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Rodanine Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.12.31 02:14:00 - [91] i log in to voice chat and rarely bother to speak whats the big deal with not talking i can type faster then most people talk and really helps when people try talking over each other on vent/TS/eve voice. and you don't really need to talk during a pvp op unless your the FC anyways they got broadcasts for needing help you know that funny little window that shows up aside from the fleet window when your in a gang. i figure most of you ignore it but its really handy from broadcasting targets and setting primary's plus it shows uup on everyones screen when you use it so you don't really need to be sorting an overview constantly. -- yes this is an alt get over it
Bloody Rabbit Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.12.31 02:15:00 - [92] Edited by: Bloody Rabbit on 31/12/2008 02:20:49 What I don't like about the mic is that forced to listen to the people most of the time I learn that I have joined a group of little boys playing VG in their mommy's basement. I don't mind using the mic but if forced to listen to the crying about homework or tests I get tired of the group very fast, also the childish cursing is just a joke. I don't mind the language its just the use of the language for no real gets to me. For the most part I will plug in the mic and listen to TS if I'm in a battle or in a joint op but if I'm not then I will be listening to the news or music. Edit* if I get a chance to work on my Spanish or chinese then I'm more than happy to talk on TS or vent./edit
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.12.31 02:26:00 - [93] Originally by: Bloody Rabbit What I don't like about the mic is that forced to listen to the people most of the time I learn that I have joined a group of little boys playing VG in their mommy's basement. We all can't be as mature, cultured and wordly as yourself. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Danae Ori	Posted - 2008.12.31 02:26:00 - [94] Gotta agree with the OP here. Eve is a GAME, and to me immersion is necessary to enjoy it. Listening to some dude complaining about his RL job is a total immersion breaker. Worse are those people who come to you for "advice" or a shoulder to cry on because of RL problems. I suspect this will apply to a vast swathe of the MMORPG crowd, which makes me more hesitant in getting to "know" other players. Who wants to read a ****ing suicidal email or an emo blog that a corpmate sends you? Those people who heavily involve themselves in MMORPGs with a head-set, hardcore guild/corp and a "need" to know their corpmates intimately are sending up red flags as far as I'm concerned. Sure it's possible you can meet some cool people in a game, but unless they live within reasonable travelling distance then what's the point? I reserve RL activity for making friends where you can interact face-to-face. I've met up with people from the internet, and these meet-ups were great. But because of the vast distance involved and the infrequency of these meet-ups, I'd be hard-pressed to call these people "friends". And if you need voice comms to get to "know" your corpmates at an intimate level, there's something really weird going on and you're probably playing too much Eve to make friends or socialise outside the game. I'll use voice comms for PVP and, if I think you're really cool, for social chat. But I play Eve as a game. I want to be detached from RL as much as possible when Eve is on my screen.
Bloody Rabbit Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.12.31 02:27:00 - [95] Originally by: Teaburner But seriously, the " OMG my best friends are peeps I met on Vent...", posts are pathetic. Go outside, smile at someone, shake someone's hand when you say Happy New Year. If your best friends are people you met through Vent on some mmo, you need to get a life. This, unless your RL friends are also your gaming buddies than you need to have a few friends you can go out and do things with. I wouldn't be happy if I didn't have a few friends I could drag out and shoot up at the paintball grounds or drag to the gun range. I'm still working on getting someone to go skydiving with me. But most important is I couldn't do any of that with online friends because they are online.
Bloody Rabbit Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.12.31 02:29:00 - [96] Originally by: An Anarchyyt Originally by: Bloody Rabbit What I don't like about the mic is that forced to listen to the people most of the time I learn that I have joined a group of little boys playing VG in their mommy's basement. We all can't be as mature, cultured and wordly as yourself. I'm sure you know of the groups I'm talking about. The ones that get to use the bad words only when their parents aren't around and just use those words over and over and over and over again for no reason other to use the words. So please don't try and play me as some scholar.
