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Lexander Morinex Caldari LDD Investments	Posted - 2009.01.01 01:55:00 - [1] Edited by: Lexander Morinex on 01/01/2009 01:55:44 Okay, time to release this bad boy in the early, crappy alpha test stage. Reprocessing Calculator 0.8.0 Note #1: It might not work at all, it might crash, you might have endless troubles. This is an alpha test and I certainly hope to hear comments so I can fix the problems. Hopefully you will find this useful. Now, I have no manuals, and probably won't be finishing any for awhile. This whole thing is basically a side project of mine to learn C#. So it requires the .NET Framework to work. If you can't use the Framework, then sadly this won't be of much use. I don't intend to port it to other platforms or any such. I need to be good at .NET for work reasons, so this gives me an interesting way to learn. So, to the basics. There are three tab panels. Tab One: The first one is the one that tells you what things are worth. On the left hand side is the market grouping. This is intended to let you follow along with the market screen. In later additions there will be an additional selection for items that you can't buy on the market, but so far I haven't found many that are worth the trouble. The upper right hand side tells you the list of items that you could reprocess. The first value is the perfect value which is what you would get with no loss. The actual value is the 'average' amount you will get after reprocessing. This is not an exact number but an average. Due to the way reprocessing works you can do better than this when dealing with small quantities. The lower right hand side breaks down the reprocessing values into specific components. This is intended to let you figure out what items you will be getting and how much they are worth. These are the 'perfect' values before loss. Tab Two: In this tab you specify your important reprocessing skills, the quality of the station you are in, your station standing when reprocessing, and the effectiveness of any implants. Tab Three: In this tab you specify the value of the reprocessed items. It defaults to only showing minerals, but you can add salvageable components for salvage reprocessing, and modules for cases were you get modules. You specify the price for each item, and it will calculate the appropriate values on the first tab. Anyhow, this is not nearly enough documentation, it might crash in all kinds of horrible ways, but this is an alpha test. The one sad rule of programming I have always run into is that I can't catch my own bugs, so help is needed. Now, I figure I will just offer this monster out for donations. Hopefully you will find it useful. If not, let me know. - Lexander Morinex
Lexander Morinex Caldari LDD Investments	Posted - 2009.01.01 03:53:00 - [2] Apparently I recently added the bug that didn't calculate the perfect reprocessing value correctly. That should now be fixed in 0.8.1 and the link is updated. - Lexander Morinex
Kitchie Gallente Kitchie's Logistics and Marketing Corp	Posted - 2009.01.01 04:59:00 - [3] I haven't thrashed it but that's a nice little proggie and seems to work fine. Definitely better than my Excel spread sheet that I can now retire! If a wishlist is allowed two things cropped up immediately: 1) Search. There are times that I cannot remember where an item is listed 2) Ability to add quantity of items so that total min value/quantity of a stack is shown as well. I'll make a donation if that helps oil the Service Pack releases Kitchie
Petyr Baelich Taggart Transdimensional Virtue of Selfishness	Posted - 2009.01.01 05:03:00 - [4] Excellent program. You should be selling this; why do you not value your own time and programming skills?
