm sure you'll get better details and flames from those directly involved.
evetalon	Posted - 2004.07.21 05:28:00 - [5] Edited by: evetalon on 21/07/2004 05:29:44 Xif: From what I have read its was from miscommunication and act of agrssion from 1 CA pilot. The pilot was fighting SA (in a NAP with Xif) and wished to pass through the backend of Xif space to get home (against the NAP formed between CA and Xif). The pilot was warned and continued on. Xif then destroyed the ship as per the NAP. CA immediately declared war and voila...WAR. ----------------------- [LIH]Evetalon Corporate CEO Four Horsemen [LIH]
evetalon	Posted - 2004.07.21 05:28:00 - [6] Edited by: evetalon on 21/07/2004 05:29:44 Xif: From what I have read its was from miscommunication and act of agrssion from 1 CA pilot. The pilot was fighting SA (in a NAP with Xif) and wished to pass through the backend of Xif space to get home (against the NAP formed between CA and Xif). The pilot was warned and continued on. Xif then destroyed the ship as per the NAP. CA immediately declared war and voila...WAR. ----------------------- [LIH]Evetalon Corporate CEO Four Horsemen [LIH]
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2004.07.21 07:33:00 - [7] Edited by: Rod Blaine on 21/07/2004 07:43:31 The reasons stated above are incomplete. They are the forum reasons, and we all know those are more aimed at justification and roleplay than the actual reason to attack. The SA v CA war has always been justified because of CA's pirate past. Most of the corps and persons concerned in that past are no longer in CA anyway, so it all comes down to animosity that has built up opver time, and the simple desire for fighting. The war agaionst FA has more or less the same past, tho it has always been more on the background when compared with the SA war. The XIF war is recent, after CA and XIF got on well for a long time. There where incidents on both sides of the border for a while until the lastmentioned incident concerning a non-threatening heavily damaged warship trying to get home to CA safely got blasted. While that one incident was unfortunate, it was not the conclusive one to start a war. CA had been getting more aggreviated by XIF's lack of stance againt similar incursions by CA enemies on their territory. Anyway, call it one drop too much paired with a desire to put the XIF alliance into it's place. All in all it means that it is very unlikely that the Curse area will ever know any lasting form of peace. I could see XIF and CA getting back to a NAP, but CA napped with SA or FA is very unlikely. In the end, peace would mean the end of CA imo. People in CA desire war, not peace. Oh, I forgot CFS it seems. Well afaik CA never took them that seriously, probably that war was due to boredom as well. * all vieuwpoints expressed are mine, and not any form of official stance from anyone,. anything or anywhere. Nor are these an attempt at starting some kind of discussion regarding things past* _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2004.07.21 07:33:00 - [8] Edited by: Rod Blaine on 21/07/2004 07:43:31 The reasons stated above are incomplete. They are the forum reasons, and we all know those are more aimed at justification and roleplay than the actual reason to attack. The SA v CA war has always been justified because of CA's pirate past. Most of the corps and persons concerned in that past are no longer in CA anyway, so it all comes down to animosity that has built up opver time, and the simple desire for fighting. The war agaionst FA has more or less the same past, tho it has always been more on the background when compared with the SA war. The XIF war is recent, after CA and XIF got on well for a long time. There where incidents on both sides of the border for a while until the lastmentioned incident concerning a non-threatening heavily damaged warship trying to get home to CA safely got blasted. While that one incident was unfortunate, it was not the conclusive one to start a war. CA had been getting more aggreviated by XIF's lack of stance againt similar incursions by CA enemies on their territory. Anyway, call it one drop too much paired with a desire to put the XIF alliance into it's place. All in all it means that it is very unlikely that the Curse area will ever know any lasting form of peace. I could see XIF and CA getting back to a NAP, but CA napped with SA or FA is very unlikely. In the end, peace would mean the end of CA imo. People in CA desire war, not peace. Oh, I forgot CFS it seems. Well afaik CA never took them that seriously, probably that war was due to boredom as well. * all vieuwpoints expressed are mine, and not any form of official stance from anyone,. anything or anywhere. Nor are these an attempt at starting some kind of discussion regarding things past* _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
