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E Prime	Posted - 2008.12.31 12:39:00 - [1] Edited by: E Prime on 31/12/2008 12:39:22 Anyone read it yet? And what did you think of it? I'm almost halfway and it's just super. I like the view of the different factions and how you feel it all comes together, some moments I lose track of time and find myself reading for hours. congratz to the writer of this nice novel and tho I havent read the whole story, I hope there comes a second novel :) greetz
Firkragg Blue Labs Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.12.31 14:54:00 - [2] literally just picked it up today. I quite enjoyed it although alot of the plot was already known to me as play the game and read chronicles and stuff like that but still good. If you notice as you go through the book the scene changes come faster and faster so it feels like the pace gets faster and faster which is quite a nice approach.
Stitcher Caldari Duty.	Posted - 2008.12.31 23:45:00 - [3] Edited by: Stitcher on 31/12/2008 23:46:09 I think the resounding answer to the first question is going to be "yes", seeing as it's been out for... what? Six, seven months? There's a lot of people out there who don't like it. I did. I've read a lot of sci-fi in my time, and while TonyG didn't exactly produce a Dan Simmons job, I have to say he produced a damn fine effort for his first shot at writing a novel. Be warned though, this post is IBTFL (In Before the Flame). It will happen. My guess is that it's going to be Rodj Blake again. - Captain Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain.
Gramaton Cleric	Posted - 2009.01.02 04:19:00 - [4] I will be buying it when I get back from holiday. looking forward to reading it to be honest. Seems to get a good review.
Eftim S'Jet	Posted - 2009.01.02 15:32:00 - [5] Personally I found his story well written. It's not a masterpiece but it is good. I only had a major problem with the basic plot. Too much Deus Ex Machina I believe. Some characters are also too unimaginative. Heth is as stereotypical as he can get, and I think too similar to a historical personality we all hate today. The other character that helped him got on my nerves through sheer "I can do anything, anytime, anywhere" - that was a very bad idea as well, he makes all the empires' intelligence comparable to nursery children, a big mistake. The Matari/Amarr side on the other hand had some nicer done characters, albeit somewhat unidimensional as well, and a thought out plot that satisfied in the end. In short, the book is good, it reads like a really big collection of chronicles (which is what most of us probably wanted). It's problem is that it tries to tell too much in too few pages (and it's not exactly a small book). I think it would be better if Tony would try to flesh it out in an episodical manner, developing the characters to a point where we start to feel something for them. It would also help in releasing smaller books more often, we wouldn't have to wait for years for the next tome to be printed. Still, I'm looking forward to the next books :)
Dex Nederland Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems	Posted - 2009.01.02 16:42:00 - [6] Originally by: Stitcher Be warned though, this post is IBTFL (In Before the Flame). It will happen. My guess is that it's going to be Rodj Blake again. Prove you wrong? A lot of the RP community is dissatisfied with what happened in May/June of 2008, the novel, and the authors ignorance of previous Prime Fiction (see Fanfest videos, "Who knew the Caldari had tube children?"). To read what they think, I suggest searching for older threads. In-Game Browser : http://ldis.caldari-made.net
Stitcher Caldari Duty.	Posted - 2009.01.02 17:43:00 - [7] Dex, if you can remember every last minutium of the PF with perfect accuracy, I will give you three hundred million ISK. Nobody can. I can't remember the details of every bloodline/career and their flavour texts. Other people out there who can remember those things might not have the same memory as me for, say, Caldanese. You and I rarely see eye-to-eye, both in-character and out, but I really do think you're too harsh. - Captain Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain.