Lexander Morinex Caldari LDD Investments	Posted - 2009.01.01 05:16:00 - [5] Originally by: Petyr Baelich Excellent program. You should be selling this; why do you not value your own time and programming skills? I do value my own time. But I don't value ISK that highly. A bit back I scanned a bit to see if people were interested. I thought about trying to sale this but I am not sure how much I could make, and there is some value in giving back to the community. As it is, the experience gained in RL has kept my family fed and allowed me to have a decent Xmas. - Lexander Morinex
Lexander Morinex Caldari LDD Investments	Posted - 2009.01.01 05:18:00 - [6] Originally by: Kitchie I haven't thrashed it but that's a nice little proggie and seems to work fine. Definitely better than my Excel spread sheet that I can now retire! If a wishlist is allowed two things cropped up immediately: 1) Search. There are times that I cannot remember where an item is listed Now that is probably a good idea. I have considered a 'favorites' list, but that will have to come later. Quote: 2) Ability to add quantity of items so that total min value/quantity of a stack is shown as well. On the list for later. Quote: I'll make a donation if that helps oil the Service Pack releases Kitchie I will say that I would be more active in maintaining the code if there was ISK involved. - Lexander Morinex
Petyr Baelich Taggart Transdimensional Virtue of Selfishness	Posted - 2009.01.01 05:48:00 - [7] Originally by: Lexander Morinex Originally by: Petyr Baelich Excellent program. You should be selling this; why do you not value your own time and programming skills? I do value my own time. But I don't value ISK that highly. A bit back I scanned a bit to see if people were interested. I thought about trying to sale this but I am not sure how much I could make, and there is some value in giving back to the community. As it is, the experience gained in RL has kept my family fed and allowed me to have a decent Xmas. - Lexander Morinex This is a good program. I'm going to use it to more easily make reprocessing decisions and streamline the way I produce some of my goods. This will save me countless hours of entering the mineral values for all of these items into a spreadsheet (the main reason I've never really done any homework on non meta-4 t1 items and just reprocessed them all if found as loot and ignored the ones already on the market). As such I find it valuable. I'm sending you ISK ingame for it, but I probably would have paid a much higher price if you'd marketed it.
Lexander Morinex Caldari LDD Investments	Posted - 2009.01.01 05:59:00 - [8] Originally by: Petyr Baelich This is a good program. I'm going to use it to more easily make reprocessing decisions and streamline the way I produce some of my goods. This will save me countless hours of entering the mineral values for all of these items into a spreadsheet (the main reason I've never really done any homework on non meta-4 t1 items and just reprocessed them all if found as loot and ignored the ones already on the market). As such I find it valuable. I'm sending you ISK ingame for it, but I probably would have paid a much higher price if you'd marketed it. I am glad you are liking it. Just keep me informed about what doesn't work, or what is buggy. I do recognize I could have squeezed more ISK out of the deal. In the end, I decided against it for a number of reasons which seemed good to me at the time. - Lexander Morinex
Kitchie Gallente Kitchie's Logistics and Marketing Corp	Posted - 2009.01.01 06:04:00 - [9] Originally by: Petyr Baelich {Spiel}... I'm sending you ISK ingame for it, but I probably would have paid a much higher price if you'd marketed it. Lol, You're in the right alliance then Petyr I've only just downloaded the program, given a small donation and, if the program proves to be robust, working well and with ongoing development, will be likely to increase the donation. Thanks Lexander!
Darwin's Market	Posted - 2009.01.01 06:41:00 - [10] My hunch on you was correct. Most excellent program, this will help a lot of people, while also frustrating others as they lose their edge in the reprocessing game. In the end, the Eve market will be better for it if enough people use it to profit. I respect your decision in making your work public and free 100m isk donation sent although I will not be using it anymore...

Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2009.01.01 12:27:00 - [11] Feature request: automatic price import using the eve-central xml feeds, as used in EFT and in a notable invention calculator app, made by Burchov. --- Can't afford that BPO? Look here. 20:1 mineral compression The EVE f@h team
Petyr Baelich Taggart Transdimensional Virtue of Selfishness	Posted - 2009.01.01 16:51:00 - [12] Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro Feature request: automatic price import using the eve-central xml feeds, as used in EFT and in a notable invention calculator app, made by Burchov. eve-central is great when you only need a rough idea of pricing such as when you are budgeting ships. With reprocessing you need exact values as your profit comes from reprocessing large volumes of (usually) slightly undervalued modules. If you add this feature, Lex, I suggest you add an option to disable it and manually enter mineral/salvage/component values as it is now.
Super Whopper I can Has Cheeseburger	Posted - 2009.01.01 16:59:00 - [13] Lovely tool, thank you very much.