Ronyo Dae'Loki	Posted - 2004.07.21 07:37:00 - [9] If I recall correctly, when CA was first set up there was another smaller alliance inside Curse (I can't remember their name... Curse Coalition or something?) who were fighting against the then-forming CA with the support of SA. Please correct me if I'm wrong, it's been a long time and I was never involved with matters in that neck of the woods anyway. ------------- My salsa makes all the pretty girls want to dance and take off their underpants. I <3 ( . Y . )
Ronyo Dae'Loki	Posted - 2004.07.21 07:37:00 - [10] If I recall correctly, when CA was first set up there was another smaller alliance inside Curse (I can't remember their name... Curse Coalition or something?) who were fighting against the then-forming CA with the support of SA. Please correct me if I'm wrong, it's been a long time and I was never involved with matters in that neck of the woods anyway. ------------- My salsa makes all the pretty girls want to dance and take off their underpants. I <3 ( . Y . )
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2004.07.21 07:46:00 - [11] Originally by: Ronyo Dae'Loki If I recall correctly, when CA was first set up there was another smaller alliance inside Curse (I can't remember their name... Curse Coalition or something?) who were fighting against the then-forming CA with the support of SA. Please correct me if I'm wrong, it's been a long time and I was never involved with matters in that neck of the woods anyway. That is correct, the Curse Coalition (CC) dissapeared when most of it merged into SA I think, but dont go pod me if I'm wrong. Actually, the CC was in Curse before CA came I think. And the residents not ineterested in joining the then 'pirate' CA formed the CC or left. The also was the GWP or Great Wildlands Pact if I recall right, which also lead to nothing. Again I'm merely recalling a bit of Eve history as I recall it, not trying to twist it in CA favour or invite any form of trolling or flaming here. _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2004.07.21 07:46:00 - [12] Originally by: Ronyo Dae'Loki If I recall correctly, when CA was first set up there was another smaller alliance inside Curse (I can't remember their name... Curse Coalition or something?) who were fighting against the then-forming CA with the support of SA. Please correct me if I'm wrong, it's been a long time and I was never involved with matters in that neck of the woods anyway. That is correct, the Curse Coalition (CC) dissapeared when most of it merged into SA I think, but dont go pod me if I'm wrong. Actually, the CC was in Curse before CA came I think. And the residents not ineterested in joining the then 'pirate' CA formed the CC or left. The also was the GWP or Great Wildlands Pact if I recall right, which also lead to nothing. Again I'm merely recalling a bit of Eve history as I recall it, not trying to twist it in CA favour or invite any form of trolling or flaming here. _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
Iluyen	Posted - 2004.07.21 08:07:00 - [13] There where 3 smaller alliances in curse before the current CA and SA was attacking us/pirating the area (whatever you wanna call it) long before the "pirate corps" came over and the 3 smaller alliances merged into the CA. When SA/FA attacked CA the cowards that didn't want to fight turned coat and formed the curse coalition (mainly the alliance based around h-adoc led by tyrell), thinking SA/FA would be victorious. They were wrong. Now Tyrell will try to deny this saying they never agree to join CA, but my corp at that time was in their alliance before CA formed and I wonder why we got a list with all the corps we where allied with.
Iluyen	Posted - 2004.07.21 08:07:00 - [14] There where 3 smaller alliances in curse before the current CA and SA was attacking us/pirating the area (whatever you wanna call it) long before the "pirate corps" came over and the 3 smaller alliances merged into the CA. When SA/FA attacked CA the cowards that didn't want to fight turned coat and formed the curse coalition (mainly the alliance based around h-adoc led by tyrell), thinking SA/FA would be victorious. They were wrong. Now Tyrell will try to deny this saying they never agree to join CA, but my corp at that time was in their alliance before CA formed and I wonder why we got a list with all the corps we where allied with.