Yuri VanKaer	Posted - 2008.12.31 02:42:00 - [97] Originally by: Mei Ree What I have gathered from this thread so far: if I want to be a spy, I should get a mic so people will trust me more. What I also have gathered is that the forums are filled with people who think that having 20 people talking at once in Teamspeak is actually adding value to the team. Then there are the manginas who are afraid to speak and break the illusion that they are female. For me, lack of microphone use is simply due to being in a house with other humans who don't like getting only half the conversation - especially when the commentary gets particularly agitated. I agree, it's pretty annoying to everyone else to only get half the convo, especially if they're not gamers. And the same goes for the all at once chatter channels. Here's my experiences with voice comms and why I choose not to use them. I keep hearing about these fleets/groups where nobody talks unless it's related to the battle, but I have yet to come across one. Not just talking about EVE here, it's been like this in every MMO I've played. They are usually composed of the following: 1. The jackass who thinks everyone should be subjected to their music choice. Especially those who think Ride of the Valkyries or the Imperial March has to be played at the start of every fight. 2. The wannabe comedian who thinks they're soooo funny, and subjects everyone to an endless string of pathetic jokes, ala Beavis and Butthead. 3. The emo who *****es and moans about getting killed, what they just lost, how much those h4xxx0r dudes are cheating, etc etc. whilst in the middle of a fight; rendering it impossible for everyone else to actually understand what the FC/GL is saying. 4. Ppl who are trying to play in a house full of other folks/children, adding so much background chatter that it's mind numbing. Especially when they are conversing with those other folks/disciplining their children. 5. Those that cannot construct a complete sentence without endless profanities, and feel a need to shout threats at the opposing team...who can't hear them. 6. Everyone else who has tuned out due to the above problems, rendering voice comms pointless. So...I prefer text and broadcasts, I find it more efficient and less distracting. And thankfully this game allows for that still. Those of you who enjoy it, great, good for you. I'm happy that you do. However the fact that I and others don't enjoy it, does not make us less capable players or social cripples.
Kessiaan Minmatar Army of One	Posted - 2008.12.31 02:59:00 - [98] I've never understood "I don't like voice chat" whines, here or elsewhere. If you don't like an FC's rules don't fly with them, don't join their corp, don't try to play with them. "These are the rules" is not a difficult concept - you either agree to them and stop whining, or you don't agree to them and don't sign up for whatever.
Morfane The IMorral MAjority	Posted - 2008.12.31 05:11:00 - [99] To answer the OP, its because its annoying for CEO's to have to pay attention to what is being typed in the chat channel for one guy.
Dulcinea Toboso	Posted - 2008.12.31 06:38:00 - [100] Originally by: UMEE why do i have to use a mic? after my first month in this one corp, i liked the people and they liked me. one day the CEO convos me and says that "everyone would like to get to know you, why dont you just go out and get yourself a mic, it's only a few bucks?" They wanted to know if you are a girl IRL.
MHayes	Posted - 2008.12.31 06:46:00 - [101] A PVP player that cannot communicate over voice comms is at a disadvantage. You might be able to hear but if you can't speak you are less able to share information. Why have a player that is like this when a ceo could have a real player? Obviously if someone is disabled then it is unfair, but you are not giving a reason other than you don't want to. Why not just say you don't want to play Eve, because Eve needs it if you want to be competitive. Good luck finding a good corp that doesn't use ut.
Mecinea Lua	Posted - 2008.12.31 07:17:00 - [102] There is no real need for voice comms. Indeed especially in larger battles eve voice and other voice comms oftentimes peter out. Using tools in game there is a way to broadcast targets and other things, without the use of voice. Anyone that thinks they're getting to know someone they've never met just by hearing their voice is fooling themselves. The only thing it would clearly indicate is if more than one person used an account since they would sound different. Not all corps require voice comms. Look around OP and I hope you find a new better corp.
Napoleon Bismarck	Posted - 2008.12.31 07:50:00 - [103] Originally by: Mecinea Lua There is no real need for voice comms. Indeed especially in larger battles eve voice and other voice comms oftentimes peter out. Using tools in game there is a way to broadcast targets and other things, without the use of voice. Anyone that thinks they're getting to know someone they've never met just by hearing their voice is fooling themselves. The only thing it would clearly indicate is if more than one person used an account since they would sound different. Not all corps require voice comms. Look around OP and I hope you find a new better corp. Never came across voice comms 'petering' out during a fleet fight. Broadcast tools are just as annoying as typing tbh. Methinks the only fleetfight you have been part of was a fleet of hulks against an army of roids.