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2009.01.01 19:00:00 - [14] Originally by: Petyr Baelich eve-central is great when you only need a rough idea of pricing such as when you are budgeting ships. With reprocessing you need exact values as your profit comes from reprocessing large volumes of (usually) slightly undervalued modules. I find that as so many people use the site, prices there are seldom more than a few hours out of date. The xml feed also returns the date on which each market record was submitted. --- Can't afford that BPO? Look here. 20:1 mineral compression The EVE f@h team
Lexander Morinex Caldari LDD Investments	Posted - 2009.01.01 19:24:00 - [15] Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro Originally by: Petyr Baelich eve-central is great when you only need a rough idea of pricing such as when you are budgeting ships. With reprocessing you need exact values as your profit comes from reprocessing large volumes of (usually) slightly undervalued modules. I find that as so many people use the site, prices there are seldom more than a few hours out of date. The xml feed also returns the date on which each market record was submitted. This feature is in theory part of a planned ability to add and manage several different prices, reflecting everything from 'best/worst' to 'Jita/Amarr/Rens' pricing. That just requires a bit more code but is part of the planned upgrades. Mainly it involves me getting under the hood of the DataGridView binding system and get at some of the more technical issues. When users can manage several different prices, one of the things I want them to be able to do is import prices from locations such as eve-central. I didn't include this in the earlier versions mainly because I wanted the 'core' to work correctly before feature creep began. I do think that allowing a user to externally load the prices would make some of the steps easier. For those of you who are currently using other methods to manage your reprocessing, how does this compare to those tools? - Lexander Morinex P.S. To all who have sent donations, I offer my thanks.
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2009.01.01 19:41:00 - [16] Have you looked at the eve-tycoon open beta? --- Can't afford that BPO? Look here. 20:1 mineral compression The EVE f@h team
Lui Kai Better Than You	Posted - 2009.01.01 20:44:00 - [17] Originally by: Lexander Morinex For those of you who are currently using other methods to manage your reprocessing, how does this compare to those tools? Wonderfully. My prime pleasure in this software is the cleanliness. So many other industry/mineral related apps are bogged down with an infinity of extemporaneous features when all someone typically needs is a quick lookup. If you ever make, or know someone who has made, a similarly clean building calculator - let us know :) ----------------
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.01.01 23:39:00 - [18] Clean and simple, I love it
karakter3	Posted - 2009.01.06 01:35:00 - [19] Real nice! I will send donation as weel if it can help push for some enhancement =)! Wish list: -Favorite list -Eve central mineral price import (option) -Sell price / % profit margin Thx for the tools!
Rillian Black Lance	Posted - 2009.01.06 02:00:00 - [20] Edited by: Rillian on 06/01/2009 02:01:48 Before I run this program I would like a mod to declare it virus/trojan free :> I did run a virus checker on it and it looks good ....but I am indeed of the paronoid type just the same.

Jana Delusional Interstellar Mining and Trade Corporation	Posted - 2009.01.06 19:41:00 - [21] Nice, I like it. Should help a little when working out the price I should be buying things for.