AvanCade	Posted - 2004.07.21 08:45:00 - [15] Why virtually everyone fights CA is a human thing that goes like: "you punch me, so i punch back". It is as easy as that. I could say something about the militairy relation between CA and PA, but i rather not, since it would result, or been seen as flaming :) And to your question why CA still stands, CA is dedicated, many, if not all, PVP corporations. They enjoy what they do, and they are good at it. Not all alliances have such dedication and experience, and that makes CA strong, if you ask me. And dont get me wrong, im not a CA fanboy, pretty much the opposite, since im CFS member Peace can always be restored, but most of the time it needs big sacrifices and no alliance is willing to make those. So stubbornes is pretty much the deal. And besides CA wont be making peace, since they enjoy what they do.
AvanCade	Posted - 2004.07.21 08:45:00 - [16] Why virtually everyone fights CA is a human thing that goes like: "you punch me, so i punch back". It is as easy as that. I could say something about the militairy relation between CA and PA, but i rather not, since it would result, or been seen as flaming :) And to your question why CA still stands, CA is dedicated, many, if not all, PVP corporations. They enjoy what they do, and they are good at it. Not all alliances have such dedication and experience, and that makes CA strong, if you ask me. And dont get me wrong, im not a CA fanboy, pretty much the opposite, since im CFS member Peace can always be restored, but most of the time it needs big sacrifices and no alliance is willing to make those. So stubbornes is pretty much the deal. And besides CA wont be making peace, since they enjoy what they do.
banker	Posted - 2004.07.21 19:41:00 - [17] thank you for your answers, sorry if my questions regarding this seemed trollish. let me explain, i am wanting to write an un biased history of CA. and if i do a good enough job i will write other history of the other major alliance. I choose CA as my first becuase it is one of the better known alliances and its history is very colorful, what little i know of it. thank you again for your answers and i hope more will come forth with information and historical data. for now i have enough to start on.
banker	Posted - 2004.07.21 19:41:00 - [18] thank you for your answers, sorry if my questions regarding this seemed trollish. let me explain, i am wanting to write an un biased history of CA. and if i do a good enough job i will write other history of the other major alliance. I choose CA as my first becuase it is one of the better known alliances and its history is very colorful, what little i know of it. thank you again for your answers and i hope more will come forth with information and historical data. for now i have enough to start on.
Notferr	Posted - 2004.07.21 19:53:00 - [19] Edited by: Notferr on 21/07/2004 19:58:11 There are also several other orgs that attack CA for a myriad of reasons. Some major ones are The CA military defense of the defunct PA. The inclusion of the FE, which terrorized the North for months. FE's (then CA) invasion of the then smaller Northern Alliances. - N - Cowboy - Celestial Apocalypse Now hear this, I am selling clues on market in gehi.
Notferr	Posted - 2004.07.21 19:53:00 - [20] Edited by: Notferr on 21/07/2004 19:58:11 There are also several other orgs that attack CA for a myriad of reasons. Some major ones are The CA military defense of the defunct PA. The inclusion of the FE, which terrorized the North for months. FE's (then CA) invasion of the then smaller Northern Alliances. - N - Cowboy - Celestial Apocalypse Now hear this, I am selling clues on market in gehi.