Dex Nederland Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems	Posted - 2009.01.02 18:16:00 - [8] Originally by: Stitcher Dex, if you can remember every last minutium of the PF with perfect accuracy, I will give you three hundred million ISK. Nobody can. I can't remember the details of every bloodline/career and their flavour texts. Other people out there who can remember those things might not have the same memory as me for, say, Caldanese. You and I rarely see eye-to-eye, both in-character and out, but I really do think you're too harsh. You and I are not paid to know and write the PF; it is not our jobs. Tony_G from my understanding is. He isn't the first Sci-Fi setting author to draw the anger of the pre-existing community established around it; he won't be the last. I was mentioning some of the concerns many others have had. You want a review or some really harsh treatment - go read a few Chatsubo threads on it. Mine is mild. I never could get into the book to be honest, I did not finish it and as such have not reviewed the book itself. The storyline presented in news articles, I have had some issues with but have tired to roll with them. IC, Dex and Verin aren't likely to agree; they come from competing megacorporations with different world views and represent those views fairly well. OOC, have we disagreed on anything other than the quality of Eve Novel? In-Game Browser : http://ldis.caldari-made.net
Stitcher Caldari Duty.	Posted - 2009.01.02 21:30:00 - [9] Edited by: Stitcher on 02/01/2009 21:30:22 Originally by: Dex Nederland OOC, have we disagreed on anything other than the quality of Eve Novel? A couple things, here and there - mostly I don't mention it though. I figure the world would be a pretty dull place if everyone agreed on everything all the time - live and let live. In any case... in my experience, some of the truest experts on a given setting, especially in sci-fi, are the fans. Just think of the army of Trekkies out there whose technical knowledge of fictional starships is near-absolute. You know, the ones lampooned in "Galaxy Quest", various episodes of "The Simpsons" and so on. Why do you think Star Trek hired a team of fans to make sure the technobabble remains consistent? Better yet... what do you think the EVElopedia project's for? That said, even the most rabid nerd whose interests and private life revolve around understanding the minutiae of a setting can't hope to memorize it all. Sometimes, you get surprisingly big fish swimming through the holes in the net. Especially when, as with EVE, there are a lot of inconsistencies here and there. When the whole PF is a patchwork quilt, you can't expect everything to be perfect 100% of the time. Listening to him speak at Fanfest, TonyG struck me as a guy who's passionate about his job and loves doing what he does, but I'd call it massively unfair to demand that he know every last tiny detail. It's a big enough PF that just about anything can fit in if you're flexible. Sure, I didn't like "Caldarians" either, but then again I don't like mushrooms. Their presence doesn't stop me enjoying an otherwise delicious pizza. And yeah, I've seen the stuff on Chatsubo. There's a damn good reason I've not shared my opinion over there - I'd rather my friewnds didn't have to endure scraping my flame-grilled corpse out of my chair. - Captain Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain.
Dex Nederland Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems	Posted - 2009.01.03 04:17:00 - [10] I mainly thought it important to point out there are those who found it lacking in many areas. As I said, I didn't finish it; couldn't get into it. Likely in large part to realizing it doesn't actually help me enjoy the game anymore (may even hurt my RP) and dealing with the rabid discussion on Chatsubo. In-Game Browser : http://ldis.caldari-made.net
Sepherim Amarr Ordo Quaesitoris	Posted - 2009.01.03 19:58:00 - [11] I found it severily lacking in many areas, specially for the second half. As you say, events start gathering pace and momentum... until they reach a limit where they loose all credibility. The Broker is everywhere, knows anything and everything, and no matter how powerful you may be, he can dispose of you in dozens of ways you can't prevent. The Empress can read minds and speak directly to them solar systems away, and has been built to be near-perfect. The Elders aren't so perfect, but know all that can be known of the Republic, even things no one could possibly know, and all Minmatarr politics and personnel are left as stupids. As you see, the problem is not the writing (which is nicely done, nothing specially incredible, but works out well) or in a massive PF knowledge, but on how the story is developped. If you look back at it, it's a story that is impossible without all the demigods walking around. Story is going one way, and since we know it has to go in another direction, a Deus Ex comes in and pushes it, and off it goes until anotherone pushes it in another direction. Things like the ex-terrorist group turned massive intelligence agency that overwhelms easily all Gallente dispositions in just a couple weeks is so... Ordo Quaesitoris Forum
Stitcher Caldari Duty.	Posted - 2009.01.03 20:49:00 - [12] Given that the plot is about powerful individuals manipulating the flow of history in a way that would not otherwise happen, I fail to see the problem. - Captain Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain.