Arvald Caldari MasterBlasters Inc. CORPVS DELICTI	Posted - 2008.12.31 07:53:00 - [104] any corp that forces you to use a voice com (or anythign else for that matter) isnt worth joining, play for fun not hwo others tell you to play i edit spelling for no one
JaseNZ	Posted - 2008.12.31 08:01:00 - [105] On my previous Windows install, my mic wouldn't work correctly, so I couldn't use audio. Did a reinstall and now it seems to work, audio is great! :D
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2008.12.31 08:02:00 - [106] Originally by: UMEE 1) i dont want to listen to sad drunken asshats; this is not my idea of a party 2) 70% of the time, i cant make out what people are saying due to static/volume issues 3) i cant understand half the accents out there. To add a reason to use a mic as little as possible: my accent is pretty barbaric, I don't see why someone should try to understand me when I can type in chat. Sure for emergency communications a microphone is better, but I am not the Force Commander and don't wish to the one, I am not a sentinel checking the near gates, ecc. So a mic is not required in any way and using voice communications is generally less efficient that typing in chat, at least for conversations, if you aren't english native.
Davina Braben	Posted - 2008.12.31 08:41:00 - [107] Edited by: Davina Braben on 31/12/2008 08:42:29 I'm sure you will be able to find a corp that isn't mic required. I turn my mic off for fleet ops tbh to save accidentally transmitting. I'm not scouting, I'm not tackling, I'm not calling targets. There's exactly zero need for me to be pushing talk. But that said if you don't like the people you're flying with, why are you flying with them? I honestly have to wonder what the point is. To be fair 95% of the people you meet online probably won't end up being more than acquaintances but if you don't get along with your gang-mates well enough to chat to them why are you spending time with them? If the internet spaceships really matter to you, consider that quick communication, rapport and esprit de corps are force multipliers.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2008.12.31 08:44:00 - [108] Don't fret, just be happy that people are telling you to get a mic instead of "get off the vent Jones!!" My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.12.31 08:53:00 - [109] Edited by: Zeba on 31/12/2008 08:53:42 To the op. Learn to speak with an Irish accent and they will shortly mute you and leave you alone. inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan
Mikal Drey Minmatar Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.31 09:04:00 - [110] hey hey We regularly use Vent or TS and I do NOT have a mic. i have many reasons why i dont have one or use one only 1 FC has ever gone crazy about it and i got booted of TS for having my Mic muted :/ some of our spanish pilots never speak on comms and its never been an issue. not having a mic is specific to your corp/alliance so your issues is with them. some corps and alliances have theses rules in place for specific reasons (spies etc) if your having issues from a social perspective and feel your corp mates are asshats who like to drink alot then maybe your in the wrong corp.
Davlos Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.12.31 09:30:00 - [111] Eh, I'm a radioman (yes, the poor sod who always gets to die first in those war movies) outside of this game with six months remaining with the Singaporean army, and I have to memorize bloody codewords for various things like vehicles, platoon, different weapons, helicopters, rivers, hills, etc. If the Battalion Signals Officer is feeling paranoid, he'd rotate codewords for those things every day, and I get my arse chewed out if my messages don't sound coherent or clear when I try to pluck such things out of memory. But the job scope is clear: In modern combat, information is king. Ventrilo/TS, using the voice communications medium is the fastest and clearest form of information transfer provided the users have the discipline to shut up when someone is talking, and are able to transfer information coherently. Anyone who argues against voice communications in PvP are either those who most likely spend their days flipping cans on newbies or have never succeeded much at all at PvP. On the social side, I spent a good amount of time with a bunch of friends in a corp for over a year, and it culminated into myself flying to the UK and spent the most awesome fortnight of my life yet just hanging out with them. Voicecomms is nothing to protest against as long as you find the right people to hang with. --- Originally by: Revan Neferis Scientific category of gravitation fields and velocity is force....
Roymundo Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2008.12.31 09:48:00 - [112] a certain 0.0 alliance i was in had mic as mandatory. yet, whenever i tried to use it the response was always "STFU NOOB" why would i feel compelled to go and spend my hard earned cash on a mic if i new beforehand that this would be the case?