Einheriar Ulrich	Posted - 2004.07.21 20:01:00 - [21] Originally by: Ronyo Dae'Loki If I recall correctly, when CA was first set up there was another smaller alliance inside Curse (I can't remember their name... Curse Coalition or something?) who were fighting against the then-forming CA with the support of SA. Please correct me if I'm wrong, it's been a long time and I was never involved with matters in that neck of the woods anyway. That is somewhat correct, at least that the CC joined with SA in the end, but why CC, became CC is another matter, and it goes way, way back. I will not come into it hre, because it would mean i would have to write a Jade seize piece on that subject, and i am to tired for that. Somewhere, in these forums, their is a whole piece on the CA history, there you can get the facts. So Say I. Einheriar Ulrich of the Bloodline of Einheriar. **Minion Of VOTF**
Einheriar Ulrich	Posted - 2004.07.21 20:01:00 - [22] Originally by: Ronyo Dae'Loki If I recall correctly, when CA was first set up there was another smaller alliance inside Curse (I can't remember their name... Curse Coalition or something?) who were fighting against the then-forming CA with the support of SA. Please correct me if I'm wrong, it's been a long time and I was never involved with matters in that neck of the woods anyway. That is somewhat correct, at least that the CC joined with SA in the end, but why CC, became CC is another matter, and it goes way, way back. I will not come into it hre, because it would mean i would have to write a Jade seize piece on that subject, and i am to tired for that. Somewhere, in these forums, their is a whole piece on the CA history, there you can get the facts. So Say I. Einheriar Ulrich of the Bloodline of Einheriar. **Minion Of VOTF**
Harry Voyager	Posted - 2004.07.25 19:51:00 - [23] The XIF NAP clearly stated that Curse ships had Right of Passage through XIF space. XIF decided they wanted to fight the evil Curse Empire, so they changed their NAP and didn't bother to tell anyone. Harry Voyager
Harry Voyager	Posted - 2004.07.25 19:51:00 - [24] The XIF NAP clearly stated that Curse ships had Right of Passage through XIF space. XIF decided they wanted to fight the evil Curse Empire, so they changed their NAP and didn't bother to tell anyone. Harry Voyager
MAXSuicide	Posted - 2004.07.25 20:14:00 - [25] ur such a good CA alt arent u...carry on with the BS man... My vids and random stuff
MAXSuicide	Posted - 2004.07.25 20:14:00 - [26] ur such a good CA alt arent u...carry on with the BS man... My vids and random stuff
fugazii	Posted - 2004.07.25 20:17:00 - [27] Originally by: evetalon Edited by: evetalon on 21/07/2004 05:29:44 Xif: From what I have read its was from miscommunication and act of agrssion from 1 CA pilot. The pilot was fighting SA (in a NAP with Xif) and wished to pass through the backend of Xif space to get home (against the NAP formed between CA and Xif). The pilot was warned and continued on. Xif then destroyed the ship as per the NAP. CA immediately declared war and voila...WAR. I believe it was a scorp that u guys shot down which if this is true and they were in your territory would yes give you a right to shoot (if ca wasnt allowed to fly in x/if space, which i believe they were as part of the nap) but would also put whoever shot that scorp in direct violation of the xetic rules of engagement, and i quote directly from the xetic forums from their rules of engagement section- This is for bs entering thier space, d) Battleships: Retreat and call reinforcements if you don¦t outnumber them by two, otherwise fight them. If outnumbered and they try to break through, retreat and regroup. Then follow their way and attack them if we outnumber them. Otherwise stop them at the gate and call for help, since you don¦t know if they return. This is for bs leaving their space, d) Battleships: Tell them to never come back. No risc. Better shoot their haulers, that hurts more. yes he was warned as stated by evetalon but by that time he was already in xetic space on his way out therefor he would fall under the second rule as to not shoot but to tell them to never come back
fugazii	Posted - 2004.07.25 20:17:00 - [28] Originally by: evetalon Edited by: evetalon on 21/07/2004 05:29:44 Xif: From what I have read its was from miscommunication and act of agrssion from 1 CA pilot. The pilot was fighting SA (in a NAP with Xif) and wished to pass through the backend of Xif space to get home (against the NAP formed between CA and Xif). The pilot was warned and continued on. Xif then destroyed the ship as per the NAP. CA immediately declared war and voila...WAR. I believe it was a scorp that u guys shot down which if this is true and they were in your territory would yes give you a right to shoot (if ca wasnt allowed to fly in x/if space, which i believe they were as part of the nap) but would also put whoever shot that scorp in direct violation of the xetic rules of engagement, and i quote directly from the xetic forums from their rules of engagement section- This is for bs entering thier space, d) Battleships: Retreat and call reinforcements if you don¦t outnumber them by two, otherwise fight them. If outnumbered and they try to break through, retreat and regroup. Then follow their way and attack them if we outnumber them. Otherwise stop them at the gate and call for help, since you don¦t know if they return. This is for bs leaving their space, d) Battleships: Tell them to never come back. No risc. Better shoot their haulers, that hurts more. yes he was warned as stated by evetalon but by that time he was already in xetic space on his way out therefor he would fall under the second rule as to not shoot but to tell them to never come back