Eftim S'Jet	Posted - 2009.01.05 01:45:00 - [13] Powerful individuals is one thing, but powerful demigods is another. Merging the two is over-stretching even to a child.
Stitcher Caldari Duty.	Posted - 2009.01.05 12:23:00 - [14] Originally by: Eftim S'Jet Powerful individuals is one thing, but powerful demigods is another. Merging the two is over-stretching even to a child. Guess we need to go back in time and tell Homer that the "Iliad" sucked, then.... - Captain Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain.
Melichor Duraldi Gallente Fourth Circle Infinite Innovation	Posted - 2009.01.07 00:29:00 - [15] I've read the book a couple of times and like it. Although I do like it I feel that there are some things that kinda killed the RP setting such as Jamyls telepathy ability (try RPing a telepathic character on the summit ) and calling the Caldari "Caldarians" (I personally shuddered everytime I read it) but then again the problem with coming out with a novel based on a game as deep as Eve is a very hard task, you are not going to please everyone... But could they have delved more into the Gallentean storyline for gods sake, I feel like Gallente RP was hurt most by the novel due to the complete stereotyping. "Oh hi I am a gallentean pilot, time for me to go get laid"...please
Stitcher Caldari Duty.	Posted - 2009.01.07 11:05:00 - [16] Originally by: Melichor Duraldi I've read the book a couple of times and like it. Although I do like it I feel that there are some things that kinda killed the RP setting such as Jamyls telepathy ability TonyG had a good response for that one at fanfest: "how is Jamyl doing it? Clue's in the Genre." EVE is a Science fiction setting >Science Fiction setting >Science Fiction > - Captain Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain.
Pottsey Enheduanni Foundation	Posted - 2009.01.08 10:56:00 - [17] Melichor Duraldi said ôAlthough I do like it I feel that there are some things that kinda killed the RP setting such as Jamyls telepathy abilityö Jamyl is hardly the first case of telepathy in Eve fiction. I donÆt recall anyone being upset last time. What did Tony do wrong with ôWho knew the Caldari had tube children?" ____ Telltale sign of their presence is non-linear teleportation (www.eve-online.com/races/theodicy/Theodicy_All.pdf)
Kyoko Sakoda Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2009.01.08 10:58:00 - [18] Originally by: Stitcher TonyG had a good response for that one at fanfest: "how is Jamyl doing it? Clue's in the Genre." EVE is a Science fiction setting >Science Fiction setting >Science Fiction >SCIENCE I remember this. It was a great response. I have a theory on it too, but I'm not telling. Eve Radio - Playing Music To The Masses!
Anddeh McNab Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2009.01.08 13:50:00 - [19] I read it and liked it. Jamyl's telepathy irked me at first but now I have a few theories of my own. Overall it was a nice insight into the actual goings on in the EVE universe, especially the nature of capsuleer's and their place in society. As well as some tasty, tasty background lore, or more specifically hints to it. The only bad thing I can say about it is the apparent lack of an ending. I know it's meant to be an introduction into the Empyrean Age but I'd still like to know what happens to everyone. There is the odd bit about Jamyl or Heth in the news but what about the rest of the Retford crew (what class of ship was that btw, I never did work it out) or even the broker? _______________________________________________ "Everyone knows that Amarr BS's only have high slots, low slots and Cap Recharger II slots."
Dex Nederland Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems	Posted - 2009.01.08 14:56:00 - [20] Originally by: Pottsey What did Tony do wrong with ôWho knew the Caldari had tube children?" From my understanding, it is the fact he was wholly unaware of something that anyone entering the game might base their own story on. When someone picks up the game, the initial setting they are introduced to is in character creation, with its bits and pieces of knowledge. For the player community that is the only place some of that information is located. For someone working in CCP, on the story itself, not having this information readily available when writing about the Caldari/Deteris seems like a poor achieve/research. Saying he hadn't made a Caldari character in a long time isn't a good excuse in the eyes of some. He shouldn't have to, he should have this kind of information available to him from a source other than character creation; in a binder that says "Caldari" for example. In-Game Browser : http://ldis.caldari-made.net
Vieve Tisserand Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.01.08 15:49:00 - [21] Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda Originally by: Stitcher TonyG had a good response for that one at fanfest: "how is Jamyl doing it? Clue's in the Genre." EVE is a Science fiction setting >Science Fiction setting >Science Fiction >SCIENCE I remember this. It was a great response. I have a theory on it too, but I'm not telling. concentrates Hmmmmm. Transmitters in the brains of the people she communicated with, a la whatever the rogue drones use to communicate with one another? If I remember correctly, she wasn't able to talk to those people anymore after they'd died and been recloned.
