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edrenbaton2
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Posted - 2008.12.31 11:10:00 -
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Edited by: edrenbaton2 on 31/12/2008 11:10:24
GMs and gamedesigners: Are you guys really play EVE?
Im asking because i dont understand.
Mass PvP in EVE is boring. POS wars are boring.
Titans didnt kill the blobs, titans are helping to summon blobs.
No way to compel the enemy to fight. No need to learn how to fight, no need to learn skills - t1 trash drake (myrn, hurr) >> t2 ships.
Please tell me what are you doing during the 5-6-7 hours fleet opses? "waiting" operations? POS opses?
Are you plaing some casual games? Zuma? Bejeweled? Please please please tell me - i want to play it too.
P.S. Sorry if my question looks like something nasty for you - i know you are working hard :).
P.P.S. Average daily online was 30 000-35 000 at jan 2008.
Now the have the same number. Please think about it. And please give this number you lead game designer - he really need to know!
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Xol'tan
Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2008.12.31 11:18:00 -
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Come try fw biggest gang ive seen was 50ish usualy about 10-20 and there are limits as to what sized ships can enter certain plexs so even a t1 frigate can have a go.
Forget about ppl slating it as noob pvp it beats pos repping or bubble induced comas.
As for the quality of fight you can get it varies greatly from 1 newb in a rifter to 20 RR BS with logistics and ECM also you can find gangs of 30+ veto and snigg regular.
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Dasquirrel715
Gallente
Justified Hedonism And Dualism
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Posted - 2008.12.31 11:21:00 -
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I think I have the cure. I think if you go and play every aspect of EVE PVP you'll keep yourself entertained. I started off helping my friend in 0.0 by using my tristan to kill frigs while he popped BS's in his raven. Once I could tackle, I was doing fleet ops in a frigate, later a cruiser. Ratting when there was no fleet op, I would JUMP at the opportunity to do a POS shot. Why? Because teamspeak was fun, and because I hadn't seen a big POS shot ever, and there's always the chance of getting some real PVP pewpew during one. That alone was enough for me. Let's just say that career was ended forefully. Now I'm doing highsec lure-n-ganks with my alt while I mission this this char. I think eventually I'll try out faction warfare, although it seems to be like 0.0 with plexes instead of POS's.
Hell, I even enjoy MINING sometimes...
If you're staying in 0.0, try doing a mix of fleet ops. Gather up a roaming HAC or even frigate gang (whatever it takes to scare the poo out of your enemies' miners/ratters/whatevers and force them to blob you), then do some POS shots, try to tag along to as many fleet ops as you can.
If they're ALL getting boring, maybe it's time to move to lowsec roaming solo, or highsec lurenganks, or even trading can be fun sometimes, and very profitable. I think missioning is fun in small doses if you realize that your ship is tanking an insane amount of other ships, and hit ctrl tab and just watch the pretty-ness happen as your sentry drones eat away at the naughty sansha or whatever.
Also try faction warfare, and work on starting better conversations in your 0.0 TS fun.
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Harrent
Caldari
The Leathernecks
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Posted - 2008.12.31 13:44:00 -
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Eve is evolving. You will see many changes (such as the speed patch) that makes PVP viable for smaller gangs and tactics need to be used.
The biggest thing in Eve is that it is what you make it. You dont HAVE to participate in BLOB wars and you dont NEED to fit a T1 Trash drake, myrn, hurricane, or other ship to fight. There is always Pirating, selling, mining, and other activities for you to do.
How about you create your own corporation and thereby put your skillpoints to use (as apparently there is no point in training them) so that you can develop you OWN type of combat.
The closest ive seen to this is the Suddenly Ninja's Corp recently that have created their own small group PVP that they enjoy.
Think outside the box and stop comforming to it.
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2008.12.31 15:32:00 -
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My biggest "heart-racer" so far was throwing a Navy Slicer into a flock of 5 rebel Rifters and coming out alive with just one escapee (damn scrambler cycle timing .. grrrrr).