MAXSuicide	Posted - 2004.07.25 20:26:00 - [29] im not/wasnt involved with the xetic thing so im not quite sure what the nap was, but the xetic guys kept saying SA and ca (both naped with xetic i udnerstand) were allowed to go thru immensa but were not allowed thru the xetic secure space. the CA pilot was in secure space so they shot him down. there was proof of CA staging the whole thing just so they could declare war. that is what i saw in the official press release from CA at the start of the war My vids and random stuff
MAXSuicide	Posted - 2004.07.25 20:26:00 - [30] im not/wasnt involved with the xetic thing so im not quite sure what the nap was, but the xetic guys kept saying SA and ca (both naped with xetic i udnerstand) were allowed to go thru immensa but were not allowed thru the xetic secure space. the CA pilot was in secure space so they shot him down. there was proof of CA staging the whole thing just so they could declare war. that is what i saw in the official press release from CA at the start of the war My vids and random stuff
TWD	Posted - 2004.07.25 20:32:00 - [31] Originally by: banker and how come with every thing that has been thrown against CA that it is not lying broken yet some of the enemies of CA are long dead? examples ie great wildlands pact ie curse coalition That is simple, the same reason why other alliances like CFS and SA that endured attacks from many enemy's are still alive: Game mechanics.. when you die its not permanent, when you lose a ship.. you get a new one.
TWD	Posted - 2004.07.25 20:32:00 - [32] Originally by: banker and how come with every thing that has been thrown against CA that it is not lying broken yet some of the enemies of CA are long dead? examples ie great wildlands pact ie curse coalition That is simple, the same reason why other alliances like CFS and SA that endured attacks from many enemy's are still alive: Game mechanics.. when you die its not permanent, when you lose a ship.. you get a new one.
Tholarim	Posted - 2004.07.25 20:56:00 - [33] Originally by: MAXSuicide there was proof of CA staging the whole thing just so they could declare war. Show me the proof... please
Tholarim	Posted - 2004.07.25 20:56:00 - [34] Originally by: MAXSuicide there was proof of CA staging the whole thing just so they could declare war. Show me the proof... please
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.07.25 20:59:00 - [35] I think people decided to wage war on CA simply because they all wear berets and have names like "Simeon" and "Bellamy". LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.07.25 20:59:00 - [36] I think people decided to wage war on CA simply because they all wear berets and have names like "Simeon" and "Bellamy". LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
MAXSuicide	Posted - 2004.07.25 21:04:00 - [37] i dont have the link anymore, but some xetic guy posted a convo thing with the ca pilot and all this other stuff as proof... My vids and random stuff
MAXSuicide	Posted - 2004.07.25 21:04:00 - [38] i dont have the link anymore, but some xetic guy posted a convo thing with the ca pilot and all this other stuff as proof... My vids and random stuff
Mitchello	Posted - 2004.07.25 21:11:00 - [39] Originally by: Ronyo Dae'Loki If I recall correctly, when CA was first set up there was another smaller alliance inside Curse (I can't remember their name... Curse Coalition or something?) who were fighting against the then-forming CA with the support of SA. Please correct me if I'm wrong, it's been a long time and I was never involved with matters in that neck of the woods anyway. yup I was out there, we fought a while, SA as allied but EV and the Collective kept pirateing our indies rather than go after curse. Don't know if they have changed but I still have this great captured log from a Stain Regional Manager, who was in the collective, admiting to pirateing us while admiting we were allies (FND with GWP and CC) and saying that the guy who they pirated last diserved it beucase he attacked them and talked smack. of course the guy was in a bestower so of course he would attack a fleet of 7 battleships :) oh and we had the log from the ship showing what actually happened. the guy admited it but basicalyl told us to f*ck off, they were bored... Still 90% of SA are good eggs.