SencneS Amarr Rebellion Against big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2009.01.06 21:22:00 - [22] Nice app, it is clean and gives what you need. However, I would request that things like Freighters, that give Component amounts also break down into minerals. Maybe have an option - Use Mineral price or Componant price. Mineral price is it takes the minerals and multiples it out in the components then sets the component price to that. Lastly as a funny side note - How does one go about reprocessing a Titan, or Mothership or Rorqual :) Amarr for Life
Lexander Morinex Caldari LDD Investments	Posted - 2009.01.08 17:06:00 - [23] Sorry to take a bit to respond, but I haven't been available the past few days. Originally by: SencneS However, I would request that things like Freighters, that give Component amounts also break down into minerals. I believe I already did one check run, and I couldn't find any components from reprocessing that could further be broken down. But I might have done that incorrectly. Let me check that again. Quote: Lastly as a funny side note - How does one go about reprocessing a Titan, or Mothership or Rorqual :) Exactly the kind of thing I need spotted for the next releases. This data is retrieved by by SQL analysis of the exported database, using the activity type 6 (duplicating). I know for a fact that a few things in that database are wrong for reprocessing and have eliminated those as I can. Version 0.8.2 Planned Releases: A 'Favorites' section for recording things you like. Allowing (but not requiring) users to use several different prices (best/worst in Jita). The inclusion of ore. This will require expanding the skills to include all those reprocessing skills. I am going to set it up so that 'advanced' users can specify these skills while basic users don't have to bother. It is just a lot of extra skills. Version 0.8.3 Planned Releases: API Retrieval of player skills and abilities. Other stuff added as I get time and think about it, and the release plans are subject to change.
Loaby	Posted - 2009.01.08 17:45:00 - [24] nice one. make the favourites section managable (creation of folders and such as)
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2009.01.08 22:52:00 - [25] Originally by: SencneS Lastly as a funny side note - How does one go about reprocessing a Titan, or Mothership or Rorqual :) Rorquals can dock, and reimbursed supercapital ships end up in station hangars just like anything else, so don't leave them out. --- Can't afford that BPO? Look here. 20:1 mineral compression The EVE f@h team
SencneS Amarr Rebellion Against big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2009.01.09 00:08:00 - [26] Originally by: Lexander Morinex Originally by: SencneS However, I would request that things like Freighters, that give Component amounts also break down into minerals. I believe I already did one check run, and I couldn't find any components from reprocessing that could further be broken down. But I might have done that incorrectly. Let me check that again. When you're looking at a Carrier all it gives you is the components. However each of those components can also break down into Minerals. It's missing the "next" - reprocessing - If you where to take all those components and reprocess them, you'd be left with a bunch of minerals. What I think would be good is if you had a carrier, and you reprocess it and reprocess the components what would all the minerals be worth. You see what I'm saying now? Also yes, The Rorqual can dock, sorry for misleadings.
Lexander Morinex Caldari LDD Investments	Posted - 2009.01.09 04:06:00 - [27] Originally by: SencneS When you're looking at a Carrier all it gives you is the components. However each of those components can also break down into Minerals. It's missing the "next" - reprocessing - If you where to take all those components and reprocess them, you'd be left with a bunch of minerals. What I think would be good is if you had a carrier, and you reprocess it and reprocess the components what would all the minerals be worth. You see what I'm saying now? Yes, I understood the concept when first explained. However, I need to check something. The data I have is from the database export, and when I tried the SQL statement, none of the reprocessed components broke down into anything deeper. Since I just did a quick and dirty SQL statement to verify that I could have messed that up. If so, and the capital components can be reprocessed, then that an additional thing I want to add to one of the next two releases. It requires just a recursive search until you get to the 'bottom' components. - Lexander Morinex Also yes, The Rorqual can dock, sorry for misleadings.
Loaby	Posted - 2009.01.09 06:06:00 - [28] dont know if this kind of datais importable, but i¦d like to have an additional column showing the meta level of an item
Lexander Morinex Caldari LDD Investments	Posted - 2009.01.09 06:26:00 - [29] Originally by: Loaby dont know if this kind of datais importable, but i¦d like to have an additional column showing the meta level of an item Loaby, My gut instinct is to call 'Feature Creep' on this one and toss it off the list. However, after a bit of thought I can see how this information would be useful. So, this kind of thing depends on why you want it added. What purpose do you feel it serves for reprocessing? - Lexander Morinex
Loaby	Posted - 2009.01.09 07:05:00 - [30] well, ok, its not a must have feature. for me it would be a nice to have. some items are better reprocessed than selled in empire but i collect some of them for 0.0 sell. to not get misunderstood: i already like that proggy as it is



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