P'uck	Posted - 2008.12.31 09:49:00 - [113] Edited by: P''uck on 31/12/2008 09:49:30 A lot of fleets would be MORE successful if ONLY the FC had a mic
shamai	Posted - 2008.12.31 09:55:00 - [114] Originally by: UMEE why do i have to use a mic? why cant i just listen in? this has been my issue since the beginning of EVE. after my first month in this one corp, i liked the people and they liked me. one day the CEO convos me and says that "everyone would like to get to know you, why dont you just go out and get yourself a mic, it's only a few bucks?" the convo went on for about 15 minutes, and it was all him trying to convince me. I didnt feel that i had to justify my values, or enter a philosophical discussion. i did anyway, but it didnt end so well. i renew my account, try to get into another corp, and same BS. my first question is this: why cant i play WITH, and not play with in order to BE? my thing is...i dont want to get to know you. i dont particularly like speaking to people whose faces i dont know over the phone. this is why im not a telemarketer. i certainly dont want to have to sell myself by allowing others to "get to know me" in order to enjoy this game in its full entirety. for me, this isnt a conduit through which i will form meaningful and/or lasting connections. i want to play. my second question: what if i was a mute, or deaf? the people that i speak to like to say that im shy...but this isnt the case; i work in a very social profession. in addition, i went through all the normal developmental processes, and have what you may consider a normal life for a young adult. but what if I couldnt hear or speak? sometimes I wish people assumed this about me, for the purposes of playing this game. the thing is, people aren't willing to compromise by at least acknowledging my values. i acknowledge theirs. for pvp ops i say: i'll listen in. i understand that decisions need to be made quickly. but why am i considered a deviant because i dont want to get to know you? ive been on TS before, i HAVE a mic. but 1) i dont want to listen to sad drunken asshats; this is not my idea of a party 2) 70% of the time, i cant make out what people are saying due to static/volume issues 3) i cant understand half the accents out there. 4) most importantly, i dont want to get to know anyone, or make "meaningful" connections with people that i will never meet. this is my value, but no one seems to want to respect that. but I have to respect everyone else's. While I do acknowledge what your trying to say about the annoyances I would point out that I have met some very good real life friends in other countrys via the miracle of teamspeak/vent. We see each other about once a year and go out on a drunken rampage over a weekend, its a blast Sure, 98% of the people you speak to you will probably not like, not care about and the like, but I doubt you will find any other mechanism that allows you to make foreign friends as easily as this. Also, you might pick up a new language ;)
Yuri VanKaer	Posted - 2008.12.31 09:56:00 - [115] Originally by: P'uck Edited by: P''uck on 31/12/2008 09:49:30 A lot of fleets would be MORE successful if ONLY the FC had a mic Couldn't agree more.
Bumbum George	Posted - 2008.12.31 10:01:00 - [116] Originally by: Roymundo why would i feel compelled to go and spend my hard earned cash on a mic if i new beforehand that this would be the case? So you're telling me there are people on the intertubes playing online multiplayer games who don't own a mic?? STFU NOOB, I don't believe you!
The AEther	Posted - 2008.12.31 10:24:00 - [117] Communication is pretty important in pvp and like other posters have stated if it is going one way your gang is put at a somewhat of a disadvantage. It is difficult for FC to have all his attention turned to what is being said over Vent/TS and at the same time absorb information that is being typed. However, you should not be forced to use Vent/TS to socialize with people in EVE when you do not want to do it. And I agree there are several problems with voice comms - static, accents, people with very loud mics and mics that you can barely hear, and yes, perhaps you don't want to hear four letter words every 20 seconds or you just want to listen to some music while playing EVE. However you can strike a reasonable compromise - let your CEO know that you will be on voice comms when it is important, for pvp for example, but that you are not interested in hanging around for general chat. If he has problems with the later I would say switch corps because there is really no logical reason for him to demand that of you.
PsychoBones Project Nemesis	Posted - 2008.12.31 10:24:00 - [118] Originally by: Tu Pham Because, to many of the social misfits who play this game, EVE is their main venue for forming personal relationships. It's the same in most MMOs, though EVE seems to attract a particularly low quality of player. Just looks around in this forum for five minutes... **** you.
Merdaneth Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.12.31 10:36:00 - [119] Use of voice in PvP: 85% FC 10% Scouts 5% others If you're not an FC or a scout, you can get by without a mic fine. As said before, FCs often yell at fleet members that talk during PvP ops. Voice in PvP is not a social tool, its a tactical tool. Saying voice is required for social bonds is liking saying people couldn't form social bonds in MMO's when voice was not commonplace. As for voice, I don't mind talking, but I tend to play casually, and do other things in between. With chat its simple to catch up on things if you're not at the computer all the time. With voice, I find it plain rude to keep dropping in and out of conversations, or appearing to ignore questions just because you are doing the laundry. Additionally, I simply dislike wearing a headset all the time. There is a reason people nowadays still use chat clients, text messages and the like even though they have easy and free access to voice communications. Think about it. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
T'rek	Posted - 2008.12.31 11:57:00 - [120] <generic adapt or die>We probably didn't want to hear your voice anyways and I'm glad I'm not in your corp.</generic adapt or die>

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