Mitchello	Posted - 2004.07.25 21:11:00 - [40] Originally by: Ronyo Dae'Loki If I recall correctly, when CA was first set up there was another smaller alliance inside Curse (I can't remember their name... Curse Coalition or something?) who were fighting against the then-forming CA with the support of SA. Please correct me if I'm wrong, it's been a long time and I was never involved with matters in that neck of the woods anyway. yup I was out there, we fought a while, SA as allied but EV and the Collective kept pirateing our indies rather than go after curse. Don't know if they have changed but I still have this great captured log from a Stain Regional Manager, who was in the collective, admiting to pirateing us while admiting we were allies (FND with GWP and CC) and saying that the guy who they pirated last diserved it beucase he attacked them and talked smack. of course the guy was in a bestower so of course he would attack a fleet of 7 battleships :) oh and we had the log from the ship showing what actually happened. the guy admited it but basicalyl told us to f*ck off, they were bored... Still 90% of SA are good eggs.
Silent Weapons	Posted - 2004.07.26 22:40:00 - [41] http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=94426&page=8 Above link states some of the reasons for the XIF/CA war, how it started, including the chat between the CA pilot and the XIF pilot, also has the CA/XIF NAP. One thing I don't understand, this is the third thread that I've seen, that goes into depth about the CA/XIF, 2 previous threads, the official NAP, which was last changed by a CA member, ie. Last edited by Night on Mon Oct 27, 2003 3:05 am; edited 1 time in total, is posted, no one keeps talking about how XIF supposedly broke the NAP, like they did prior to the NAP being posted. I Just Don't Understand Why. Could it be that after seeing the NAP, maybe some people start thinking that XIF DIDN'T break the NAP, and that CA DID?
Silent Weapons	Posted - 2004.07.26 22:40:00 - [42] http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=94426&page=8 Above link states some of the reasons for the XIF/CA war, how it started, including the chat between the CA pilot and the XIF pilot, also has the CA/XIF NAP. One thing I don't understand, this is the third thread that I've seen, that goes into depth about the CA/XIF, 2 previous threads, the official NAP, which was last changed by a CA member, ie. Last edited by Night on Mon Oct 27, 2003 3:05 am; edited 1 time in total, is posted, no one keeps talking about how XIF supposedly broke the NAP, like they did prior to the NAP being posted. I Just Don't Understand Why. Could it be that after seeing the NAP, maybe some people start thinking that XIF DIDN'T break the NAP, and that CA DID?
ProphetGuru	Posted - 2004.07.26 22:56:00 - [43] Edited by: ProphetGuru on 26/07/2004 22:57:56 I orchestrated the whole damn thing. edit- <-for OC people with no sense of humor. Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
ProphetGuru	Posted - 2004.07.26 22:56:00 - [44] Edited by: ProphetGuru on 26/07/2004 22:57:56 I orchestrated the whole damn thing. edit- <-for OC people with no sense of humor. Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
Kulach	Posted - 2004.07.26 23:15:00 - [45] Originally by: ProphetGuru Edited by: ProphetGuru on 26/07/2004 22:57:56 I orchestrated the whole damn thing. edit- <-for OC people with no sense of humor. Just because something is fixed doesn't mean you can't break it
Kulach	Posted - 2004.07.26 23:15:00 - [46] Originally by: ProphetGuru Edited by: ProphetGuru on 26/07/2004 22:57:56 I orchestrated the whole damn thing. edit- <-for OC people with no sense of humor. Just because something is fixed doesn't mean you can't break it

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