PvP is not a null-sec commodity you know, FW offers a completely different experience. No money in it, but good fun most of the time.
Titans did counter the blob for a few months, then people got used to them and started plating fleet ships to high heaven to prevent DD death.
Now DD proofing is no longer possible with all the damn Titans around so it has largely given way to blind obedience to warp-out order on comms.
No point in complaining about the boring nature of blob-fleet fights, just find something else to do. Just like you wouldn't complain about Tic-Tac-Toe being boring either, but move onto checkers or something else entirely.
Eve is probably the most versatile game around, in that anything goes within a broadly defined area (aka. The Sandbox).
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General Coochie
The Bastards
The Bastards.
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Posted - 2009.01.01 11:46:00 -
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Yeah massive PvP is boring. So why bother with it? Do something else. Its not like massive PvP is the only thing you can do in this game.
Also I think we should all be happy the amount of ppl playing hasn't reached 75-100k I think its a bit to crowded all ready.
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edrenbaton2
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Posted - 2009.01.04 13:50:00 -
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"Try mining! try fw! ratting! try every aspect of EVE!" lol. Guys are you working in CCP? :)
No, you have no cure. I'll explain.
What thing makes EVE to be the best?
Ratting? Mining? May be missions in hi-sec? Faction Wars?
The only thing makes EVE Online to be EVE online - is the ultimate fleet PvP. Allianses vs Allinses. Hundreds of real pilots versus thousands.
The war of minds.
Do you agree?
Lets talk about current 0.0 wars.
The only way to win the war - just spam more POSs. Just bright the biggest blob.
No need to use mind. No need to plan the operations.
You have blob - you have "win" button.
BTW is doesnt mean you will fight. you will fight if enemy have the biggest blod.
And you war experience, you understanding of situation doesnt matter.
very funny.
You says - try to use small gangs.
No tasks for small gangs instead of single hunter killing are in EvE now.
Im not talking about killing noobs in low-sec, of couse.
Someone from dev teams says "small gangs are fun". He is right. Sorry, he WAS right because small gangs are killd by GD now.
Fighting of nano-gangs was the most goodly fights in eve. It was beautiful. It was amazing.
Now you dont need to use very expensive ship with faction modules to kill someone.
Now you can kill the single hunter using the t1 trash. Thats all. NO more tasks for small gangs are available.
You says - try faction warfare. To do it i have to leave my alliance with every days CTA, leave my brothers in arms, break all my "career" and join the militia.
How many peaple are in FW now? 100? 200? No, thanks. Secong account didnt solve the problem - every CTA is a several grind hours. A lot of us have a real life too :)
"The biggest thing in Eve is that it is what you make it."
Thanks for explanation. Please read above.
"so that you can develop you OWN type of combat"
man when you was fighting last time? no any own types of combat anymore.
only one fight type is available now - Ganking of single hunter.
The fights 5 vs 5, 10 vs 10 are very rare now.
i have about 1 thousand of kills. Im in one of top-5 killing corporation. i know what im talking about.
ALSO. Its important.
Im talking - the mass PvP is boring. Sovereignty system bases on POSes is boring.
You are talking - "try all aspect".
Firts of all - done. I know almost every aspect :)
we have a lot of people who wants mass pvpv only.
Or may be current mass pvp situation is the method to compel the people to try every aspect?
THe game have no progress in number of active pilots for 2008.
Its the only just fair criterion.
Think about it.
P.S. I dont like people which can criticize only.
Do you know - is any chance to suggest some ideas to dev team? are they read this forum?
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Jokus Balim
Minmatar
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2009.01.04 16:57:00 -
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Edited by: Jokus Balim on 04/01/2009 16:58:07
Do I see that right? You rant about being a frontline grunt in a war of attrition, but that's the only play style worth considering. Well, you chose this play sytle. There are lots of others. If they are not viable for you, it's not CCP's fault.
It's a common misconception that 0.0 is "endgame", since there is no EVE Online endgame.