Nuuskur	Posted - 2009.01.08 16:48:00 - [22] Originally by: Vieve Tisserand Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda Originally by: Stitcher TonyG had a good response for that one at fanfest: "how is Jamyl doing it? Clue's in the Genre." EVE is a Science fiction setting >Science Fiction setting >Science Fiction >SCIENCE I remember this. It was a great response. I have a theory on it too, but I'm not telling. concentrates Hmmmmm. Transmitters in the brains of the people she communicated with, a la whatever the rogue drones use to communicate with one another? If I remember correctly, she wasn't able to talk to those people anymore after they'd died and been recloned. I wonder which faction produces those all popular energy grid and capacitor improvement implants...
Nai Weil Caldari Tupperware Party	Posted - 2009.01.08 18:32:00 - [23] Edited by: Nai Weil on 08/01/2009 18:35:50 Originally by: Anddeh McNab I read it and liked it. Jamyl's telepathy irked me at first but now I have a few theories of my own. Overall it was a nice insight into the actual goings on in the EVE universe, especially the nature of capsuleer's and their place in society. As well as some tasty, tasty background lore, or more specifically hints to it. The only bad thing I can say about it is the apparent lack of an ending. I know it's meant to be an introduction into the Empyrean Age but I'd still like to know what happens to everyone. There is the odd bit about Jamyl or Heth in the news but what about the rest of the Retford crew (what class of ship was that btw, I never did work it out) or even the broker? SPOILERS (warning) Yeah, it's a great book, but I'm not sure anyone who doesn't play EVE will appreciate the lack of closure at the end. Eve news means so much more to me now.. Just today, Karsoth was finally captured by the Khanid during their invasion of Blood Raider space (not sure if they saved Camoul Hinda or not, but they probably will so that there'll be a very strong witness against him). Finally appreciated why the Gallenteans burned Admiral Eturrer alive last week, although I'm not sure whether there was any news on the investigation against him and how they found evidence to get him. Heth, afaik, is still in charge in Caldari as of today, and I don't recall any news about the Broker (although with him, it's unlikely there'll be any public news. I thought for a moment that the Jovian in the last chapter was the Broker). According to the book, the Retford was a Lynx-class frigate - haven't a clue what frigate it is myself.. I kind of loved the characters and searched EVE for them, and found quite a few who exist in character database. A funny goof is that Otro Gariushi is Civire, while Kinachi Hepimeki (Mila Gariushi) is Deteis... =) I really hope CCP re-do some of those portraits, though.. some of them don't look classy enough. One thing I wondered was what really happened when Victor Eliade's Purifier miscalculated the bomb radius and didn't take out all the rogue drones with his single bomb, and the rest suddenly blew up by themselves. Was that part ever explained? The book also had a lot of typos.. more of a QC problem rather than Tony's but it kind of put a blemish on a very good story.
Huyai Tsukurit Caldari Distillery	Posted - 2009.01.09 00:25:00 - [24] Originally by: Eftim S'Jet Powerful individuals is one thing, but powerful demigods is another. Merging the two is over-stretching even to a child. I thought the title "Empyrean Age" might have hinted on this. It seems that the EVE usage of the word Empyrean leans towards demigodish being rather than the more literal "sky" or "heavens" reference. Maybe a little more focus on the core PF might asuage some of the concerns people have over the super human elements of the story. Ultimately, every capsuleer is a tad above average wouldn't you say?
