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Decius Magnus
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Posted - 2009.01.01 02:41:00 -
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I keep hearing about mining ops and how they're an opportunity for miners to make money - but I was just wondering if anyone could explain exactly how it works?
I understand the general concept behind it - what I'm unclear on is whether miners get paid at the end a portion of the ore value they mined during the session, or if all ore is usually kept by the corp (so this is basically a regular activity to help keep the corp's coffers full, POS fuelled, etc). |
Kuranta
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.01.01 03:00:00 -
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It simply depends on the copr and / or the op. There is no "right" way per se.
the corp might keep everything, might keep a share, might divide evenly on participants and anything in between.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.01.01 03:01:00 -
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All the miners fleet up and mine together, then usually one makes off with all the ore... usually the hauler 
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Poast Warrior
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2009.01.01 03:46:00 -
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It's one those nights that mysteriously no one in the corp logs on
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Lui Kai
Better Than You
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Posted - 2009.01.01 05:39:00 -
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There are a few different "standard" mining ops.
The most common - everyone mines, the corp buys the minerals from each miner for at or near market value. You make about the same doing this as you would mining solo, it's just more social/less run-around.
Next up would be the socialist mining op - everyone mines, the corp buys the lot of minerals mined at the end, and splits the money evenly between all miners. You make more doing this as opposed to soloing if your mining skills suck, less if they're good.
Finally is the communist mining op - everyone mines, the corp keeps it all, and uses it to further the corp goals. While you don't make anything doing this, if you agree with the higher goals of the corp it can have more meaning than just isk grinding. If you don't agree with the corp's higher goals - or they don't really have higher goals - then you're just doing charity work.
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Cereah
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Posted - 2009.01.01 07:04:00 -
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The one our alliance/corp generally uses is we have someone with an orca and fleet mining bonuses. about 5 or 6 of us will go to a belt or the best is someones mission zone. He will go around and collect the cans.
When he's full we take a break until he comes back so we dont lose the fleet boosters. He pays us out directly. Last time was 9 isk per unit and we were doin veld in a mission zone at the time. Ridiculously easy money.
made about 10 mil or so in a half hour with two account on retrievers.
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G'kek
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Posted - 2009.01.01 07:34:00 -
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I love the break down Lui Kai. My corp favours the Socialist Method... ;)
The idea of a mining op is that working together is more efficient than solo mining. On your own you're limited in the ore you can gather by either not having a large cargo hold, jetcan longevity/saftey from flipping and player saftey (if you're outside lowsec). If you're on your own you have to haul your jetcans back to station every now and then, empty your hold, haul, etc which eats into how efficient your mining is. When you're together, however, and especially with the new Orca (ala a floating jetcan) miners can focus on their job of nomming asteroids whilst other corp members are mobile jetcans, haulers or rat bashers. This division of labour yields more efficency and thus a greater payout for the same time spent.
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Lui Kai
Better Than You
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Posted - 2009.01.01 07:49:00 -
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Edited by: Lui Kai on 01/01/2009 07:51:29
 Originally by: Cereah
...When he's full we take a break until he comes back so we dont lose the fleet boosters....
Er. You're aware that (Amount Mined Without Bonuses) > (Amount Mined With Mining Lasers Off), right? 
Originally by: G'kek
This division of labour yields more efficency and thus a greater payout for the same time spent.
This is true for casual miners or newer players, definitely. But for the "serious" mining soloer out there - it's rare to not have an orca alt on a second account, which by and large negates this.
Though, I guess to be fair, if someone else has an Orca said person could put their Orca pilot into a barge too and improve their income. But somewhere down the line, someone's getting shafted into flying the Orca :p
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2009.01.02 03:33:00 -
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The term Mining Op is a fairly generic term that can be loosely applied to any cooperative effort centered around mining.
A mining op can be as simple as two guys, one guy in a miner and another guy in a hauler on up to a fairly large number of people.
One of the things less emphasized in the above was the presence of combat ships. A large well supported mining op can go into places a smaller one would get all shot up in.
One thing left out of the Communist model mentioned above was the second part. The first part goes - "From Each According to His Ability" - the Second Part goes "To Each According to His Need."
If you belong to a really good bunch of commies ... you get everything you need for free. The Corporation pays for it all. There has to be some discussion about how really big ticket items are allocated but other than that if you want something - you just take it from the Corp Hangar. If you don't have one, then you can ask one of the Corporation Traders to go buy one or one of the Engineers to make one. The problem here ... as with RL Communism is ... trust. If you are playing with a bunch of people you've either known in the Gaming World for a really long time - or whom you know in RL ... then it's not so bad. If you are recruiting outside your relatively permanent contacts - that doesn't work so well. Where acting in bad faith has repercussions for people outside the game (such as if you rob them then they will kick you out of the group and not play with you again - in any game - EVER) you can pretty much trust them. I've got buddies I've been playing games with for over 40 years
... now ...
actually ... there are some guys in that group I wouldn't trust as far as I could throw them ... but then ... I know that - and so does everyone else ... LOL!!! Those guys I would still play with but ... we'd never make them directors!!!
*shrug*
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2009.01.02 04:15:00 -
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Originally by: Lui Kai
Edited by: Lui Kai on 01/01/2009 07:51:29
Originally by: Cereah
...When he's full we take a break until he comes back so we dont lose the fleet boosters....
Er. You're aware that (Amount Mined Without Bonuses) > (Amount Mined With Mining Lasers Off), right?
Originally by: G'kek
This division of labour yields more efficency and thus a greater payout for the same time spent.
This is true for casual miners or newer players, definitely. But for the "serious" mining soloer out there - it's rare to not have an orca alt on a second account, which by and large negates this.
Though, I guess to be fair, if someone else has an Orca said person could put their Orca pilot into a barge too and improve their income. But somewhere down the line, someone's getting shafted into flying the Orca :p
the orca gets v(1/n) where v is the value of minerals, and n is number of people
or you could do it where every thing that he boosts you buy he gets. wee bit over 33% increase in yield from the gang link (-25.88% duration), and 15% increase from the mind link (+15% yield bonus) although that is a bit harder to calculate.
and with 2 pilots I dunno what would be better, 2 hulks, or 1 hulk, 1 orca. from a straight up perspective the 2 hulks, but when you take into account travel time of hauling vs getting gang bonuses.
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G'kek
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Posted - 2009.01.02 08:45:00 -
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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
Originally by: Lui Kai
Edited by: Lui Kai on 01/01/2009 07:51:29
Originally by: Cereah
...When he's full we take a break until he comes back so we dont lose the fleet boosters....
Er. You're aware that (Amount Mined Without Bonuses) > (Amount Mined With Mining Lasers Off), right?
Originally by: G'kek
This division of labour yields more efficency and thus a greater payout for the same time spent.
And all of that is far too complicated - hence Socialist or Communist method is best.
This is true for casual miners or newer players, definitely. But for the "serious" mining soloer out there - it's rare to not have an orca alt on a second account, which by and large negates this.
Though, I guess to be fair, if someone else has an Orca said person could put their Orca pilot into a barge too and improve their income. But somewhere down the line, someone's getting shafted into flying the Orca :p
the orca gets v(1/n) where v is the value of minerals, and n is number of people
or you could do it where every thing that he boosts you buy he gets. wee bit over 33% increase in yield from the gang link (-25.88% duration), and 15% increase from the mind link (+15% yield bonus) although that is a bit harder to calculate.
and with 2 pilots I dunno what would be better, 2 hulks, or 1 hulk, 1 orca. from a straight up perspective the 2 hulks, but when you take into account travel time of hauling vs getting gang bonuses.
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