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Susung
Alt Anti-defamation League
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Posted - 2008.12.30 05:06:00 -
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The CSM was created in the backlash of a giant exploit. We were told that they will be involved in 'policing' any future exploit resolutions. Well, don't look behind you but there is a big fat stinking exploit festering that makes the whole magic BPO creator crisis look minor in comparison. This will be the acid test for the viability of the CSM. Is it a true oversight committee or just a popularity contest. I would like to call on our elected representatives and ask. what is going on? Are you being included in the process? And when are we gonna hear what is up?
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2008.12.30 23:54:00 -
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When did CCP say that the CSM would be a oversight committee? All I ever heard about CSM was that it "will act as an official conduit for your comments and requests, as a community, enhancing greatly your ability to express your concerns and prioritize the matters you believe are most important at the time." So they will propably just put forward the communitys conserns about the issue and CCP will try to address them. I don't really know what more could be realisticly expected of them.
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Susung
Alt Anti-defamation League
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Posted - 2009.01.01 01:59:00 -
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Linkage
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Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express
Burning Horizons
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Posted - 2009.01.01 06:10:00 -
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The CSM was a PR move, nothing more nothing less.
While minor changes may come from it no major code will be changed based on its recommendation.
Likewise no corporation is going to open themselves up to a truly transparent review by customers elected in what essentially is a popularity contest with no real look at any qualifications for the job.
Thoughts expressed are mine and mine alone. They do not necessarily reflect my alliances thoughts.
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2009.01.01 09:45:00 -
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The CSM was a PR move, nothing more nothing less.
I'm sure that the person who came up with the idea YEARS ago, disagrees with you. Who are you to say that it's a PR move when the idea spawned long before everybody heard of it?
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While minor changes may come from it no major code will be changed based on its recommendation.
Lets see. Now you are starting to messure the effectivity of the CSM by how much code we can "touch"? I think that's a really bad metric. We can touch the whole damn codebase, but if the situation of EVE-Online doesn't change, then it doesn't matter.
I can think of several things that the CSM has affected. Weapon-stacking: That's a fairly complex thing. Obviously there's much complex things. But hey, we have only been here for a little over + year. You can't rewrite the whole POS system in + year when you need design documents and things like that first. CCP also have a queue for which things programmers do.
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Likewise no corporation is going to open themselves up to a truly transparent review by customers elected in what essentially is a popularity contest with no real look at any qualifications for the job.
Who said they should? Are you another one of these "OMFG THE CSM IS AN AUDITING BODY WHICH BECAME BECAUSE OF THE T20 INCIDENT"?
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Myra2007
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.01.02 18:56:00 -
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Edited by: Myra2007 on 02/01/2009 18:56:25
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Who said they should? Are you another one of these "OMFG THE CSM IS AN AUDITING BODY WHICH BECAME BECAUSE OF THE T20 INCIDENT"?
So, what you are saying is that the timing of implementation of the CSM and the t20 incident are a coincidence? Either you are a straight liar or a really naive person tbh.
You should read that linked article btw...
ôI envision this council being made up of nine members selected by the players themselves, where you announce your candidacy, and if you win the election, they come here to Iceland, and they can look at every nook and cranny and get to see that we are here to run this company on a professional basis,ö said Mr. Petursson, CCPÆs chief executive.
edited for clarification
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Originally by: kublai on Ankhesentapemkah
That said, the "i'm a girl who plays your computer game and i'm not that ugly" has always been a certain winner in the mmo world
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Dasfry
Caldari
Demio's Corporation
101010 Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.03 00:33:00 -
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Originally by: Myra2007
ôI envision...
keyword Envision,
Envision and reality are rarely the same
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Dasfry, Director
Demio's Corporation
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Fahtim Meidires
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.01.03 08:29:00 -
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Originally by: Dasfry
Originally by: Myra2007
ôI envision...
keyword Envision,
Envision and reality are rarely the same
This. The article written by randomwriter86 about the possible role of the CSM in the future is a much less reliable source than the current guidelines of the entity. Their role is not that of detectives. They are simply a link between idea people, concerned players, complainers (good and bad), and of course the developers.
Seriously, CCP isn't gonna jeopardize their reputation by taking the exploits lightly. I've got no problem trusting they have things under control.
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Maximum KILLDEATHRATIO
Minmatar
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2009.01.03 18:33:00 -
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Oversight takes real big money and real power. An elected council of paid employees that answered to "the players"(?), whom hold real power over all other CCP employees.
That will never happen. CEOs don't ever willfully give away power and authority over their own, especially when it means spending more monie.
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Yes I'm bitter. (the taste you can see!)
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Tusko Hopkins
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Posted - 2009.01.15 23:08:00 -
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Edited by: Tusko Hopkins on 15/01/2009 23:12:22
As those who have paid attention might know, we are in Iceland at the moment discussing stuff with CCP.
Today we had a long session dedicated to the POS exploit, and although the NDA does not allow me to tell you what we learned, my personal impression was positive. CCP has been very cooperative, seemed to be answering our questions honestly and was open to discussion on the topic. |
Susung
Alt Anti-defamation League
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Posted - 2009.01.16 05:41:00 -
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Good to know that this is a topic at least. I am not so fond of the fact that you are not allowed to discuss the issue tho.
I would like to know some specifics about what was being created what reactions, approx how much of the market was being created this way, And if there is a plan to increase legal output to make up the gap. Certainly this will effect no one, I can understand not wanting to name players or corps it is not fair to the honest players, in those corps.
I may have missed something in the 100 page monstrosity the announcement thread has become,but there have been no real specific's given out. My mains corp has put construction on hold for lack of materials and uncertainty of the future of the materials market. At least tell us what we are not allowed to know  |
Omber Zombie
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Posted - 2009.01.16 07:32:00 -
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While we can't discuss the specifics at the moment, there is a dev blog on it's way which goes a lot more in-depth into what we discussed in our POS Exploit meeting with CCP. and no, no names are named.
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Convulge
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Posted - 2009.01.27 11:53:00 -
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What use is the CSM if it cant discuss specifics? You just become another tool of CCP spouting great PR about how they are 'listening' and being 'proactive' about these kinds of things. |
LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2009.01.27 12:00:00 -
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Originally by: Convulge
What use is the CSM if it cant discuss specifics? You just become another tool of CCP spouting great PR about how they are 'listening' and being 'proactive' about these kinds of things.
If you had bothered to read the minutes, you would note that CCP is going to be releasing a dev-blog by the end of this month/start of February with most of the information we were given.
Once that dev-blog is out we can discuss it. |
Haggarid
Gallente
Blackmoore Organization
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Posted - 2009.01.28 16:29:00 -
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OH MY GOD!!!
It's all a giant conspiracy and cover up!! They have created the CSM to brainwash you into playing EVE even though it might not be the perfect game!! They are all EVIL, EVILLLLLL I TELL YOU!!!!
If you don't like the game, go away... If you want to change it, there is a process. There are no instant fixes.
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Skalet
Disgruntled Postal Workers Union
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Posted - 2009.02.05 04:01:00 -
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and yet, we have a GOONSWARM CSM proudly admitting he and his corp were behind the metagaming hack that dissolved BoB.
nice one.
you idots will just pull the wool over your eyes until the game is ruined.
should rename yourselves GFN
good
for
nothing
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Susung
Alt Anti-defamation League
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Posted - 2009.02.24 01:57:00 -
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I have read the blog and I am completely satisfied with CCP's response. In fact it is more that I expected  Thank you to the CSM members who commented here. I would have liked the blog sooner but seeing the quantity of info they provided I can understand.
Susung
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