InSaNe ViRuS Crusaders of Darkness Interstellar Forces	Posted - 2009.01.09 17:57:00 - [25] I enjoyed the book, every single time I read it. I like how it gave a description of all four races and a sliver of the Jove empire. How the war started, oh I never saw that coming. 'The Broker' was an amazing character in the book and is entirely plausible. I like the book gave somewhat of an insight to how the ships operate and give the inkling of the size of a mothership and titan. Describing the rib cage of the Ragnarok make my spine shiver. I think more books should follow this and possible even a movie to give a better description of how the four races came into contact with each other and the first war before all was dissolved to a form of "peace." The entire book was amazing, showed aspects of all versions of pilots both high and low. I hope more is to follow. *InSaNe ViRuS*
Stitcher Caldari legion of qui Southern Connection	Posted - 2009.01.09 20:44:00 - [26] Edited by: Stitcher on 09/01/2009 20:44:15 Originally by: Nai Weil One thing I wondered was what really happened when Victor Eliade's Purifier miscalculated the bomb radius and didn't take out all the rogue drones with his single bomb, and the rest suddenly blew up by themselves. Was that part ever explained? Those drones were all carrying a payload of the same highly volatile substance used to power Sarum's superweapon. Here's the quote: Quote: "A perfect sphere of nuclear death engulfed half of the swarm. But then, for no reason that Victor could discern at first, the remaining drones - *all, he realized, which bore the mysterious blue substance on their appendages* - detonated as well, each one obliterated in spectacular blue-white explosions. Emphasis mine. The explanation's right there in the same sentence describing their explosion. I don't mean to be harsh, mate, but you REALLY must not have been paying much attention if you missed that. - Captain Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain.
Nai Weil Caldari Tupperware Party	Posted - 2009.01.10 05:06:00 - [27] Originally by: Stitcher Edited by: Stitcher on 09/01/2009 20:44:15 Originally by: Nai Weil One thing I wondered was what really happened when Victor Eliade's Purifier miscalculated the bomb radius and didn't take out all the rogue drones with his single bomb, and the rest suddenly blew up by themselves. Was that part ever explained? Those drones were all carrying a payload of the same highly volatile substance used to power Sarum's superweapon. Here's the quote: Quote: "A perfect sphere of nuclear death engulfed half of the swarm. But then, for no reason that Victor could discern at first, the remaining drones - *all, he realized, which bore the mysterious blue substance on their appendages* - detonated as well, each one obliterated in spectacular blue-white explosions. Emphasis mine. The explanation's right there in the same sentence describing their explosion. I don't mean to be harsh, mate, but you REALLY must not have been paying much attention if you missed that. It makes perfect sense now that you've explained it, thanks. The causation wasn't really implied in that sentence, but subsequent events should have put two and two together. That's what I get for reading 4 hours non-stop until 6am. =)
Shae Tiann Hellcats The Bastards.	Posted - 2009.01.10 16:27:00 - [28] I finally found a copy in a bookstore which hadn't been shrinkwrapped in plastic. I couldn't keep reading after the first page and a half, it just didn't catch interest fast enough. /2p --------------------------------- Sweet Little Bad Girl
Hriskarr Jwolsky Minmatar Far Sun Trading Inc.	Posted - 2009.01.10 19:24:00 - [29] Up to page 238, just short of being halfway through the book, and while I admit I haven't exactly immersed myself in the lore of EVE (although I want to), I feel that the book has given me a damn good insight. One thing I want to know however, does the book take place within the same EVE time period as the Empyrean Age expansion? Or is it based on earlier events?
Nai Weil Caldari Tupperware Party	Posted - 2009.01.10 21:18:00 - [30] Originally by: Hriskarr Jwolsky Up to page 238, just short of being halfway through the book, and while I admit I haven't exactly immersed myself in the lore of EVE (although I want to), I feel that the book has given me a damn good insight. One thing I want to know however, does the book take place within the same EVE time period as the Empyrean Age expansion? Or is it based on earlier events? Just before the EA expansion. The book will cover all the backstories of the Empyrean Age settings, and the end of the book is effectively the beginning of the Empyrean Age expansion.

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