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UMEE
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Posted - 2009.01.05 06:33:00 -
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tbh i want all the capital ship users to stay in their silly 0.0 game. FW is where it's at. small gangs, roaming, pvp on demand.
capital ships shouldnt really be in players' hands. they should be summonable units at most, or something controlled by npcs for the wow-cool-thats-a-big-ship factor. or just keep this kinda game in 0.0 where those who want to can participate in boring-ass blob engagements.
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Neesmah
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.06 18:21:00 -
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If you don't like the game, don't play it.
If you want to do new things, do new things, i have a hard time believing that you have tried every aspect of eve.
Your excuse for not doing other things seems to be wanting to remain in your current corp, well if staying in that corp is making the game boring for you, then perhaps its not right for you? alligiences or not.
I realise im a relativly new player, so have numerous areas of eve that im yet to explore, but ive changed paths numerous times now, ive been a mission runner, a miner, a hauler, tried my hand at solo pvp, but you seem to have picked a play style and are intent on keeping to it, whether you enjoy it or not. Eve is a game, enjoy it, dont feel tied to do things you don't want to in it
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Salliene
Gallente
Terracorp Technologies
Dark Trinity Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.06 18:28:00 -
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 Originally by: edrenbaton2
The only thing makes EVE Online to be EVE online - is the ultimate fleet PvP. Allianses vs Allinses. Hundreds of real pilots versus thousands.
The war of minds.
Do you agree?
Wrong.
What makes EVE EVE is the fact that you can do LOTS of stuff. YOU might find the idea of hundreds of ships locked in battle to be fun, but that doesn't mean that everyone finds enjoyment in doing that. Large fleet battles are rare, so if everyone in EVE was only playing for that reason, then no one would be playing!
You have played the game for a long time apparently, and it is growing stale for you. That happens. MMORPGs cannot be realistically designed to keep everyone entertained forever. You can't tailor a game to be all things to all people, and trying to do so will just hurt you more (I'm looking at you EverQuest). You (the game designer) find the audience you want, and you design the game for them. Everyone else can go find something else to do.
People play MMORPGs for months, even years, and soon decades. If you create a game that keeps even one person happy for 5 years you are doing something right.
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paddytehpyro
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2009.01.06 21:25:00 -
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If you dont like the massive blobs in 0.0 just leave and do something you enjoy. Its not overly difficult.
The closest thing I have come to PvP on demand is FW. Just get a nice cheap ship, head to the nearest hot spot (Tama, OMS etc...) and have some fun. Within a few minutes you can find a WT of a flashy pie ready for a fight. Plex a bit for some isk and the chance of more PvP if you like.
Join up to FW blob if you want something bigger, or start a small fast gang to roam.
Imo, 0.0 alliance wars are just another way to play eve.
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Hypher
Two Brothers Mining Corp.
Kraftwerk.
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Posted - 2009.01.07 04:10:00 -
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Try doing solo pvp if you dont like blobs. Its honestly not that hard. I know every night i will be able to find several lone targets. You just have to bother looking for them. Set a destination 30 some jumps away and go in a frigate. You would be surprised by what you find if you actually bother to look.
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Burn Mac
Minmatar
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2009.01.07 10:17:00 -
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Im really good at Zuma
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adriaans
Amarr
Ankaa.
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Posted - 2009.01.07 12:42:00 -
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blobs don't win fights, i see time and time again good players defeat superior odds.
anyways on to the fun pvp part, i don't like the 0.0 blobfest either, this is the kind of pvp i enjoy, maybe you might enjoy it to (at least consider trying it): I literally live in low sec, i don't participate in faction warfare, i prefer to have more targets , what i (and my corp do) is solo/small gang skirmish warfare, lately i've come to starting to do small gang skirmishes in 0.0 too. sure both low sec and 0.0 got blobs (0.0 mainly) but part of the fun is trying to avoid them or splitting them up (yes I/we are ''kinda'' suicidal  ). there's other pvp than blobs  this type of pvp has no real booring aspect 90% of the time, no pos shooting etc.
btw, don't say the above is not possible, my corp as well as several others i know manage just fine
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